Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
paul

How successful will Rio 2016 be?

  

65 members have voted

  1. 1. How will Rio 2016 go off?

    • Best Games Ever
      5
    • Good Games No Problems
      12
    • A few Glitches
      32
    • Many Problems / which seriously damager the games
      16
    • Disaster requiring many plan B changes
      0
  2. 2. Do you want Rio 2016 to be a success?

    • Yes
      56
    • Undecided
      6
    • No
      3
  3. 3. What will be the biggest success in Rio?

    • Sport
      22
    • Legacy
      5
    • Venues
      0
    • Atmosphere / Human
      23
    • Location / Nature / City
      10
    • Cerimonies
      2
    • Design / logo, look etc.
      3


Recommended Posts

On the grand scheme of Olympics

Top Tier: Los Angeles, Barcelona, Sydney, Beijing, London

Forgotten Tier: Seoul, Moscow

Disaster Tier: Mexico City, Montreal, Munich

Meh with good moments Tier: Atlanta, Athens

Somewhere between Disaster and meh with good moments. There will be issues, lots of bad press, security issues and blah, blah, blah. Usain will conquer el diablo again. Some sob story will win a medal, the Russians will be annoying. Unfortunately for Rio I think, like Mexico City and Montreal, the die has been cast for how these games will be remembered.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I posted this on CAF's blog too, but I felt it deserved to be seen here. It describes very much my feelings about the Rio Games, and my frustrations at so much of the criticisms, here and in the media,  about the fact that they're not superslick and as perfectionist as a games in a Sydney, London, Vancouver or wherever.

 

Quote

 

The Olympic Games would be struggling for relevance if they hadn't come to Rio

The bleeding obvious popped up, as it were, while I was watching a taxi driver take advantage of the stalled traffic to empty his bladder on the side of the road near Ipanema Beach. Brazil is part of the developing world, and the Olympic movement has done absolutely the right thing by coming here. Indeed, the Games should get out more often.

Shock horror, this was not the only act of public urination seen hereabouts. From the Herald's pre-Games hotel in Copacabana, a gentleman was spotted watering the beach volleyball surface.

If this happened in Sydney, the offender would be an NRL player on his way to redemption via the local court, the front page and the Integrity Unit. We are so precious.

Sydneysiders can remember their relief and joy when the 2000 Games went off so well; can they also remember the perfectionist mass neurosis that preceded them, the fear that the world would judge us badly if a train had to wait more than a minute between Strathfield and Lidcombe?

Here in Brazil, workmen with cigarettes dangling from their lips are still wandering about with pieces of galvanised fence looking for somewhere to erect them or taking them home for resale. Bags of rubbish, like luggage at Latin American airports, are waiting on roadsides to be claimed. The logistics are not running on sleek rails.

Hundreds of big green things that could be barricades or housing materials are stacked on the beachfront. A navy boat patrols the waters in a sign of reassurance, or its opposite. That most tired of buzz expressions – "It is what it is" – seems, for once, entirely appropriate.

 

The Olympics have only dipped their toe into a developing-world democracy once before, going to Mexico City in 1968. Aside from ventures into authoritarian China and post-economic miracle South Korea, the Games have been hard to coax out of their first-world bubble.

They have never been to India or Indonesia or the Philippines, nor to the Middle East. Africa and the Caribbean have been over-represented in great achievements in the Olympic arena but untrusted as hosts. Australia has had the Games twice, but areas representing two-thirds of the world's population have not had them at all.

Are the Olympics struggling for relevance? Only perhaps on streets where Jarryd Hayne's next move is all-important. Out in those parts of the world where Hayne is, remarkably, unknown, a different story unfolds. The Olympics would be struggling for relevance if they didn't come to Brazil.

Withdrawals by basketball, tennis and golf superstars are not a blow to the Games, but just what they needed. The prospect of Brazil, where control-obsessed celebrity sportspeople could only envisage the potential for chaos and disease, sorted the sheep from the goats.

The uncommitted stayed away, as is their right, and the participants have been whittled back to those who should be here: athletes for whom this is the one big chance, the quadrennial dream. Far from weakening the Olympics, the absence of all those day-in, day-out professionals has purified the event. Those who are here, want to be here.

Rio is not London or Sydney, and it is certainly not Beijing. In the days leading up to the opening ceremony, the prevailing atmosphere is of a busy city, preoccupied with its problems, suddenly realising something big is happening and then not being too fussed about it either way.

There are no orchestrated parades or licked-clean thoroughfares. Outside the four main Olympic precincts the city appears to be taking the Games in its stride, declining to dress itself up in banners and flags.

Probably spooked by what they have heard about petty crime, terrorism and public urination, the hundreds of thousands of tourists reportedly here are keeping a low profile. Out on Copacabana, aside from the occasional very tall person wearing a national tracksuit, the majority of boulevardiers are Brazilian families.

If the Western world wants to hold its nose, the carioca response is not to try too hard. Which is refreshing.

Outside the bubble, partner-sponsors are not chewing up the landscape. On the surface, these appear to be the least-choreographed, least-corporate, least-commercialised, least-desperate-to-please Olympics in recent memory.

Some might think that is a sign of decline, but it is also a sign of the Games reaching into the world where people live. When the International Olympic Committee voted to come to Brazil seven years ago, the country was riding an economic wave of rising oil and commodity prices. The Brazil of 2016 is not what was anticipated and the economic legacy of holding an Olympic Games has been over-sold (when has it not?); but the Games and the athletes will be a success if they embrace the fact that this is where a serious global movement should be coming, and if every detail does not go to plan, a surprise needn't be an unpleasant one.

What constantly startles is the natural beauty of the city. Christ the Redeemer came late, less than a century ago. He was pre-dated by the splendour of Guanabara Bay and the beaches of Barra, the offshore islands and the granite mountains and cliff faces that rise and plunge between neighbourhoods.

Like Hobart, Rio is a city where there is cheap real estate with great views. All this beauty, too, is taken in the cariocas' stride. If the relieving taxi driver had turned to face the other way, he would have had a splendid vista of Ipanema and the south Atlantic. He didn't care to; this is his town, and he sees it every day.

Sydney Morning Herald

 

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm eating my words of two years ago.

Rio will be its own success. It's not London, Sydney, Beijing, Barcelona, or Los Angeles, but I think because it is not those cities it will be successful.

The atmosphere is great, the branding is great, and sure there will be hiccups, at the end of the day I think people will look back on Rio and appreciate its simplicity and relaxed attitude. I think people will only be disappointed if they try to compare it to London or Sydney (something I have been guilty of). 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On ‎8‎/‎2‎/‎2016 at 11:58 PM, Faster said:

. Unfortunately for Rio I think, like Mexico City and Montreal, the die has been cast for how these games will be remem

Keep in mind that four days into Vancouver, they had been branded the glitch games. All everyone (in the media at least) wanted to talk about was the dead luger, the misfire during the OC, the ugly barbed wire fence around the downtown flame, and weather problems at Whistler. Eventually, the press realized there were great sports moments to talk about and a non-stop party going on in the city.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, mr.bernham said:

I'm eating my words of two years ago.

Rio will be its own success. It's not London, Sydney, Beijing, Barcelona, or Los Angeles, but I think because it is not those cities it will be successful.

Thi what gets me about those decrying Rio already for not being extravagant or spectacular enough. The last thing the Olympics at the moment needs is another Sochi or Beijing (well, like it or not, they ARE getting another Beijing in six years time)). A more modest and rough n ready Rio would be a far better tonic.

Edited by Sir Rols

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Love some of Rio's venues. I just wish the stands were more full. I'm watching tennis right now and the venue is so intimate. The look is understated and simple. 

I am also getting a vibe like Sydney 2000, Vancouver 2010, Toronto 2015, Manchester 2002. Were it was celebratory/party like.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, paul said:

...the American athletes do not seem welcome in Rio, the Brazilian fans are booing all the time no matter what country the US is playing.

There are also many many empty seats in every venue, is this normal for day one or is this just a poorly attended games?

Paul, I took this quote from the post you made in the LA 2024 bid thread - it was probably a bit too off-topic to discuss there (especially considering how we get on Ruff's back about his off-topic Paris posts there).

 

Anyway.... Firstly, you guys gotta remember, the US is usually the team we all want to beat. The price of being top dogs. That said, I've always been a bit worried about the Brazilian propensity to boo, that Danny used to tell us was a big part of Brazilian's sense of crowd participation at events. I'd hoped they'd tone it down for the games, but have noticed it a bit too. Not sure if we should just chalk that down to cultural differences, but, yeah, it is off-putting when we're more used to showing respect to athletes and guests.

 

As for the crowds - I know empty seats are a problem at any games, but, yeah, I've thought the stands have looked particularly sparse at many of the events telecast today. Not sure if it's ticket sales, or crowd queuing problems as described in CAF's blog. Again, I hope that improves.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's obviously ticket sales. We've known a while the sales haven't been as strong for Rio as they were for London or Beijing, so the larger than usual number of empty seats was expected, just as we saw in Athens. It's the Paralympics which will be the real shocker going by the numbers reported.

Yeah, there's an Athens vibe to these Games. Stunning backdrop, all a bit last minute, reading CAFs blog it's all a bit by the seat of their pants which is letting a few people down (hopefully things will get slicker as they go on). But very enjoyable so far. I kind of like the fact conditions aren't ideal and there's choppy waters on the rowing course and hazards on road cycling course (poor Richie Porte though). These athletes are really having to work for their medals.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Watching the swimming finals, I'm seeing the Russians being consistently booed. Don't know whether to approve or not.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
47 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

Watching the swimming finals, I'm seeing the Russians being consistently booed. Don't know whether to approve or not.

As an American...I approve. I'll take boos for my country as long as they dole them out to the Russians too.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Still too many empty seats.  TV ratings in the US for the Opening Ceremony were way down from London, considering the East Coast supposedly got it live.  If they had Jennifer Lopez or Lady Gaga in there, I am sure ratings would have been much better.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Too many empty seats, and again the very unfair brazilian audience. Booing the guest? Never mentioned that in London.

Lack of atmosphere!

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, Daze said:

Too many empty seats, and again the very unfair brazilian audience. Booing the guest? Never mentioned that in London.

Lack of atmosphere!

Correct. They didn't boo in London. At many events, not a lot of cheering either. Lots of polity golf clapping.

South American fans are vocal. In addition to the Brazilians, there are a ton of Argentines in Rio being very vocal for their team (and against their opponents.) But it's just boos and whistles. Not like, say, a Flyers game where the crowd screaming vile insults at the other team. I'll take this any day.

My host was reading an article from the paper to me, about how foreigners are complaining that the Brazilian fans are treating every sport like football. As you might imagine, having foreigners tell locals they don't cheer right didn't go over too well.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, zekekelso said:

My host was reading an article from the paper to me, about how foreigners are complaining that the Brazilian fans are treating every sport like football. As you might imagine, having foreigners tell locals they don't cheer right didn't go over too well.

Yeah, I remember we were talking to Danny during the last Olympics about exactly this. And he insisted - despite our saying it wouldn't go down well at a Games - that it was the national tradition, that it was just part of their psyche that they boo opponents, it was how they enjoyed their sports spectating and that, well, it was how they would behave at the games. I suppose, I dunno, make of it what we will.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On August 7, 2016 at 11:47 PM, mr.bernham said:

As an American...I approve. I'll take boos for my country as long as they dole them out to the Russians too.

It's the only thing that makes me feel better about booing the American athletes. At least the cheaters are getting boo'd louder. I expect it to be consistent and want to see the same boos for Gatlin next week.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, olympicdreamin said:

It's the only thing that makes me feel better about booing the American athletes. At least the cheaters are getting boo'd louder. I expect it to be consistent and want to see the same boos for Gatlin next week.

Not just Gatlin, but Tyson Gay as well if he made it to Rio. For all the s**t we give the Russians for cheating, it's only fair that we also give s**t to these two hot pieces of ass!

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
28 minutes ago, LatinXTC said:

Not just Gatlin, but Tyson Gay as well if he made it to Rio. For all the s**t we give the Russians for cheating, it's only fair that we also give s**t to these two hot pieces of ass!

 

Amen!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't mean to be a pessimist, but these games (winter or summer) that I have witnessed (2002 onward) have been the worst.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
18 minutes ago, intoronto said:

I don't mean to be a pessimist, but these games (winter or summer) that I have witnessed (2002 onward) have been the worst.

It's gonna be interesting when we do our report cards and verdicts at the end.

I assume most of us will be acknowledging they've been clunky and rough edged. But whether that constitutes a "fail" or is even particularly bad in itself I reckon is gonna spark heated debate.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 hours ago, Rob. said:

A case of justified booing here:

 

I lost the count of how many incidents like these have been when an Israeli plays against an arab athlete. There was also a small incident the night of the opening when the Lebanon athletes refused to share a bus with Israel.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/36998989

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  

×