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I think if LA position themselves as an international games while keeping it humble, they have a good chance of winning the bid.

For 2024? Not against Paris they don't. Going forward, yes. They have history though, so it's not like they have all that much to prove. The big thing IMO is that they need to differentiate themselves from the `84 games. They just need to show they're offering something different than the last time around, successful as that was. They do that up against the right competition and they can win it.

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For 2024? Not against Paris they don't. Going forward, yes. They have history though, so it's not like they have all that much to prove. The big thing IMO is that they need to differentiate themselves from the `84 games. They just need to show they're offering something different than the last time around, successful as that was. They do that up against the right competition and they can win it.

You said it better then I could! The more they differentiate themselves from 84, America and commercialism the better the chance they have at winning.

Like they're not gonna have great odds if they call their bid the oLAmpics, cover the hall in red white and blue while giving everyone flashbacks on how their velodrome was called the 7-11 Velodrome all from the mouth of Donald Trump are they now.

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Like they're not gonna have great odds if they call their bid the oLAmpics, cover the hall in red white and blue while giving everyone flashbacks on how their velodrome was called the 7-11 Velodrome all from the mouth of Donald Trump are they now.

No $hit they wouldn't have great odds if they did that. But they're not going to do that. They're not stupid or lame enough to do something tacky like that. I think they'll be smart enough to focus on what they have, not create a message that's a cheesy come-on to the USOC or the IOC. It's easy to forget a lot of facilities and venues have been built in the LA area since the `84 games. If they can come up with a good venue concept (and seems like they have that for 2024), that's what they'll play up. And that's what could win it for them.. again, depending on what cities/countries they're up against.

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But the big elephant in the room is that 2024 would be a 3rd Olympics outside of Europe...and that has NOT happened yet. What the USOC forgot is that just as every 3rd summer Olympics must go to Europe, the IOC is always willing to give a Winter Games to the USA every 20 years. Look, they even forgave the US after the Denver debacle by going right back to Lake Placid 1980.

The current Band of Bozos calling themselves the USOC Board forgot that and are trying to over-reach the unspoken agreement of awarding Olympic hosting duties. And look where that's gotten them. What a bunch of saps.

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But the big elephant in the room is that 2024 would be a 3rd Olympics outside of Europe...and that has NOT happened yet. What the USOC forgot is that just as every 3rd summer Olympics must go to Europe, the IOC is always willing to give a Winter Games to the USA every 20 years. Look, they even forgave the US after the Denver debacle by going right back to Lake Placid 1980.

The current Band of Bozos calling themselves the USOC Board forgot that and are trying to over-reach the unspoken agreement of awarding Olympic hosting duties. And look where that's gotten them. What a bunch of saps.

You know what else hadn't happened yet until 2 weeks ago? Consecutive Winter Olympics in Asia. But now it happened. Eventually, there's probably going to come a time where there are 3 consecutive Olympics outside of Europe. No, I don't think 2024 will be it. Trends are not an unspoken agreement. There's no secret handshakes where the 2024 Summer Olympics are destined to wind up in Europe. It's probably going to happen that way, but that's because that's where they're going to feel like going, particularly if the option of a solid European city is there. What about if there was a decent South Africa bid out there for 2024? They could have given the IOC a good argument to go 3 straight outside of Europe.

Again, hindsight is 20/20. The U.S. could have put in a bid for 2022 (which likely would have been Salt Lake) and won. But no chance would they have beaten out an Oslo or a Stockholm or even your preferred choice of Krakow. But would another Winter Olympics in the US have done more for their cause than going after a Summer Olympics? Yes, they're more expensive. Yes, there's more competition so it's harder to get. Doesn't mean they should go the easy route for the sake of going the easy route. The USOC has made a couple of bad decisions recently. Pursuing a Summer Olympics over a Winter Olympics is hardly one of them.

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. What about if there was a decent South Africa bid out there for 2024? They could have given the IOC a good argument to go 3 straight outside of Europe.

Except there isn't. So even the universe is keeping these things at bay because there is an order to how these Olympic Games are awarded...and the USOC just cocked it up -- i.e., the two Consecutive Asian Winter Games would NOT HAVE happened had the dumb USOC not tried to be too ambitious and FAILED miserably.

Doesn't mean they should go the easy route for the sake of going the easy route. The USOC has made a couple of bad decisions recently. Pursuing a Summer Olympics over a Winter Olympics is hardly one of them.

As I said, look where it got them. Such damned fools.

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Yes, I agree, I think it's OK to have 3 SOG outisde Europe, but not when the parallel 3 WOG are also outside Europe: Sotchi 2014, Rio 2016, Pyeongchang 2018, Tokyo 2020, Beijing 2022...That would mean, by 2024, 12 years without ANY Olympics in Europe (yep, the YOG don't count). That is exactly why so many European cities are going for 2024. And I do think Hamburg is quite a threat...LA could be as well, but against Paris, no.

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And in the USOC's desire just to have a SOG in its pocket, will have LA shoot blanks until it hits the mark for 2032. And they had what? 30 City Halls in a tizzy for 2 years-- just to dance to their tune? I'd like to see some group sue the USOC for all the wasted City Hall time they've put the cities through just to circle back to one they could've picked right from the start. (Sorry, as you can tell, I am really pissed by the inexcusable stupidity of the USOC. I hope heads roll after September 2017!!)

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^Russia is considered Europe in the eyes of the IOC.

Oops. True. Then...10 years without Games in Europe. I can already hear the ones saying that it's the same for the US. But let me remind you once again that, the US is a country, Europe is not. And since we are talking in terms of "according the IOC", Europe is 50 countries (50 countries particpated in the European Games).

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That's nothing... Vladivostock and Port Arthur are very 'European" cities even though they are in the Far East. Israel is technically Asia, but because of political realities in that region, she is grouped with Europe -- so Sochi is considered to be part of European Russia. If Vladi-baby says it is, who are you to disagree???

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That's nothing... Vladivostock and Port Arthur are very 'European" cities even though they are in the Far East. Israel is technically Asia, but because of political realities in that region, she is grouped with Europe -- so Sochi is considered to be part of European Russia. If Vladi-baby says it is, who are you to disagree???

Exactly - & if Baku-koo can call themselves 'European' & hosted the "European Games", then Sochi is definitely European.

Without a solid Paris bid, I don't think the other European bids (Hamburg, Budapest and Rome) would have beaten out Toronto or Los Angeles for the 2024 Olympics.

I wouldn't so easily underestimate a solid German bid either though. Even without Paris in the picture, I still say geopolitically, Europe is a favorite due to the fact of the debacle that was the 2022 Winter race, Asia's unprecendented three consecutive Games & the fact that Europe hasn't gone more than two cycles without a Summer Olympics. Yeah, it's plausible that it can happen, but only in the circumstance that the IOC wouldn't have any other credible options coming from there. Germany & even Italy (in it's current state) don't fall in that category. It's not like we're talking about only Hungary & Azerbaijan here.

Germany is Europe's financial powerhouse & a sporting prowess at the Summer Olympics & hasn't hosted a Games since the last time both the U.S. & Canada have. I also wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Rome either. Yeah, they have financial issues, but CONI is still very much influential within the IOC. A repeat L.A. host bid & a Toroto bid would still have a fight on their hands, regardless. Not to mention among one another.

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Except there isn't. So even the universe is keeping these things at bay because there is an order to how these Olympic Games are awarded...and the USOC just cocked it up -- i.e., the two Consecutive Asian Winter Games would NOT HAVE happened had the dumb USOC not tried to be too ambitious and FAILED miserably.

As I said, look where it got them. Such damned fools.

If there was an order, we wouldn't have 2022. And no, the USOC didn't cock it up. All those cities/countries in Europe that showed interest and then told the IOC to go screw themselves did. It's easy to say, in August of 2015, that the USOC missed an opportunity. I sincerely doubt you would have said that (okay, maybe you would have, but we know your feelings about Summer vs. Winter) back in the summer of 2013 when the USOC would have needed to submit their bid. Let alone a year earlier when they would have needed to start vetting out candidate cities and they couldn't have done anything before then because of the revenue deal. It was not ambition that held the USOC back from bidding for the 2022 Olympics, nor is it a failure on their part not to foresee the future. Don't look at the aftermath of Boston and try to rewrite what should have happened based on the outcome.

And in the USOC's desire just to have a SOG in its pocket, will have LA shoot blanks until it hits the mark for 2032. And they had what? 30 City Halls in a tizzy for 2 years-- just to dance to their tune? I'd like to see some group sue the USOC for all the wasted City Hall time they've put the cities through just to circle back to one they could've picked right from the start. (Sorry, as you can tell, I am really pissed by the inexcusable stupidity of the USOC. I hope heads roll after September 2017!!)

Oh please. 30 City Halls in a tizzy? Hardly. Most of those 35 cities had little to no interest. Some cities like Chicago told the IOC they weren't interested from day one. Other cities like New York just ignored them and couldn't have care less. Those that did choose to dance to the USOC's tune did so willingly. What basis do they have to sue the USOC? They chose to play their game. They chose to put their time and energy knowing that the USOC may not pick them in the end. Easy for any of us to say LA should have been the pick from the start. But good for the USOC that they did their due diligence to pick a city - and in a process that didn't involve open bidding - even if the end result was inexcusably stupid. Again, don't knock the process because of the end result. No question they're idiots for choosing Boston. But going with LA and not giving anyone else a chance from the start hardly would have been a smart decision either.

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LA may be North Americas main bid now. Toronto's opposition is build traction and their website (NoTO2024.ca) isn't filled with crap like Boston. Remember 61% is just after a pan am games and the number's only gonna drop.

Completely agree. I also think when Boston was the US choice Toronto thought they had a better shot. However, up against LA, even if North America doesn't win the Games Toronto would not do well to gain attention to theirs.

Personally I think when the USOC makes LA official I think Toronto will cancel it's plans to bid.

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..just happened to come across this:

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150813/us--urine-repelling_walls-a9261e5cbe.html

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) Public urination has gotten so bad in San Francisco that the city has painted nine walls with a repellant paint that makes pee spray back on the offender.

It's the latest effort to address a chronic problem in a city where the public works director calls himself Mr. Clean: Walls are coated with a clear, liquid repellant material that goes on much like paint. Hit with urine, it splashes back on a person's shoes and pants.

...more at link

What the article doesn't say was that apparently SF got the idea from none other than Olympic hopeful Hamburg. They've done sth like this in the (in)famous St Pauli district a while ago (CAF, correct me, if I'm wrong).

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Completely agree. I also think when Boston was the US choice Toronto thought they had a better shot. However, up against LA, even if North America doesn't win the Games Toronto would not do well to gain attention to theirs.

Personally I think when the USOC makes LA official I think Toronto will cancel it's plans to bid.

I don't think there was significant talk about Toronto as possibility until around the time of the Pan Ams, which also coincided with the demise of Boston's bid. Was there some talk, sure, but Toronto is one of those cities that always seems to toy with the idea for a while - or at least has every Olympic cycle since the 90's. It was only around the time of the Pan Ams that the talk and speculation became more firm. I still think they'll hold out, and it would be wise for them to do so. I'm sure the IOC would choose a solid bid from an American city over Toronto, primarily because it has to prime the US money pump, and Canada recently hosted Vancouver 2010.

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I don't think there was significant talk about Toronto as possibility until around the time of the Pan Ams, which also coincided with the demise of Boston's bid. Was there some talk, sure, but Toronto is one of those cities that always seems to toy with the idea for a while - or at least has every Olympic cycle since the 90's. It was only around the time of the Pan Ams that the talk and speculation became more firm. I still think they'll hold out, and it would be wise for them to do so. I'm sure the IOC would choose a solid bid from an American city over Toronto, primarily because it has to prime the US money pump, and Canada recently hosted Vancouver 2010.

I'd at least wait to see if LA is viable and won't implode like the Boston bid.

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Completely agree. I also think when Boston was the US choice Toronto thought they had a better shot. However, up against LA, even if North America doesn't win the Games Toronto would not do well to gain attention to theirs.

Personally I think when the USOC makes LA official I think Toronto will cancel it's plans to bid.

I personally don't think LA would be much competition, Paris meanwhile is. Unless Paris has an epic meltdown, neither LA or Toronto will get it, but if it becomes a North American race, Toronto will come out on top. LA will probably go on the first round.

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LA may be North Americas main bid now. Toronto's opposition is build traction and their website (NoTO2024.ca) isn't filled with crap like Boston. Remember 61% is just after a pan am games and the number's only gonna drop.

That protest website has hardly any traffic. I used web analytic tools to figure it out, it's clear the people running it are amateurs, probably managed by someone who posts on this website (david hind-smith, the tech guy who runs it is probably MisterSG1, the resident anti-Toronto olympic troll) as I haven't even heard about these guys in the local media. lol

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Completely agree. I also think when Boston was the US choice Toronto thought they had a better shot. However, up against LA, even if North America doesn't win the Games Toronto would not do well to gain attention to theirs.

Personally I think when the USOC makes LA official I think Toronto will cancel it's plans to bid.

You really think Toronto is going to pull a 180 based on LA? Not a chance. Whether or not Toronto bids will have nothing to do with who the competition is. Toronto's desire to bid came from the Pan Am games, not - as we joke about but there probably isn't that much truth to - because they saw Boston's bid falling apart and saw an opportunity. And consider their odds haven't really changed that much since Paris' status hasn't changed, is it really that significant for them that the USOC went from Boston to LA? Not really. If Toronto cancels their plans to bid, that decision will have little if anything to do with what the USOC is doing.

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