FYI Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 It'll be back on topic next time some new news is posted. It's not like this is the first thread to drift off topic in the history of GB You're absolutely right. But considering how some people around here like to bitch, whine & moan about "topic drift", it's still worth pointing out to those people, that this is an all too common occurance here on Gamesbids. :-P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.bernham Posted August 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 So...how do you guys think Ferguson will effect any US bids? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Not at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khouseman1986 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 I don't it will have any effect on the prospect of a us bid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 I agree that it won't register at all, as far as a U.S. bid is concerned. That's really more of a general off-topic discussion than anything else. And kinda a bit surprised that no one brought it up over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 (edited) The Warriors have released a sketch of the plans for their new arena. They're no longer targeting the pier but rather are looking at land in the Mission Bay neighborhood. And it's funny because I've been saying that the Coliseum is a really crappy stadium (literally.. for those who have heard the stories, they've had more than a couple of issues with plumbing and sewage) and then here's the initial design for the new arena.. So is this is what gets built, if people say the place is a giant toilet, they also mean that somewhat literally It would've been too obvious by the Bay. Gee, I hope it's at least the Low-Flow model. But that's just a very preliminary rendering -- and it's their first study of how to site the main bldg and the other pieces in the parcel. Knowing SF, a final design will probably need a lot of UCSF (their primary neighbor) input, where parking access and egress routes would be, etc., etc. , before they come up with anything final. Edited August 21, 2014 by baron-pierreIV 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooter133 Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 While this new arena won't have the glass wall with views of the bay like the former site, at least this one is 100% privately financed. In today's sports climate, that extremely rare (and refreshing). This isn't specific to an Olympic bid, but since it involves San Francisco which is still in the running for the USOC's nod for 2024.. The Warriors have released a sketch of the plans for their new arena. They're no longer targeting the pier but rather are looking at land in the Mission Bay neighborhood. And it's funny because I've been saying that the Coliseum is a really crappy stadium (literally.. for those who have heard the stories, they've had more than a couple of issues with plumbing and sewage) and then here's the initial design for the new arena.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khouseman1986 Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts or ideas when Boston DC and San Francisco might announce/release there proposals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts or ideas when Boston DC and San Francisco might announce/release there proposals Not when.. if 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.bernham Posted August 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Not when.. if I doubt we will ever see anything from San Francisco or DC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khouseman1986 Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 I know that Boston is planning to release stuff after a 3d model of the city is finished I also heard mayor Walsh state that they have to release some sort of proposal by November 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.bernham Posted August 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I know that Boston is planning to release stuff after a 3d model of the city is finished I also heard mayor Walsh state that they have to release some sort of proposal by November 15 Oh goody! Looks like Boston is thinking hard about this bid and I wish them the best of luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I doubt we will ever see anything from San Francisco or DC. I thought that you were so convinced that Washington DC was going to come out with some spectacular, revitalization plan. What made you finally see the light that's not very likely to be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khouseman1986 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I think the leadership of the boston bid commitee is looking for possible ways of giving usoc two options option 1 traditional olympic park and clustered events option 2 spread out olympics that large areas of the city Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khouseman1986 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 i have noticed that the people that say LA is going to be the us bid havent looked at the things massachusetts is doing and planning to do regardless of the Olympics coming to boston 1 green line extension 2 a long needed replacement of MBTA subway vehicles IE orange line and half of red line 3 south coast rail which would commuter extend service from the Boston area to the southeastern coast 4 expansions of south station 5 expansion of BCEC which is the Boston Convention and there's more stuff the state is spending 13 billion over 5 years on transit and infrastructure project that are long over due and as the head of the Boston has said the only state/city spending that's going to happened for the Olympics is stuff that's already in the pipeline or being planned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woohooitsme83 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 i have noticed that the people that say LA is going to be the us bid havent looked at the things massachusetts is doing and planning to do regardless of the Olympics coming to boston 1 green line extension 2 a long needed replacement of MBTA subway vehicles IE orange line and half of red line 3 south coast rail which would commuter extend service from the Boston area to the southeastern coast 4 expansions of south station 5 expansion of BCEC which is the Boston Convention and there's more stuff the state is spending 13 billion over 5 years on transit and infrastructure project that are long over due and as the head of the Boston has said the only state/city spending that's going to happened for the Olympics is stuff that's already in the pipeline or being planned And you think LA/California isn't doing that? 4 New Metro Rail Expansions/Lines are in the works or finalizing their plans New rail cars shipped straight from Japan with a fresh new paintjobs Metrolink improvement/expansion (thanks to the new Cap & Trade Funds by the CA gov) new Cap & Trade Funds by the CA gov that will provide millions to transit improvesments or construction (including buses, HSR, etc) Revitalization of stations New art to stations Major overhaul to Union Station APM (automated people mover) to LAX Several new planned lines A statewide bullet train network Airport-wide renovation/modernization New Intermodal Transportation Facility (via APM) New centralized Consolidated Rental Car Facility (via APM & Metro Green Line & Metro Crenshaw Line) New (and very fancy) Station to serve the APM, Green Line, and Crenshaw line Revitalization of the LA river (not really transit related, but still important) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khouseman1986 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 no what im saying it isnt proper that leading members of this message think that this is just for show and la has won Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.bernham Posted August 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 no what im saying it isnt proper that leading members of this message think that this is just for show and la has won At this point LA is the best bid, we have not seen anything from the other three cities. LA on the other hand has given us an idea of what they have in mind and that idea is genius. Until Boston shows us something the best we can do is guess, and from the guessing LA still seems to be the stronger bid. From renovating a treasured Olympic Stadium (hosted two of the most important games in history) to revitalizing a lost river. LA not only offers something to the Olympic movement BUT to the city itself. I thought that you were so convinced that Washington DC was going to come out with some spectacular, revitalization plan. What made you finally see the light that's not very likely to be the case. Well I hoped...then I realized that it was unrealistic. DC is like SF, sounds nice in theory but can not be executed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 no what im saying it isnt proper that leading members of this message think that this is just for show and la has won We're not exactly big on 'proper' on this forum, as you may have noticed. But perhaps it says something that leader members of this message think that LA has won. So yes, Boston has some infrastructure projects in the works. I think you'd find that to be true of almost any big city in the United States. The Olympics still requires, among other things, a large scale stadium capable of hosting the Ceremonies as well as athletics. You need housing for athletes and media in the tens of thousands and then a legacy plan with what to do after the Olympics. The rhetoric on Boston since they first entered the conversation is that the city is probably too densely populated to allow for all that an Olympics requires. The advantage Los Angeles has, in addition to prior hosting experience (and yes, that can also be a negative) is a large number of ready-made venues that require little renovation or upgrading to be ready for an Olympics. Boston does not have that. There already have been concerns expressed about the potential costs. So that's something I'm not sure has really hit them yet. Right now, LA has shown they have some semblance of a plan. Boston doesn't have that yet. I'm less than confident they can put a plan together that works for an Olympics and still makes sense for the city. That's what they're up against. Far from impossible they can come up with such a plan. But I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, I give LA the edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woohooitsme83 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 no what im saying it isnt proper that leading members of this message think that this is just for show and la has won Yes, but even without knowing the plans for LA, we can still assume that The Coliseum would be used. Can we still assume something for Boston as the main stadium? LA has infrastructure. Boston has infrastructure. LA Is improving. Boston is improving. Yes, that is good, but that does not necessarily correlate to a winning bid. Simply having improvements does make a city more Olympic-y. The applaud for LA wasn't simply because of the Metro and LA river. It was because they had a plan. They had a combination of revitalization (LA River) + Space = River-side Olympic Village. They had a plan to rejuvenate history (the Memorial Coliseum). They had a plan that centered around diversity, rather than brags of how they saved the Olympics back in '84. Though, they were only preliminary ideas and concepts, it was better than nothing. but even with nothing LA still had something to prove her Olympic worthiness (refer back to the first paragraph). Did that make any sense? My mind has been drift-y lately ._. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Well I hoped...then I realized that it was unrealistic. DC is like SF, sounds nice in theory but can not be executed. But you do that quite a bit, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 We're not exactly big on 'proper' on this forum, as you may have noticed. But perhaps it says something that leader members of this message think that LA has won. Right now, LA has shown they have some semblance of a plan. Boston doesn't have that yet. I'm less than confident they can put a plan together that works for an Olympics and still makes sense for the city. That's what they're up against. Far from impossible they can come up with such a plan. But I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, I give LA the edge. Gotta love those over-excited newbies pitching for their hometown. It's always the same thing here on Gamesbids. The regulars are always 'underestimating' their city & aren't being fair. But looking at how all this has unfolded in the last 18 months, I think Boston coming in possibly second in this entire USOC 2024 evaluation, is still pretty darn good, all things considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khouseman1986 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 hey did la ever give a budget estimate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 hey did la ever give a budget estimate I believe they did. Even if they didn't, they got it in there. This isn't the first time they're doing it, ya know. They know the drill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khouseman1986 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I believe they did. Even if they didn't, they got it in there. This isn't the first time they're doing it, ya know. They know the drill. I was just wondering I couldn't find anything online about a budget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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