baron-pierreIV Posted September 23, 2015 Report Posted September 23, 2015 That's such bullsh*t announcements. Per the original budget projections, Rio is supposed to get $125 mil for its ceremonies. London ended up spending $128 mil. So, what's $3 million difference? I mean a lot of those samba/Carnaval floats and costumes will probably be taken from already existing floats & costumes. So I don't understand what Mereilles is talking about. Quote
LatinXTC Posted September 23, 2015 Report Posted September 23, 2015 That's such bullsh*t announcements. Per the original budget projections, Rio is supposed to get $125 mil for its ceremonies. London ended up spending $128 mil. So, what's $3 million difference? I mean a lot of those samba/Carnaval floats and costumes will probably be taken from already existing floats & costumes. So I don't understand what Mereilles is talking about. That sounds fishy... Sounds like someone is could be cutting costs to pocket the rest! Quote
luizfernandobr45 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Posted September 23, 2015 Cheap? Rio-2016 estimates almost R$ 200 million to the opening, more than London. rodrigomattos 09/23/2015 06:00 With Vinicius Konchinski When talking about the opening party of the Rio-2016, officers responsible for the ceremony stressed the containment of spending in the face of the economic crisis, and promised much cheaper event than in other games. But in reality, the current estimate is a cost of approximately R$ 190 million, 30% higher than the initial value and larger than London 2012. On Thursday, Andrucha Waddington, one of the directors of the ceremony, said it was a smaller budget than in other Olympics. Another director Fernando Meirelles made a comparison by stating that it would cost ten times less than in London, which would have spent between R$ 350 million and R$ 450 million in its version. Then he rectified and said it was a kick, but the magnitude was there. The kick not even close. The initial budget for the Rio Olympic opening was R$ 147 million in today's values by 2016. The blog found that there was a 30% increase in this value, and the current estimate is around R$ 190 million. The final number is not closed and therefore is not reported. The opening of the Olympics-2012 cost 27 million pounds, according to all local vehicles. With values updated by the British inflation, that means R$ 175 million. So, it spent less than the amount available for the Rio-2016 for now. The cost of all London's parties, joining shutdown, torch relay, etc, was 80 million pounds, R$ 500 million. In the UK, it was public money that bankrolled the party. In Rio, the amount will be funded by the Rio 2016 Committee which has private budget. But the body has had to pass several spending for the federal government as temporary sports venues to fit in its R$ 7.4 billion budget. That is, indirectly, a cost reduction would help the public coffers. To increase the budget of the opening, the Rio-2016 shifted funds that would be used for other events such as the wrap party. So it was maintained the initial value provided to all the ceremonies together. The increased cost of opening occurred by the lighting needs at the Maracana. The roof of the stadium can not take the tons that will be used to light and will need to rely on additional structures. The stadium has other limitations due to the reduced inputs, which forced the directors adaptations ceremony. Meirelles said that with the budget classified as small, you can not have drones and other structures that were thought to opening. "Could not because of the cost. '' The directors generally said they should not expect something with the same sophistication of London. But the amount spent, you can make at least. Tags: opening Olympics Rio 2016 Quote
luizfernandobr45 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Posted September 23, 2015 I read this on UOL website. In my opinion, Meirelles and the other directors are trying to not create so much expectation about the ceremonies. Rosa Magalhães, the director of the Rio-2007 OC is working at the ceremonies. She'll be also responsable for the closing ceremony. When you say you will spend a lot of money, people expect a lot of ceremonies. But when you say you will not spend much money and will make a simple ceremony, people do not expect much and anything else that you do pasa to be something phenomenal. 1 Quote
DannyelBrazil Posted September 23, 2015 Report Posted September 23, 2015 Not only this, in the middle of the biggest economic crisis in Brazil for the last 20 years, anyone saying "I'll expend a lot of money" will be attacked on the media. Meirelles and Waddington just said what the public wants to hear: "we are doing nice things but not wasting money"... 2 Quote
JMarkSnow2012 Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 Cheap? Rio-2016 estimates almost R$ 200 million to the opening, more than London. rodrigomattos 09/23/2015 06:00 On Thursday, Andrucha Waddington, one of the directors of the ceremony, said it was a smaller budget than in other Olympics. Another director Fernando Meirelles made a comparison by stating that it would cost ten times less than in London, which would have spent between R$ 350 million and R$ 450 million in its version. Then he rectified and said it was a kick, but the magnitude was there. The kick not even close. The initial budget for the Rio Olympic opening was R$ 147 million in today's values by 2016. The blog found that there was a 30% increase in this value, and the current estimate is around R$ 190 million. The final number is not closed and therefore is not reported. The word auto-translated as "kick" in that article is "chute" which more generally means "shot"- and colloquially means "so not true I can't believe you fell for it". Quote
Cauê Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 Brazil is not in a party moment today. Our reactionary middle class, with a great level of political illiteracy, is like a Brazilian 'Ku Klux Klan'. The Worst moment in the History of the Brazilian society. Brazil was never violent and fascist like today. The world will see a beautiful party.The chants against Ms Rousseff will be heard during the opening ceremony. This is the song of the Brazilian Ku Klux Klan. But the splendor of the Rio carnival costumes will be unforgettable. Quote
LatinXTC Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 Well I think this is as good as any place to put this... http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/23/investing/mexico-brazil-latin-america-economies/index.html Quote
DannyelBrazil Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 Economy is so cyclical and so rollercoaster in Brazil... I just remember 2002-2003 and 2008-2009 in Brazil. It was the apocalypse at that time... Two years later, Brazil was great again and now apocalypse again... And here we go... (Same is valid for Mexico, does anyone remember the Tequila Effect in the late 90s? - Just imagine Trump winning the elections... Adiós Mexico and NAFTA). Quote
DannyelBrazil Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 BTW, the moment is so crazy that dollar exchange got 4.24 reals at noon and closed as 3.99... Real got strong 25 centavos in just half day... Quote
Durban Sandshark Posted September 25, 2015 Report Posted September 25, 2015 Lately with ceremonies, we've seen strong references to the host nation's literature. Wouldn't expect anything different if it comes to that here with Rio under Meirelles and Magalhaes. Especially when we all know that Paulo Coelho's international smash The Alchemist is what a lot of people outside Brazil know regarding Brazilian literature. Many Brazilians, I come to understand perhaps correctly, are at least a little embarassed by this when they point there's others who are better than Coelho in quality, they say and want others to get global attention too. I'm wondering do you think there's plans for allusions to Brazilian literature? Because we certainly know there's going to be Brazilian music, much Brazilian music in both ceremonies. Quote
DannyelBrazil Posted September 25, 2015 Report Posted September 25, 2015 Coelho for sure won't be mentioned. Our classic literature has to do with Machado de Assis, Guimarães Rosa and others... Coelho is seen as too commercial and empty around the intelectuals here in Brazil. Quote
Cauê Posted September 25, 2015 Report Posted September 25, 2015 Our society is probably one of the most violent and ignorant in the world. If the economic moment is good, the Brazilian government is approved . But if the economic moment is not good, our fascist middle class (in general, white people) wants to see the death of the president. Brazil is not just party and friendly/tolerant people. The problem is not the economy. The main problem in Brazil is our dumb and violent middle class. Quote
DannyelBrazil Posted September 25, 2015 Report Posted September 25, 2015 Cauê, generalisms are dumb, you know that. Quote
Cauê Posted September 25, 2015 Report Posted September 25, 2015 Any sensible person knows the wave of hatred that is consuming our middle class. Brazil is one of the friendliest countries in the world (with foreign people). But Brazil is in one of the worst ideological and social crises. I am not ashamed to say it. The ceremonies will be fantastic. Brazil's reception will be amazing. But the Olympics now are in Rio and the world deserves to better know our country. Not only the natural beauties of Rio, but the real Rio and the real Brazil. But don't worry, Dannyel, we can get back to talking about party and about the cerimonies. Quote
DannyelBrazil Posted September 28, 2015 Report Posted September 28, 2015 Any sensible person knows the wave of hatred that is consuming our middle class. Brazil is one of the friendliest countries in the world (with foreign people). But Brazil is in one of the worst ideological and social crises. I am not ashamed to say it. The ceremonies will be fantastic. Brazil's reception will be amazing. But the Olympics now are in Rio and the world deserves to better know our country. Not only the natural beauties of Rio, but the real Rio and the real Brazil. But don't worry, Dannyel, we can get back to talking about party and about the cerimonies. I just said generalisms are dumb. Don't put all the middle class in the same box. About ideologies and protests, yes, President Dilma will be booed in the Opening Ceremony, and thankfully, people are free to boo their politicians if they want... 2 Quote
Nacholympic Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 Rio 2016 Ceremonies to cost 1/10 of 4 years ago London ceremonies... Creativity, not luxury is the topic for the first Olympics ceremonies ever to be held in South America http://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-sports/low-budget-forecast-for-rios-2016-olympic-opening-ceremony/ According to the director of the ceremonies, who was the director of the Oscar-nominated movie "City of God", the low budget won't be a problem for their creavity... Taking in consideration the luxuriois ceremonies held in Beijing or Sochi .... Are Rio ceremonies to fade out what host cities have made so far? Do you think a huge budget is necesary for a spectacular ceremony??? May the Rio ceremonies bring back the old ways to make ceremonies ... more "human" not technological.... Remember, the cost of Barcelona ceremonies was 11 millions of dolar (9 million is the estimated for Rio's) and they are still remembered as one of the best of all times... What do you thin about.... What do you expect, then, after this announcement???? Are Olympic ceremonies taeking a new road, after the over spent of Sochi or Beijing?.... Are, then, the regional Games (Pan Am Games, European Games, Asian Games) ceremonies going to be even more anticipated than the Olympic ones themselves??? Quote
LatinXTC Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 As I mentioned before, it only costs much less because you CAN'T have a ceremony like London, Beijing or Sochi because those stadiums were built from scratch and they were designed to accommodate an opening ceremony of Olympic proportions. The Maracana wasn't designed for anything other than a football stadium, and as reports have shown on here it's had its ups and downs as far as renovations are concerned for it to be able to hold the Olympic ceremonies. If they gave us an OC similar to what we saw in Barcelona and Atlanta with not a lot of excessive aerial acrobatics or things popping out from under the floor and it cost more than half of what London's cost, I would question where all that money actually went to. But if Rio decided to make the Joao Havelange stadium the location of not just the athletics stadium, but also the ceremonies, you better believe their ceremony would have cost as much as London's, if not more. I honestly think they should have done that instead of trying to upgrade the severely outdated Maracana. Leave it to host soccer matches, but not something far more grand like the Olympic opening ceremonies. Quote
DannyelBrazil Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 Rio 2016 Ceremonies to cost 1/10 of 4 years ago London ceremonies... Creativity, not luxury is the topic for the first Olympics ceremonies ever to be held in South America http://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-sports/low-budget-forecast-for-rios-2016-olympic-opening-ceremony/ According to the director of the ceremonies, who was the director of the Oscar-nominated movie "City of God", the low budget won't be a problem for their creavity... Taking in consideration the luxuriois ceremonies held in Beijing or Sochi .... Are Rio ceremonies to fade out what host cities have made so far? Do you think a huge budget is necesary for a spectacular ceremony??? May the Rio ceremonies bring back the old ways to make ceremonies ... more "human" not technological.... Remember, the cost of Barcelona ceremonies was 11 millions of dolar (9 million is the estimated for Rio's) and they are still remembered as one of the best of all times... What do you thin about.... What do you expect, then, after this announcement???? Are Olympic ceremonies taeking a new road, after the over spent of Sochi or Beijing?.... Are, then, the regional Games (Pan Am Games, European Games, Asian Games) ceremonies going to be even more anticipated than the Olympic ones themselves??? Already pointed before in this same thread that Meirelles and Waddington commited mistake (or decided to appear as concerned citizens in the middle of a economic downturn) by saying the values and the ceremonies will cost 10% less than London's ceremonies 4 years ago. As I mentioned before, it only costs much less because you CAN'T have a ceremony like London, Beijing or Sochi because those stadiums were built from scratch and they were designed to accommodate an opening ceremony of Olympic proportions. The Maracana wasn't designed for anything other than a football stadium, and as reports have shown on here it's had its ups and downs as far as renovations are concerned for it to be able to hold the Olympic ceremonies. If they gave us an OC similar to what we saw in Barcelona and Atlanta with not a lot of excessive aerial acrobatics or things popping out from under the floor and it cost more than half of what London's cost, I would question where all that money actually went to. But if Rio decided to make the Joao Havelange stadium the location of not just the athletics stadium, but also the ceremonies, you better believe their ceremony would have cost as much as London's, if not more. I honestly think they should have done that instead of trying to upgrade the severely outdated Maracana. Leave it to host soccer matches, but not something far more grand like the Olympic opening ceremonies. The former "João Havelange" and now Nilton Santos Stadium or simply Engenhão as it is known in Rio could not use the roof for the structure as much as Maracanã - This is the biggest problem about the ceremonies in the "outdated" stadium... Quote
Cambiasca Posted October 6, 2015 Report Posted October 6, 2015 http://blogs.oglobo.globo.com/radar-olimpico/post/comite-rio-2016-divulga-tempo-de-duracao-da-abertura.html Vai durar 3h 37 minutos a festa de abertura dos Jogos de 2016. A cerimônia do dia 5 de agosto, que começa pontualmente às 20h no Maracanã, receberá a entrada das delegações de atletas a partir da 20h40, de acordo com detalhes divulgados hoje pela organização da Olimpíada durante o briefing mundial de imprensa, que teve início nesta segunda-feira no Copacabana Palace.Entre os conceitos que vão nortear a cerimônia, que promete uma "profunda conexão musical" com as encenações e performances, estão palavras como "humano", "otimismo" e "festa". Como já se sabia, os ensaios serão no estádio de Moça Bonita, em Bangu, na Zona Oeste do Rio.Os cineastas Fernando Meirelles e Andrucha Waddington, a cenógrafa Daniela Thomas e a carnavalesca Rosa Magalhães vão dirigir o espetáculo. Rio 2016 OC will last 3h37minutes, starting at 20:00 Brasília time. 40 minutes later, the parade of the nations. After that, there will be perfomances with a "deep musical connection" which will be based on the words "human, optimism and party" as it is said this Monday during a press briefing reported by "O Globo". 1 Quote
Cambiasca Posted October 6, 2015 Report Posted October 6, 2015 Any sensible person knows the wave of hatred that is consuming our middle class. Cauê, I belong to the middle class and I'm not going to watch personally any competition because it´s time to save money. No, there is no such a 'wave of hatred', as you said, consuming the Brazilian middle class. There is a tremendous indignation that permeates all our people, regardless the economic classes citizens belong to. This outrage comes from knowing the dreadful corrupt system mounted by the parties that form the ruling coalition, notably that one of Mme Rousseff, President of the republic, as a way to perpetuate themselves in the power at the expense of the suffering of our people. Quote
Ikarus360 Posted October 6, 2015 Report Posted October 6, 2015 Well, at least they´re telling us beforehand to lower our expectations. You know things are REALLY bad in Brazil when they do this dramatic cut to the ceremonies budget. I know ceremonies are not everything in an olympics, but if there was someone whom i expected a more innovative rather than luxurious ceremony that would had been Tokyo (knowing how they do rather simplistic ceremonies), not Rio. Also when they say "deep musical connection", i really hope they don't turn the opening onto a concert *still has bad memories of Guadalajara 2011* Quote
JMarkSnow2012 Posted October 6, 2015 Report Posted October 6, 2015 http://blogs.oglobo.globo.com/radar-olimpico/post/comite-rio-2016-divulga-tempo-de-duracao-da-abertura.html Vai durar 3h 37 minutos a festa de abertura dos Jogos de 2016. A cerimônia do dia 5 de agosto, que começa pontualmente às 20h no Maracanã, receberá a entrada das delegações de atletas a partir da 20h40, Rio 2016 OC will last 3h37minutes, starting at 20:00 Brasília time. 40 minutes later, the parade of the nations. Looks like we'll be having a sweepstake on how long it overruns- 29 minutes anybody? The punctual 8pm start time suggests that they may get the entry of the President and the other President, and the national flag raising, in at the start (after the now-traditional introductory video), before commencing the first portion of the cultural presentation at 20:16. 1 Quote
adrianme17 Posted October 6, 2015 Report Posted October 6, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/34450535 BBC saying that the budget has been cut across the board and the ceremonies have been targeted to make savings . Am sure they will be great ceremonies whatever! Quote
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