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I could only see a Paris bid being a formidable opponent, despite some of the French pessimism in early polls. Which I could understand, considering their three losses. But they should at least give it another good try. It'll be twelve years since their last attempt, & surely the IOC would consider it a very attractive option & think long & hard if they really wanna bypass them yet a fourth time. Barring a strong, compelling candidate from elsewhere, the French would have an extremely strong case.

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I could only see a Paris bid being a formidable opponent, despite some of the French pessimism in early polls. Which I could understand, considering their three losses. But they should at least give it another good try. It'll be twelve years since their last attempt, & surely the IOC would consider it a very attractive option & think long & hard if they really wanna bypass them yet a fourth time. Barring a strong, compelling candidate from elsewhere, the French would have an extremely strong case.

Probably the best since it be a century ago when France hosted an OSG. A firm American candidate city in the form of LA or at a stretch, NY, could make for an interesting ride. France is unusual in that it's political and financial systems are heavily based on socialist ideology...and kind of works. You can pretty much guarantee they would have no problem hosting, but passion always has a say and this is one country where everyone gets a voice.

Still wouldn't say no to Paris 2024...Like the bids for 2012, we could be in for an exciting race.

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But there is talks in Paris France about bidding for the 2025 World Expo and not the 2024 Summer Games and London UK is also looking into 2025 World Expo, So it could be another London Paris show down in 2025 for World Expo, The Paris public will want to host World Expo more then the Olympics polls showing in Paris.

Paris France and Rome Italy may not bid and Berlin Germany may sweep in an bid for the 2024 Summer Games and if the only strong European city in the race it will have an edge on an American bid you know being the 4th biggest economy in the world and has not hosted any games in 52 years and back in the United Germany while the USA has hosted 4 games in that time, Germany has an edge and with Thomas Bach it could be Bach Barcelona. So if Berlin Germany gets the 2024 Summer Games then it could be another 20 years for the next Summer Games in Europe with either Paris France, Rome Italy or Moscow Russia hosting the 2044 Summer Games.

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I love the way you keep an eye on these flaky online polls about whether Paris would prefer an Olympics or an Expo. but completely ignore the lost referendum in Germany when it comes to your favourite Berlin hosting the Olympics. One matters more than the other, but it's not the one you think!

Anyway.

Step-by-step Paris is moving in the right direction. First we had the embryonic bid team touring London and Tokyo and talking to the IOC and former and current Olympic organisers, now they're setting up working groups to study the feasibility. I like the thoroughness they're showing so far.

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Probably the best since it be a century ago when France hosted an OSG. A firm American candidate city in the form of LA or at a stretch, NY, could make for an interesting ride. France is unusual in that it's political and financial systems are heavily based on socialist ideology...and kind of works. You can pretty much guarantee they would have no problem hosting, but passion always has a say and this is one country where everyone gets a voice.

Still wouldn't say no to Paris 2024...Like the bids for 2012, we could be in for an exciting race.

Anytime Paris is in the mix you have an interesting race...LA just makes it exciting...first time i have been able to say that since 2009.

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I don't see how Paris could lose to LA unless they really screw up, New York could be more formidable opponent but still beatable. The real elefant in the living room is still Durban. I could imagine Paris beating even the South Africans, considering that it will be 12 years without European games and with even more reason if 2022 will be in Asia again, but it won't be easy. If the IOC prefers to go to Africa sooner rather than later, Paris could feel betrayed once again. It is partly their own fault too, though. I wonder if Paris is again picking the wrong fight. They went for 2008 which was destined to China and even though Athens and Torino hosted in 2004 and 2006 respectively. In 2020 Paris could have been offered the win on a silver plate if they just tried.

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If I were Paris, I'd pick an easier fight. They could win -- that's true. But there's also a very real possibility they could lose to either Durban or the US. That loss could be absolutely devastating. It's always difficult to predict a race so far in advance, but I think Paris really needs a race that's more like 2020 and less like 2012.

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Well, for starters, quite a few here (& seemingly including yourself now) keep saying that Durban is still no "done deal". So why should France feel any intimidation to bid if the South Africans do indeed wind up bidding for 2024. I don't really see 2024 being the big hot race that 2012 was, at least not yet anyway. And even then, Paris was the favorite for that highly contested 2012 race.

I also don't see 2024 being anything like 2008 as far as the French are concerned. I think that they very well knew that 2008 was going Beijing's way (not to mention that the 2004 Summer Games were already slated for Europe, so what did they really expect), so they were willing to take their chances, hence why they came right back for 2012.

With that said, I'd mentioned in another thread a few weeks ago, that I'm willing to say that the French could stomach another loss IF it were to the South Africans, & come back one more time (especially since by 2028 it would be an unprecedented 16 years without a European Summer Olympics). However, if they lost to the Americans, then in THAT case, yeah, I'd say that they would feel "betrayed" & say "screw you IOC" & not come back again for a very, very LONG time.

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So what happens if it's Paris against the United States with no South Africa? A very reasonable scenario. Either the USOC loses for the 3rd time in 4 Summer bids or France gets rejected again. Someone has to win that and someone has to lose. Yea it's going to be devastating for someone, but there can only be 1 winner. And I'm sure the IOC wouldn't be unhappy if they had bids from 2 reliable countries plus whoever else might be in the field.

If I were Paris, I'd pick an easier fight. They could win -- that's true. But there's also a very real possibility they could lose to either Durban or the US. That loss could be absolutely devastating. It's always difficult to predict a race so far in advance, but I think Paris really needs a race that's more like 2020 and less like 2012.

You can't really choose your fights though. How many times have we said about the USOC that as much as they need to be mindful of who they're bidding against, it's probably not a wise move to sit on the sidelines waiting for that ideal bid cycle to come along and potentially miss an opportunity. I know we're making a big deal about hurt feelings here, but that's how the game is played. If Paris is ready to bid, they should bid. If they think they can win, they should take the risk rather than waiting for a better opportunity to come along. And if they can't handle the possibility they might lose, then yea, maybe they shouldn't be bidding in the first place.

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The same applies. Even if South Africa is not in the mix, the French would still feel "betrayed", as someone else put it.

I agree, though, about you "can't choose your fights". I think it's interesting & ironic that the same ones that are applying that same logic towards France with regards to South Africa, are the same ones that say that the USOC shouldn't necessarily be gauging what South Africa's intentions are since they might not bid again anyway.

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In a sense you can choose your fights. No one is compelled to bid.

That said, you can't predict exactly how the race will unfold. Everyone is guessing,

It's a matter of accepting the unknowns and forging ahead with the knowledge that a worst-case scenario may become reality.

I see the French as being more fragile than the Americans or the South Africans. If all three bid, all three have strong cases. It would be a hard won victory regardless of who pulled ahead at the end.

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If I were Paris, I'd pick an easier fight. They could win -- that's true. But there's also a very real possibility they could lose to either Durban or the US. That loss could be absolutely devastating. It's always difficult to predict a race so far in advance, but I think Paris really needs a race that's more like 2020 and less like 2012.

I'd say Paris is already looking like the favorite before they even need to bid.

I could see them potentially losing to a South African bid, while i'd rather Paris, some IOC members might want to go to Africa for the first time.

However, I really can't see them losing to USA. It would be a slap in the face for the French after losing in 2012 being the favorites and then again in 2024. Paris does have more failed bids under their belt then the USA, plus NYC and Chicago came last whereas Paris has come 2nd, 3rd and 2nd.

Like FYI said, South Africa could beat a Paris bid but I can't see the USA upsetting Paris and if they did, i'm sure the French would just stop bothering.

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Paris does have more failed bids under their belt then the USA, plus NYC and Chicago came last whereas Paris has come 2nd, 3rd and 2nd.

And not only that, but New York, Chicago & Los Angeles are all *different* cities, unlike Paris whose all three bids were from the same French capital. I certainly don't include Annecy's 2018 failed winter bid as part of another Paris Summer bid equation.

Plus, Los Angeles would likely eagerly jump back in the saddle again, so unlike Paris. One last hosted way back in 1924, the other has hosted twice since then, & the last time as recent as 1984. Not too hard when you look at it that way who would find it as a slap in the face the most.

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You forgot Lille! :P What were they thinking with Lille!?! :D At least when they bid with Lille in 2004, they could have attempted a more professional looking bid book and so forth.

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I agree with what FYI is saying here. It's a matter of expectations and in 2008 surely Paris couldn't thought of winning so it must have served as an act of determination towards the IOC and as a rehearsal for the real battle of 2012. If they go against South Africa, they must acknowledge that there is a high risk of losing, but it's much more devastating to lose "unfairly" like in 2012. I would think Paris would see themselves as (clear?) favorites against the USA, I'd say justifiably so, thus by losing that race the French could feel that the IOC is just teasing them, taking them for a ride but not respecting them enough to award the real prize. That could be truly demoralizing and have very long-term consequences.

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In a nutshell I see it this way. If South Africa lose, they will certainly come back again. If the US lose, they will come back again too, especially if there is a feel that they didn't get a slap in the face and there were more justifiable candidates, such as Paris and Africa. If Paris lose to South Africa, they might still come back. If Paris lose to a US or European city, then they would most likely feel betrayed and not come back again for a very long time.

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I agree with general consensus here, if Paris looses in general they will not be back for a very long time.

No matter who they are against if someone else looses the French will feel betrayed by the IOC for embracing them with open arms then hightailing it to another city.

Something else to take into account is that any bid from Paris, while beautiful, will not be over the top expensive. That will certainly help them win, especially if the IOC wants to improve their image in Europe. For the IOC Paris is that LA'84, it's their shot to amend European ties and restore faith in the movement.

I think generally their is not a MASSIVE want to return to the states and if Paris is in the mix I could see LA loosing by a large margin. The IOC has five games to give the US, you don't have that with the insecure European market.

The only factor I can see hurting a Parisian bid is South Africa, but I think that the tribulations of Rio 2016 and the rarity that is Paris will ultimately sway the IOC in Paris' favor. We also do not even have a definite on whether or not South Africa will bid for 2024.

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And if they can't handle the possibility they might lose, then yea, maybe they shouldn't be bidding in the first place.

This applies to any potential bidder, though, not just Paris. How many times have we heard the USOC say that they won't bid "unless they have a bid that they know they can win with". And some on here making jest as to the whole "are they waiting for the 'wink, wink & secret hand shake". Is that not being able to handle the possibility that they might lose? Since even if they feel that they have that "winning" bid, there's still the good possibility that they could end up losing.

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This applies to any potential bidder, though, not just Paris. How many times have we heard the USOC say that they won't bid "unless they have a bid that they know they can win with". And some on here making jest as to the whole "are they waiting for the 'wink, wink & secret hand shake". Is that not being able to handle the possibility that they might lose? Since even if they feel that they have that "winning" bid, there's still the good possibility that they could end up losing.

cough*Chicago 2016*cough

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This Durban talk is rubbish I know an famous sports person who lives in Durban Peter Pollock he said to me that Durban is still small to host an Olympics Games and either Johannesburg or Cape Town would be an better city for it he is an sporting hero in South Africa.

Paris would be up against a tough Berlin and Los Angeles or New York City to get the 2024 Summer Games if they bid it will be no walk in the park and Germany got an geopolitical advantage in Europe as France is in Northern Europe and just hosted the games with London Geopolitics would say it's Central Europe turn next, Berlin is the capital city of the superpower of Europe and the United Germany has not hosted an Games yet and got an better story 35 years after the fall of the Berlin wall, This would be Germany 4th Games and France already hosted 5 games.

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This Durban talk is rubbish I know an famous sports person who lives in Durban Peter Pollock he said to me that Durban is still small to host an Olympics Games and either Johannesburg or Cape Town would be an better city for it he is an sporting hero in South Africa.

Paris would be up against a tough Berlin and Los Angeles or New York City to get the 2024 Summer Games if they bid it will be no walk in the park and Germany got an geopolitical advantage in Europe as France is in Northern Europe and just hosted the games with London Geopolitics would say it's Central Europe turn next, Berlin is the capital city of the superpower of Europe and the United Germany has not hosted an Games yet and got an better story 35 years after the fall of the Berlin wall, This would be Germany 4th Games and France already hosted 5 games.

Germany hasn't bid for the summer edition (with a potential candidate, sorry i don't find Leipzig as a potential host) since the 2000 olympics and even then Berlin didn't exactly do well. Paris bid for 1992, came 2nd, 2008, came third, and 2012 were the favorites and just came 2nd. LA hosted twice before one of which many members of this site would still remember (at least London was back in 1948). NYC yeah they could go alright but again it would only be there 2nd bid and they came 2nd last in 2012.

France may have hosted 5 games but only 2 are summer and the last one was (by 2024) would be 100 years. Compared to Germany's 42 years.

Sorry but Paris is a much bigger chance than any German bid.

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cough*Chicago 2016*cough

No, the USOC's been saying that in respects to a 2024 bid, when the question arises whether they'll bid again or not.

This Durban talk is rubbish I know an famous sports person who lives in Durban Peter Pollock he said to me that Durban is still small to host an Olympics Games and either Johannesburg or Cape Town would be an better city for it he is an sporting hero in South Africa.

Hmmmm, kinda sounds just like your Perth "rubbish".

Paris would be up against a tough Berlin and Los Angeles or New York City to get the 2024 Summer Games if they bid it will be no walk in the park and Germany got an geopolitical advantage in Europe as France is in Northern Europe and just hosted the games with London Geopolitics would say it's Central Europe turn next, Berlin is the capital city of the superpower of Europe and the United Germany has not hosted an Games yet and got an better story 35 years after the fall of the Berlin wall, This would be Germany 4th Games and France already hosted 5 games.

Well, Paris seems to be a few steps ahead of the Germans, though. They've been sending people to previous & future host cities, & starting to set up commissions to look into the matter. All Berlin has been doing is merely "talking" about it at best. I'll believe a German bid when I see it.

And L.A. I still wouldn't say is a certainty, & New York's mayor still is not interested. So I wouldn't get too excited about that.

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IMO this 2024 race could be the most exciting since the race for 2012.

Apart from Paris and a possible US (LA, Chicago or at a stretch, NY)entrant, we could have another three European cities and a possible South African bid.

Paris has been a very substantial bridesmaid and most spectacularly for '12. It will be the bride this time round unless something stupid happens.

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