GBModerator 185 Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 A survey carried out April 28 by the Homo Homini Institute with 1100 people being interviewed shows that 31 per cent of respondents nationwide were View the full article Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mr.bernham 384 Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 And then there were two... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Athensfan 1081 Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 Actually, as of now there are still 5. Doesn't look good. Disappointing that the mayor is telling people the Games will be profitable when that is clearly not the case. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mr.bernham 384 Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 Actually, as of now there are still 5. Doesn't look good. Disappointing that the mayor is telling people the Games will be profitable when that is clearly not the case. Oslo Krakow Lviv Beijing Almaty I rest my case Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tony E Loves Architecture 168 Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 Oslo Krakow Lviv Beijing Almaty I rest my case I think what Athensfan meant was - Officially, there are 5 Bidders left - In my opinion, there are 4 1/2 Bidders left (1/2 is Lviv) - Just joking. I still can't see how Oslo and Krakow can be ruled out. Until the referendum fails, Oslo is still the favourite, Krakow is 2nd and Beijing is the Insurance Policy for the IOC. Almaty is overrated IMO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob. 2054 Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 Can we have some insight from the couple of Polish posters we have here about what's going on? Only a few months ago we were seeing - similar to past bids from less developed nations - very high approval ratings for Krakow's Olympic project. Why the very sudden drop off, or is it simply a case of there being a different perspective nationally compared with locally? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tony E Loves Architecture 168 Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 Can we have some insight from the couple of Polish posters we have here about what's going on? Only a few months ago we were seeing - similar to past bids from less developed nations - very high approval ratings for Krakow's Olympic project. Why the very sudden drop off, or is it simply a case of there being a different perspective nationally compared with locally? I think the reason why there was a sudden drop off on the Krakow Bid, was because of the Media Reports suggesting that in other Words, Krakow probably won't pass the referendum? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Athensfan 1081 Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 Oslo Krakow Lviv Beijing Almaty I rest my case Has Oslo's government declined to back the bid? Did Krakow's referendum fail? Was Lviv cut from the shortlist by the IOC or have they withdrawn? You know the answer to all of the above is "no." There are currently 5 candidates for the 2022 Winter Games. It appears probable that list will diminish, but that has not happened yet. You're doing this weird thing where you talk about future events as if they were already in the past. You're pulling the same routine over in the Rio thread. Cut it out. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quaker2001 1303 Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 Oslo Krakow Lviv Beijing Almaty There are 2 things I'm fairly confident of.. there will be a Winter Olympics in 2022 and 1 of these 5 cities (well maybe 4 because of what's going on in the Ukraine) will be the host city. Oslo and Krakow may be on shaky ground right now, but they're still in the running. Maybe this is just me being overly optimistic but I'm hoping at some put the IOC will realize what a potential shitshow this race is turning out to be. And hopeully will find a way to keep 1 of those 2 in the race so that we're not left with a field where the only candidate outside of the continent holding the 2 most recently awarded Olympics isn't in the country that just was invaded by the country that most recently hosted an Olympics. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Athensfan 1081 Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 Can we have some insight from the couple of Polish posters we have here about what's going on? Only a few months ago we were seeing - similar to past bids from less developed nations - very high approval ratings for Krakow's Olympic project. Why the very sudden drop off, or is it simply a case of there being a different perspective nationally compared with locally? Rob, check out pages 65,66, 67 of the Krakow 2022 thread. The Polish posters seemed to be theorizing that there is political infighting within Poland and that Warsaw is attempting to scupper the bid. I don't know if they still hold the same view as that was several weeks ago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mr.bernham 384 Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 Many people have said the whole "and then there were four, etc.". It's a joke and poking fun at how bad this race is turning out to be, Krakow probably will not pass the referendum, Oslo's in a similar situation, and we all know that Lviv is out of the picture. That leaves two viable cities that do not face problems that would derail the bid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FYI 1207 Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 Direct problems, no. But indirect, inconspicuous problems, yes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baron-pierreIV 1704 Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 That's a national survey. Support must be strong in the Krakow area & surrounding but NOT so on a national basis. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nacre 217 Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 Maybe this is just me being overly optimistic but I'm hoping at some put the IOC will realize what a potential shitshow this race is turning out to be. And hopeully will find a way to keep 1 of those 2 in the race so that we're not left with a field where the only candidate outside of the continent holding the 2 most recently awarded Olympics isn't in the country that just was invaded by the country that most recently hosted an Olympics. Other than abandoning their requirements for guarantees from governments, what can they really do to keep those bids moving if the people and governments in those countries don't want to host the games? They can hardly force a country to host against its will. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baron-pierreIV 1704 Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 They can spend for their own show and just lease the sites. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Athensfan 1081 Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Many people have said the whole "and then there were four, etc.". It's a joke and poking fun at how bad this race is turning out to be, Krakow probably will not pass the referendum, Oslo's in a similar situation, and we all know that Lviv is out of the picture. That leaves two viable cities that do not face problems that would derail the bid. You went further than that though. Please don't take a page out of Baron's book by refusing to admit your mistakes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mr.bernham 384 Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 You went further than that though. Please don't take a page out of Baron's book by refusing to admit your mistakes. I'm not sure I understand what your saying. I did not "go further". All I said was that Oslo, Krakow, and Lviv are dead bids. While it's not official and it was a bit harsh for me to refer that they are dead now, I think we understand the joke I was making. If you took the comment the wrong way...I guess I should have worded it more appropriator. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quaker2001 1303 Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Rob, you were asking earlier to get some more insight on the situation? I managed to find a Pole that's against Crack-ow Not sure what this says about their Olympic aspirations though. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baron-pierreIV 1704 Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) You went further than that though. Please don't take a page out of Baron's book by refusing to admit your mistakes. I am so SICK & TIRED OF YOU taking potshots at me...when I have continuousy tried to IGNORE YOU. Your libelous post has been reported. Edited May 1, 2014 by baron-pierreIV Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zekekelso 794 Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Other than abandoning their requirements for guarantees from governments, what can they really do to keep those bids moving if the people and governments in those countries don't want to host the games? They can hardly force a country to host against its will. The Norwegians has a list of 5-6 very reasonable requests. Did the IOC ever formally respond to those? The IOC could definitely go on a PR offensive to convince skeptics that they aren't arrogant, out-of-touch assholes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tony E Loves Architecture 168 Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Many people have said the whole "and then there were four, etc.". It's a joke and poking fun at how bad this race is turning out to be, Krakow probably will not pass the referendum, Oslo's in a similar situation, and we all know that Lviv is out of the picture. That leaves two viable cities that do not face problems that would derail the bid. I wouldn't say two viable Bids. Beijing has it's fair share of issues and Almaty is a controversial Bid. Oslo only has 1 issue (Public Support), Krakow also only has 1 issue (Public Support), Beijing has a number of issues (Human Rights, Environment Issues, Poor International Relations with Tibet, Japan and Taiwan (Chinese Taipei) and a Communist Government)? Almaty doesn't have all the Venues and hasn't got any experience with Hosting Major Sporting Events (Fifa World Cup, Summer/Winter Olympics/Youth Olympics, UEFA Euro) and Lviv is just off the table. Political instability in Ukraine, aswell as a general weak Bid. Beijing and Almaty aren't as 'Perfect' as some point out to be. Yes, Beijing is the IOC's 'Insurance Policy', but it's not perfect. Like I've stated before, I believe the Almaty Bid is totally overrated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
intoronto 650 Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Didn't Tokyo suffer low national support to which ended up turning around? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mr.bernham 384 Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 I wouldn't say two viable Bids. Beijing has it's fair share of issues and Almaty is a controversial Bid. Oslo only has 1 issue (Public Support), Krakow also only has 1 issue (Public Support), Beijing has a number of issues (Human Rights, Environment Issues, Poor International Relations with Tibet, Japan and Taiwan (Chinese Taipei) and a Communist Government)? Almaty doesn't have all the Venues and hasn't got any experience with Hosting Major Sporting Events (Fifa World Cup, Summer/Winter Olympics/Youth Olympics, UEFA Euro) and Lviv is just off the table. Political instability in Ukraine, aswell as a general weak Bid. Beijing and Almaty aren't as 'Perfect' as some point out to be. Yes, Beijing is the IOC's 'Insurance Policy', but it's not perfect. Like I've stated before, I believe the Almaty Bid is totally overrated. i would strongly disagree, Almaty is not a mess of the bid. In fact at this point it's the only bid without a major problem, ignoring that fact is very ignorant. Sure Oslo and Krakow may only have one major problem, but that problem will derail the entire bid. Beijing has human rights issues, but is still 1 billion people, also you talked about Almatys venues; they have the most built. More than any other city in this race, they also do not lack 'Major' experience they have host many winter events in the past. I'm sick of all this Almaty bashing. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tony E Loves Architecture 168 Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 i would strongly disagree, Almaty is not a mess of the bid. In fact at this point it's the only bid without a major problem, ignoring that fact is very ignorant. Sure Oslo and Krakow may only have one major problem, but that problem will derail the entire bid. Beijing has human rights issues, but is still 1 billion people, also you talked about Almatys venues; they have the most built. More than any other city in this race, they also do not lack 'Major' experience they have host many winter events in the past. I'm sick of all this Almaty bashing. I can see your point and I respect your view on the matter. What's going against both Almaty and Beijing is the fact of the past 2 Olympics will be in Asia. Of course, if the IOC had no choice and Krakow failed it's referendum and Oslo withdrew, then the IOC would have to go to Beijing or Almaty. Don't you think that maybe Almaty should of Bid for the 2026 Winter Olympics and Paralympics instead? The reason why I say that, is because, Rio Hosted the 2007 Pan and Parapan American Games, so it was like a warm-up for a Rio 2016 Bid (Which they eventually won). Almaty is Hosting the 2017 Winter Universiade and the 2026 Bidding Process starts in 2017, so that could of given Almaty advantage in the 2026 race. Like I said, I acknowledge that Almaty has some Venues in place, but I don't think they can compete with Oslo (The favourites), Krakow (Second favourites) and Beijing (IOC's Insurance Policy). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Athensfan 1081 Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 I am so SICK & TIRED OF YOU taking potshots at me...when I have continuousy tried to IGNORE YOU. Your libelous post has been reported. It's only libel if it's not true. Your posts mocking Krakow's new bid leader for her weight are on display for all to see -- as is your vigorous defense of them. That's just one example among many. And it wasn't intended as a pot shot at you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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