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Uhm, the UK may not depend on Russian gas, but it also has weapons exports to Russia in significant amounts as well as of course a lot of Russian money in the Finance sector...

But what is really disgusting is this French aircraft carrier deal which Hollande still wants to let go ahead. This should be a no-brainer, even if it costs a billion EUR.

Oh and let's not forget this is not even six months old...


Good point about the weapons exports. I honestly put that down more to Cameron's stupidity and ignorance than to downright hypocrisy. But it's interesting that he at least voiced the need for tougher measures despite this apparent contradiction whereas there has been scarcely a murmur from anyone else, other than the Dutch government whose citizens were the latest victims of Russia's power games!

Ripley makes a good point about Germany's apparently far greater outrage about possible US spying than probable Russian involvement in the deaths of more than 200 citizens from a neighbouring EC country !

So much mealy-mouthed hypocrisy, double standards and cowardice from practically all the main parties. This hardly depicts the EC in any kind of good light to anybody, does it? No wonder Putin always sports a complacent smirk even when he is the one apparently under fire!

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MH17 crash: Dutch experts say numerous objects hit plane

Dutch experts say Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 broke up in mid-air after being hit by "numerous objects" that "pierced the plane at high velocity".

A report released by the Dutch Safety Board said there was "no evidence of technical or human error".

A BBC correspondent says this evidence is consistent with the plane being struck by shrapnel from a missile.

The plane was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur when it crashed in rebel-held territory eastern Ukraine in July.

All 298 people on board, most of them from the Netherlands, died when the plane came down, amid reports it was shot down by pro-Russian rebels.

Dutch aviation investigators relied on information from the black box flight data recorders, air traffic control, satellite images and photos from the scene to compile the preliminary report.

Analysis: Richard Westcott, Transport correspondent

This report doesn't say flight MH17 was knocked from the sky by a missile. But it pretty much rules out anything else.

There were no emergencies on board, no mechanical problems, the pilots didn't make any mistakes.

Instead, it talks about the plane being punctured by "high-velocity objects", which is consistent with how the BUK missile system works (that's the system many suspect was responsible). They don't actually hit the target, they explode nearby and pepper it with shrapnel for maximum damage.

But all of this doesn't answer the critical question. Who fired the missile?

Both sides in this conflict use the same weapon. To find out who made this terrible mistake, they need to determine where on the ground the missile was actually launched from. And one expert told me that they should eventually be able to work that out with a combination of radar data and evidence from the scene.

There is one very sobering fact also highlighted in this report. Three other, very large commercial airliners flew over the same area at around the same time.

Russians 'operated BUK' in MH17 area

Investigators say the cockpit voice recorder "gave no indication that there was anything abnormal" on board
The Dutch team analysed photographs of the wreckage that showed a number of pieces with multiple holes

They said the plane "broke up in the air probably as the result of structural damage caused by a large number of high-velocity objects that penetrated the aircraft from outside."

The cockpit voice recorder revealed no signs of any technical faults or an emergency situation, the experts said.

The investigators have not visited the crash site because of fighting in the area but they said photographic evidence of the wreckage suggests the plane split into pieces during "an in-flight break up".

Maintenance history showed the aircraft was airworthy and had no known technical problems when it took off from Amsterdam, the report added.

Experts said it was manned by "a qualified and experienced crew" and that engines were running normally at 293 knots at 33,000ft (cruise altitude).

Radio communications between the pilot and Ukrainian air traffic control confirm that no emergency call was made.


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