baron-pierreIV Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Well, after that novel (and movie) BLACK SUNDAY came out (book - 1976; film - 1977), the Secret Service asked that "No Fly Zones" be instituted over stadia hosting major events. So again, that was about 2 decades before 9/11. The situation just became more paranoid after 9/11/2001. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 The costs are what went up post-9/11 though. It wasn't enough to just be heavily involved. Now you had to have metal detectors and screening points and more heavily defined perimeters. I'm sure the bombing incident in Atlanta being relatively fresh in everyone's minds was a factor as well. I was in Salt Lake in 2002. Can't speak to what security was before, but then, you couldn't go near a venue without going through a checkpoint first. Pre-2002 Olympic security may have been heavily fortified, but American sporting events in general (and I have to being the Olympics as a whole as well) got even more massive after 9/11. And for good reason I was trying to think back on Atlanta, and while I can't remember if they had the metal scanners, there were indeed very heavily defined perimeters and screening at the entrances to venues. What was unsecured, however, was Centennial Park. Yet even after the bombing at the park, when it came to Sydney, the live sites were again totally open and unsecured and open to all traffic (well, I'm sure they would have had undercover and video surveillance). Venues were the standard bag search and scan. The visible changes from that in London were squaddies doing the bag and scan rather than civilians (but that had more to do with the failure of the private security contractor and in the end made for a secure atmosphere anyway) and the live sites this time required a bag check and scan to get in - in fact I found it harder, or slower rather, to get into the live sites than the actual venues in London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony E Loves Architecture Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 I was trying to think back on Atlanta, and while I can't remember if they had the metal scanners, there were indeed very heavily defined perimeters and screening at the entrances to venues. What was unsecured, however, was Centennial Park. Yet even after the bombing at the park, when it came to Sydney, the live sites were again totally open and unsecured and open to all traffic (well, I'm sure they would have had undercover and video surveillance). Venues were the standard bag search and scan. The visible changes from that in London were squaddies doing the bag and scan rather than civilians (but that had more to do with the failure of the private security contractor and in the end made for a secure atmosphere anyway) and the live sites this time required a bag check and scan to get in - in fact I found it harder, or slower rather, to get into the live sites than the actual venues in London. I correct You there. The Media gave a very biased and unfair story on that. The Contractor done an excellent job. It was LOCOG that messed up. The Contractor are excellent security and made the Games safer. Blame LOCOG and no one else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 I correct You there. The Media gave a very biased and unfair story on that. The Contractor done an excellent job. It was LOCOG that messed up. The Contractor are excellent security and made the Games safer. Blame LOCOG and no one else.You sure? Just read up again and it seems clear GS4 admitted they couldn't deliver on what they'd promised, had to pay huge penalties and eventually saw it's CEO have to resign. Not much the media would need to beat up.Seems very unTonyesque to say LOCOG stuffed up anything, much less in defence of some private company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofan Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 You sure? Just read up again and it seems clear GS4 admitted they couldn't deliver on what they'd promised, had to pay huge penalties and eventually saw it's CEO have to resign. Not much the media would need to beat up. Seems very unTonyesque to say LOCOG stuffed up anything, much less in defence of some private company. I remember that he said his dad worked in security. It's possible that his company was the one that fudged up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 So a FTSE100 company with its army of lawyers paid out £70m in compensation to LOCOG just for shits and giggles I guess! They also recieved a ban on precurements of public contracts which has only just been lifted, and its CEO resigned. Pretty easy to see who screwed up here. The army stepped in brilliantly, and actually were more friendly and professional than I imagine a bunch of recently recruited security staffers would've been, so it worked out in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Statement by GS4, September 2012: “G4S has accepted responsibility for its failure to deliver fully on the Olympic contract. We apologise for this and we thank the military and the police for the vital roles they played in ensuring the delivery of a safe and secure Games. Our Review of the company's performance on this contract has been extremely thorough and, whilst the failures are largely specific to the very special nature of this contract, we will learn from mistakes made." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 This isn't specific to an Olympic bid, but since it involves San Francisco which is still in the running for the USOC's nod for 2024.. The Warriors have released a sketch of the plans for their new arena. They're no longer targeting the pier but rather are looking at land in the Mission Bay neighborhood. And it's funny because I've been saying that the Coliseum is a really crappy stadium (literally.. for those who have heard the stories, they've had more than a couple of issues with plumbing and sewage) and then here's the initial design for the new arena.. So is this is what gets built, if people say the place is a giant toilet, they also mean that somewhat literally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 That hilariously awful. It is a toilet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony E Loves Architecture Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Statement by GS4, September 2012: “G4S has accepted responsibility for its failure to deliver fully on the Olympic contract. We apologise for this and we thank the military and the police for the vital roles they played in ensuring the delivery of a safe and secure Games. Our Review of the company's performance on this contract has been extremely thorough and, whilst the failures are largely specific to the very special nature of this contract, we will learn from mistakes made." I have inside knowledge of this issue. They can claim responsibility, but G4S done nothing wrong, LOCOG messed up. Again, take into consideration that I have inside knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 I have inside knowledge of this issue. They can claim responsibility, but G4S done nothing wrong, LOCOG messed up. Again, take into consideration that I have inside knowledge. Generally organizations don't accept responsibility for doing something wrong when they did nothing wrong. And Tony, with all due respect, you're really not in a position to play the inside knowledge card here and tell us to take your word for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 That hilariously awful. It is a toilet! Could be an interesting sight if the roof was retractable.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 They can claim responsibility, but G4S done nothing wrong, LOCOG messed up. Again, take into consideration that I have inside knowledge. Well, I disagree with you on GS4's culpability. I will take into consideration that your insider's knowledge is that your Dad probably works for them. Let's just agree to disagree and compromise then and settle that it's England who f*cked up badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woohooitsme83 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 I have inside knowledge of this issue. They can claim responsibility, but G4S done nothing wrong, LOCOG messed up. Again, take into consideration that I have inside knowledge. Even more evidence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.bernham Posted August 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Well, I disagree with you on GS4's culpability. I will take into consideration that your insider's knowledge is that your Dad probably works for them. Let's just agree to disagree and compromise then and settle that it's England who f*cked up badly. That is what I was thinking...and it would make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony E Loves Architecture Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Well, I disagree with you on GS4's culpability. I will take into consideration that your insider's knowledge is that your Dad probably works for them. Let's just agree to disagree and compromise then and settle that it's England who f*cked up badly. Well, I know it was LOCOG that messed up and LOCOG only. So a FTSE100 company with its army of lawyers paid out £70m in compensation to LOCOG just for shits and giggles I guess! They also recieved a ban on precurements of public contracts which has only just been lifted, and its CEO resigned. Pretty easy to see who screwed up here. The army stepped in brilliantly, and actually were more friendly and professional than I imagine a bunch of recently recruited security staffers would've been, so it worked out in the end. Some G4S Workers worked hard all the way through the Games. The Volunteers got all the credit, but many G4S Security Workers worked all the way through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Well, I know it was LOCOG that messed up and LOCOG only. Some G4S Workers worked hard all the way through the Games. The Volunteers got all the credit, but many G4S Security Workers worked all the way through. We know by now that you always know the absolute truth, even if hard facts suggest otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Some G4S Workers worked hard all the way through the Games. The Volunteers got all the credit, but many G4S Security Workers worked all the way through. Nobody is disputing this. G4S paid back about a third of their contracted payment in compensation (about £70m as has already been said). They certainly didn't fail entirely, but they left the organisers in a huge hole by only being able to make good on part of what they promised. I'm sorry, but whatever "inside info" you have doesn't do anything to negate the fact that G4S paid a huge amount in compensation to LOCOG - something no company would do if they were the innocent party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 This is all so relevant to "USA 2024." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.bernham Posted August 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 This is all so relevant to "USA 2024." Like really...were fighting about London... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khouseman1986 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Well there isn't any news coming out of the us about there possible bids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 ^Doesn't mean, though, that a U.S. 2024 specific thread should be hijacked by a totally non-relevant issue, when there's plenty of other appropriate threads that said topic coulda been talked about/transferred to instead. And some people griped about Barcelona being talked about in the Melbourne 2024 thread. At least there it was much more tangible than in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 It'll be back on topic next time some new news is posted. It's not like this is the first thread to drift off topic in the history of GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 It'll be back on topic next time some new news is posted. It's not like this is the first thread to drift off topic in the history of GB Hence why I posted a picture of the toilet bowl arena (wonder if they could get Clorox to buy the naming rights). At least that has some relevance to USA 2024. It's funny though because no one had posted in this thread for a week and then once the thread is bumped to the top, someone discovers a discussion from then that suddenly they feel the need to reply to. Ahh GamesBids.. you never fail to disappoint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Maybe a stadium shaped like toilet wasn't the conversation starter you thought it's be. A busted flush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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