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King Juan Carlos of Spain has today announced his abdication. He will be succeeded by his son, who will become King Felipe VI and his wife Queen Letizia

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Probably not the best moment to abdicate, considering the current crisis in Spain plus the Catalonian referendum for independence. The fact thousands have gathered demanding to end the monarchic system seems to support my fears.

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I dunno...He considers himself part of the problem, so the news on the wires are saying. With a low level corruption scandal surrounding him, I'm just wondering if it was going to blow up in his face soon? Saving the reborn monarchy and stability?

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Probably not the best moment to abdicate, considering the current crisis in Spain plus the Catalonian referendum for independence. The fact thousands have gathered demanding to end the monarchic system seems to support my fears.

passing it to a younger generation seems to be the last line of defense for struggling monarchies these days. in olden times they'd just break out the storm troopers and start oppressing a la bahrain, but i guess the recent round of budget cuts have put the brakes on even that.

poor JC. he gives the people democracy and has to abdicate before they use it to kick him out.

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Is anyone else really surprised? Tensions have been high in Spain for years, it seems that it's staring to reach a climax and this was bound to happen.

I have a feeling that Filipe is going to be the one who takes the crap and eventually closes the lights on the monarchy...I'm calling that Csar Putin will join them in due time...

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Is anyone else really surprised? Tensions have been high in Spain for years, it seems that it's staring to reach a climax and this was bound to happen.

I have a feeling that Filipe is going to be the one who takes the crap and eventually closes the lights on the monarchy...I'm calling that Csar Putin will join them in due time...

I disagree

Crown Prince Felipe and his wife Princess Letizia has the best ratings and feeling of all the Spanish royals atm. Whatever people think of Juan Carlos, he helped to stabalise Spain after Franco's death.

As King, Felipe could have the same effect post financial crisis, and being young and popular, could be what the Spanish Monarchy needs to survive. It is the same effect that alot of people think William and Kate are having for the British Monarchy.

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The Brits are too traditionalist, there hasn't been a serious threat to the throne in a 100 years.

Spain, and the Spanish government could, because of the lack of a succession mechanism, put succession and the existence of the monarchy to a referendum. I have watched the Euskadi separatist movement for about a decade now. The open discussion of Euskadi independence (and that of Catalonia) was unthinkable at the level it is at now 10 years ago. Spain is in a very delicate situation right now, and its unfortunate that Juan Carlos has been brought down by the poor judgement and underhandedness of his daughter and himself.

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I think respecting the tradition of the monarchy in the national life is only part of the picture in the UK. Ultimately having a politician as head of state just doesn't float many Brits' boats either. I think King Juan has done a fantastic job providing the stability that Spain needed in the transition to democracy. I don't think most people on here realise that Spain was a backward facist state until the mid 1970's. The fact he was non political made all the difference IMO and provided the right balance of power that allowed Spain's fledgling democracy to grow and mature into the modern European country we see today.

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The Brits are too traditionalist, there hasn't been a serious threat to the throne in a 100 years.

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The open discussion of Euskadi independence (and that of Catalonia) was unthinkable at the level it is at now 10 years ago.

Don't forget the upcoming vote on Neo-Eisimeileachd na h-Alba, just a few weeks after the Commonwealth Games in Glaschu.

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The plan is for the queen to remain the head of state in Scotland even if it votes for independence... principally because most Scots can't bear the thought of Alex Salmon (first minister) becoming the head of state..

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The British monarchy has been stable since Victoria, and has a responsibility beyond UK. Also it is a powerful "Brand" on it's own.

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Didn't Spain's neutrality during World War II prevent Franco from suffering the same fate as Hitler and Mussolini?

Spain was bankrupt and exhausted. Simply wouldn't be of any help to Hitler, also Franco didn't trust the Fuhrer with his racist attitude. He wanted Franco to take out Gibraltar but wouldn't help with German troops. Franco also had smarts and was aware that he still had a dissatisfied and split nation...the last thing he needed was a restart of the war, and when America entered he knew it was a matter of when Germany would collapse and more so when the Soviet Union started to repell the German invasion. As the final years of the war swung well in the Allies favour he also knew to side with the Western Allies as communism would be a player post war.

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The British monarchy has been stable since Victoria, and has a responsibility beyond UK. Also it is a powerful "Brand" on it's own.

I would say the last time the monarchy was under threat was in late 1914 and early 1915 when the possibility of Germany winning the War was strong. A British defeat/withdrawal after a French defeat would have brought on and intensified the social and political unrest that was an undercurrent in Britain and the whole of Europe at the time. Worth noting though that the British aristocracy was by far the most liberal and progressive in its time and out of the 7 primary alliance members, is the only one that remains a monarchy.

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The British monarchy survived because Britain was and is a democracy and the monarch has theoretical power that it shares with Parliament. The Tsar and Kaiser were autocrats and so the public had no part to play in the decision to go to war and when they withdrew and lost the monarch was the obvious and justified fall-guy. Had the UK lost the war the blame would have been shared between parliament and the monarch and its difficult to say if the monarchy would have survived. At times of national crisis people are as likely to grab onto things that are traditional and provide stability.

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The British monarchy survived because Britain was and is a democracy and the monarch has theoretical power that it shares with Parliament. The Tsar and Kaiser were autocrats and so the public had no part to play in the decision to go to war and when they withdrew and lost the monarch was the obvious and justified fall-guy. Had the UK lost the war the blame would have been shared between parliament and the monarch and its difficult to say if the monarchy would have survived. At times of national crisis people are as likely to grab onto things that are traditional and provide stability.

spain is a good exception, but historically monarchies have not benefited from that trend on the whole. see: greece, bulgaria, romania, hungary, italy... maybe the phrase "provide stability" is the key, although i don't know if france's succession of republics have been any more stable than its succession of monarchies.

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spain is a good exception, but historically monarchies have not benefited from that trend on the whole. see: greece, bulgaria, romania, hungary, italy... maybe the phrase "provide stability" is the key, although i don't know if france's succession of republics have been any more stable than its succession of monarchies.

Some of your examples can also be explained by transplant Monarchs, mostly from German princely lines. France is an interesting example. People seem to forget how deeply divided France was before 1914. You could just argue that the succession of Republics and monarchies just helped change and define French democracy, just like the successive amendments to the US Constitution has developed, refined and produced a stronger more 'vibrant' democracy.

Juan Carlos succeeded because, for the most part, he was apolitical. A person for all Spain. Just as the Belgian Monarchy is a source of stability and unification between Wallonia and Flanders.

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Monarchy means stability...Had one of those stupid live TV debates here in NZ a few years ago re Republic v Crown. No sh#t the studio audience nearly started fighting each other with all the factions on the Republican side fracturing into groups with issues. The nationwide txt voting ended up 80% in favour of the status quo - monarchy!

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The plan is for the queen to remain the head of state in Scotland even if it votes for independence... principally because most Scots can't bear the thought of Alex Salmon (first minister) becoming the head of state..

and they'll keep the bbc and they wanted to keep the pound. it basically a divorce from Westminster than an actual independence

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The British monarchy has been stable since Victoria, and has a responsibility beyond UK. Also it is a powerful "Brand" on it's own.

well there was one time when king edward wanted to marry a commoner divorcee.

and if prince Charles gets the throne......

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spain is a good exception, but historically monarchies have not benefited from that trend on the whole. see: greece, bulgaria, romania, hungary, italy... maybe the phrase "provide stability" is the key, although i don't know if france's succession of republics have been any more stable than its succession of monarchies.

Well didn't France have a technical monarchy until the late 1850's?

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Large majority of Spain’s MPs back abdication of King Juan Carlos

A large majority of Spain’s MPs have backed a bill formalising the abdication of King Juan Carlos.

Both the ruling centre-right People’s Party and the opposition Socialist party supported the bill and agreed to the accession of his son Crown Prince Felipe.

Jesús Posada, President of the Spanish Parliament, announced the outcome of the vote.

“The law supporting the abdication of His Royal Highness King Don Juan Carlos, the Premier of Bourbon, has been approved and will immediately be submitted to the Senate,” he said.

The bill was passed in Congress by 299 votes in favour to 19 against, while 23 MPs abstained from voting.

According to the Spanish government, the transition will need to be approved by parliament as it will require a change to the 1978 constitution.

Although Wednesday’s vote focused purely on the formalities of the abdication, for some it raised broader questions about Spain’s constitutional future.

Prince Felipe will take the reins at a tricky time. His father’s abdication has provoked calls for a referendum on the monarchy.

However, on Wednesday both Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy and Socialist leader Alfredo Rubalcaba reaffirmed their loyalty to the monarchy and the constitution.

http://www.euronews.com/2014/06/11/large-majority-of-spain-s-mps-back-the-abdication-of-king-juan-carlos/

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