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Some remarks and things I don't understand, Danny:

  • Why has Guanabara Bay necessarily have to be depolluted thoroughly as long as the Olympic competitions are not harmed by the pollution? (Yes, a polluted bay doesn't create nice images during Olympic Games, but do any Olympic events take place in the bay?)
  • London's whitewater venue broke ground in July 2009 and was opened in December 2010, not even one and a half years later: http://www.hyderconsulting.com/en/services/waterservices/Pages/displayarticle.aspx?pageid=349 That's exactly the timespan scheduled in your picture above, by the way, for Rio's whitewater venue. So I think your worries are fairly unfounded, even if the schedule is three months behind now.
  • Regarding Havelange Stadium: I think it's not at all an Olympic first that temporary expansion works are finished only weeks before the Games. Just think of London's temporary beach volleyball arena being constructed only weeks before the Games.
  • A rather hostile environment for the Games (in the shape of protests) could be a problem, yes. But how can the Rio organisers change anything about that when being pressured by the IOC? As far as I've understood it from media reports here in Germany, the protests are rather a social and political problem than a problem caused by the organisers of the World Cup and Olympic/Paralympic Games. What can ROCOG do about it?
  • If election campaigns in Brazil are anything similar to election campaigns in Germany or many other parts of the world, I think they are dominated by a lot of populism which later turns out completely or fairly different as soon as real governing starts. Even if those "Olympic opponents" among the candidates should win, I doubt that they can dare or even achieve to be a serious obstacle for the Games' preparations. I think the preparations are already too far underway (even despite the delays).

Guanabara Bay

You already answered in your own post.

Whitewater stadium.

It'll be the first venue of this kind in Brazil, maybe the first in South America.

Unless Ruo have plans to buy all the structure ready and just assmble it, I'm really concerned, specially after reading some stuff in SSC.

I hope you're right and my concern be only an empty concern.

Joao Havelange Stadium

Beach Volleyball structure is temporaty, the upper level ay the ends of JH Stadium will be made of concrete.

And if it gets some delay, the schedule will be very tight.

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(Reuters) - International Olympic Committee (IOC) vice president John Coates has called Brazil's preparations for the 2016 Rio Games "the worst" in his experience and critically behind schedule, but w

Protests

There were protests because of social and economical reasons, but they went bigger because of World Cup expenses (much money for stadiums and no legacy). The protest didn't end. We still have them and somehow, they are not big right now. If IOC starts public statements against Brazil, they can ignite the chaos again. Brazilians are really disappointed with the legacy and the "shame of no big works ready in the cities for the World Cup". As I said can be a power keg.

Elections

I don't need to explain much how idiots are politicians in Brazil...

We have radical socialist candidates running for Rio state. It's unlikely to them to win, if people were not in so bad mood.

Guys, the atmosphere for the World Cup is gone.

Four years later, our streets were painted in green yellow, all commercials on TV wer e about World Cup, people were counting days. It seems the world cup at home will be the first World Cup Brazilians does not care much about. I'm really sad about it.

And Tony, yes, media did a lot to destroy the joy of World Cup in Brazil (national and international).

It's unbelievable that for 2014, Brazilians were more happy about Winter Games than the world cup...

I hope the event gain some momentum in the next 40 days...

As soon as I get home, Tony I'll print screen some random facebook timeline...

I thought the JH Stadium's Expansion was Permanent or not?

It'll be permanent

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The big worry - from my standpoint - with the whitewater venue is that there is no plan B. The BMX park doesn't get finished? Eh, you can slap something together pretty quick. If the last 5,000 seats aren't finished in a stadium, you can still compete (note - I'm note saying it's good - just that it's not devastating.) But if your whitewater venue doesn't work, then what?

As for atmosphere... anyone remember the London riots of 2011? At the time, spending $billions on games wasn't at all popular. Then there were the ticket fiascoes. Public enthusiasm always goes through ebbs and flows leading up to a big event.

I strongly suspect World Cup mania will be alive and well once the matches start. As long the Brazilians are doing well.

PS - Have they announced the details of Rugby yet?

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I do hope FIFA and IOC learn something about statements. No matter how right was the vicepresident of IOC is, he cant treat a partner who is spending billions of dollars in a joint venture like this, in front of cameras.

IOC must do pressure in Rio because, yes, something is wrong on the preparations, but they must do it behind the cameras.

This kind of bipolar statements didn't work welll for FIFA and won't work well for IOC.

One day "It's the worst World Cup preparations in the last decades", the next day "It'll be the king of World Cups".

One day "Never saw that in the history of Olympic Games", the other day "Everything is on track".

Puta que o pariu... My heart can't handle this...

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The big worry - from my standpoint - with the whitewater venue is that there is no plan B. The BMX park doesn't get finished? Eh, you can slap something together pretty quick. If the last 5,000 seats aren't finished in a stadium, you can still compete (note - I'm note saying it's good - just that it's not devastating.) But if your whitewater venue doesn't work, then what?

As for atmosphere... anyone remember the London riots of 2011? At the time, spending $billions on games wasn't at all popular. Then there were the ticket fiascoes. Public enthusiasm always goes through ebbs and flows leading up to a big event.

I strongly suspect World Cup mania will be alive and well once the matches start. As long the Brazilians are doing well.

PS - Have they announced the details of Rugby yet?

I'm pretty sure there is an alternate venue in some other Brazilian city a few hundred km away

As for venue changes:

rugby sevens and modern pentathlon are now in the same stadium in Deodoro

basketball is now in two venues, one in Deodoro, one in Barra

hockey is now in Deodoro

water polo is now in Maracana at an existing facility.

fencing has moved from Deodoro to Barra.

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The big worry - from my standpoint - with the whitewater venue is that there is no plan B. The BMX park doesn't get finished? Eh, you can slap something together pretty quick. If the last 5,000 seats aren't finished in a stadium, you can still compete (note - I'm note saying it's good - just that it's not devastating.) But if your whitewater venue doesn't work, then what?

As for atmosphere... anyone remember the London riots of 2011? At the time, spending $billions on games wasn't at all popular. Then there were the ticket fiascoes. Public enthusiasm always goes through ebbs and flows leading up to a big event.

I strongly suspect World Cup mania will be alive and well once the matches start. As long the Brazilians are doing well.

PS - Have they announced the details of Rugby yet?

Not disagreeing with most of that post, but the London riots had nothing whatsoever to do with the Olympics, whilst Brazil's riots are in some cases connected to the World Cup and the Olympic spending. That's a crucial difference.

But you're right that public support ebbs and flows, and if London is anything to go by, then you'll get a sudden uptick of support and enthusiasm when the torch relay gets going. That's when I really felt the national mood changed from British scepticism to simmering excitement.

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^^Interesting

Hope the same happens here

Because 40 days before the World Cup and it's hard to find World Cup related stuff in Sao Paulo, host city of the opening match

And I work in the middle of Hotel area of the city.

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Protests

There were protests because of social and economical reasons, but they went bigger because of World Cup expenses (much money for stadiums and no legacy). The protest didn't end. We still have them and somehow, they are not big right now. If IOC starts public statements against Brazil, they can ignite the chaos again. Brazilians are really disappointed with the legacy and the "shame of no big works ready in the cities for the World Cup". As I said can be a power keg.

Elections

I don't need to explain much how idiots are politicians in Brazil...

We have radical socialist candidates running for Rio state. It's unlikely to them to win, if people were not in so bad mood.

Guys, the atmosphere for the World Cup is gone.

Four years later, our streets were painted in green yellow, all commercials on TV wer e about World Cup, people were counting days. It seems the world cup at home will be the first World Cup Brazilians does not care much about. I'm really sad about it.

And Tony, yes, media did a lot to destroy the joy of World Cup in Brazil (national and international).

It's unbelievable that for 2014, Brazilians were more happy about Winter Games than the world cup...

I hope the event gain some momentum in the next 40 days...

As soon as I get home, Tony I'll print screen some random facebook timeline...

It'll be permanent

See Danny, I don't mind that. I think I misunderstood you before. I was annoyed before when you said British Media are the ones destroying it. I kind of agree and respect now that your saying International Media is causing it.

JH Stadium: I thought so, I read somewhere (Can't remember if it was here or SSC) that it's a Temporary Expansion for Rio 2016, but I was pretty sure it's Permanent.

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^^Interesting

Hope the same happens here

Because 40 days before the World Cup and it's hard to find World Cup related stuff in Sao Paulo, host city of the opening match

And I work in the middle of Hotel area of the city.

That wasn't much different in London in 2012, I guess. And also here in Germany, there was hardly any enthusiasm for the World Cup until it actually started - due to the mostly bad or mediocre performances of the national team in the test matches before the tournament.

I still can't imagine why especially the Selecao shouldn't be a force that unites and enthuses the Brazilians as soon as the first seconds of the opening match have been played.

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After meetings of IOC in Brazil and in Rio, this is the new situation.

http://oglobo.globo.com/esportes/apos-criticas-vice-presidente-do-comite-olimpico-diz-que-esta-animado-confiante-para-rio-2016-12354514

After affirming that the preparations for the 2016 Games are the worst ever seen, the vice president of the International Olympic Committee (IOC), the Australian John Coates, issued a statement in which blots out their statements. Now, Coates says he is "excited and confident that Rio will host great games that will be delivered within the agreed timelines and budgets." The statement of the vice president of the IOC, taken last Tuesday, during the Olympic Forum in Sydney, Australia, has caused unease among the organizers of the games in Rio and Switzerland.

According to Coates, Gilbert Felli, director general of the Olympic Games, reported details on the construction progress. "He (Felli) passed me a positive update on the progress (of work) and positive responses by the Organizing Committee. Time is essential, and things are moving in the right direction" says the text.

And these are slides presented in January 2014 by Rio 2016 Committee to IOC about works in Rio.

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(the only difference about the slides and real world is that the works in Deodoro will start with 3 months of delay in respect to the slides).

As you can see, the works in Deodoro requires really short time of works. As I pointed before, part of Deodoro is ready for the Olympic Games.

What worries me. The BMX Park and the Whitewater Stadium.

Rio, definitevelly, have delays and lots of things to speed up, but as said by IOC and Rio 2016 committee, it's time to work and not for random statements. Amen.

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I strongly recommend this blog about Rio 2016, made by Michel Castellar, a journalist who is more inside than nobody about Rio 2016 preparations.

It's in Portuguese but it's gold stuff, I guarantee.

http://blogs.lancenet.com.br/rio2016/

(Google Translator is doing nice with Portuguese translations to English now-a-days)

That's deep information you guys won't find in big conglomarate superficial coverage...

PS: Bigfoot is the nickname of the Governor of Rio de Janeiro state, Luiz Pezão. LOL (Google Translator doing ****)

Well I'm glad things are picking up. Still, not shocked that Coates is back tracking hard core. It's worse than American Politicians :unsure:

I'm slowly getting confident in the city, still, they have tough challenges ahead.

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As much as what John Coates was pretty sobering, and I've no doubt it was meant to be, I'm also in no doubt Rio will be ready and will deliver. If the IOC needs to get its hands dirty and do more of the groundwork than they might have expected, then that should serve as a lesson to them.

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As much as what John Coates was pretty sobering, and I've no doubt it was meant to be, I'm also in no doubt Rio will be ready and will deliver. If the IOC needs to get its hands dirty and do more of the groundwork than they might have expected, then that should serve as a lesson to them.

Nice points.

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Wonderful! It was all just a big misunderstanding and Rio will host the best Olympics ever!

Someone obviously leaned on Coates. Ridiculous. What little respect I had for the IOC is just draining away. Liars and politicians.

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Wonderful! It was all just a big misunderstanding and Rio will host the best Olympics ever!

Someone obviously leaned on Coates. Ridiculous. What little respect I had for the IOC is just draining away. Liars and politicians.

Not even me think Rio will host the best Olympics ever (London and Beijing set the bar too high)

At this point, if we deliver games without problems, I'm already happy.

See Danny, I don't mind that. I think I misunderstood you before. I was annoyed before when you said British Media are the ones destroying it. I kind of agree and respect now that your saying International Media is causing it.

JH Stadium: I thought so, I read somewhere (Can't remember if it was here or SSC) that it's a Temporary Expansion for Rio 2016, but I was pretty sure it's Permanent.

The thing about British media is related to the World Cup solely. It's clear the campaign against FIFA for several reasons. Brazil is only one way PART OF British media uses to make pressure and sensationalism over FIFA.

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About Anti-Doping Lab

From REUTERS

http://br.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/idBRSPEA2I06220140319

The new lab will be named LBCD (Acronym in Portuguese for Brazilian doping control laboratory). Construction is already underway and should be completed in the second half of 2014. Installing equipment should happen by the end of the year and the expectation of the committee is that the laboratory is accredited in the second half of 2015
According to the president of the Brazilian Association of Doping Control (ABCD), Marco Aurelio Klein, the new laboratory will have the most modern equipment available in the market.
"It will be a new building, with 12 thousand square meters, a significant investment and is sure to be one of the main legacies of the Games," he added, noting that there is in the world only 33 laboratories accredited this type, mostly in the northern hemisphere.
The render of the new buildings of LBCD
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The buildings will be part of the new area of Chemistry College at Federal University of Rio de Janeiro.
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Well, why should we go on? I think this whole problem is somewhat settled for now - the IOC wants to get its hands dirty, they will push everything in it that they've got, and the timetable doesn't actually look as frightening as it originally sounded. Let's simply wait for new reports from Rio on the progress of the preparations and then see.

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Fair enough.

So far, all I got from forums on internet are more tons of pics of the refurbshment of abandoned parts of Rio, like the port area and Downtown, and I must say, if all promised to these are get ready anytime, this will be a big legacy from the Olympic Games, because, those were very dirty and ugly places, and now they look like this:

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Not even me think Rio will host the best Olympics ever (London and Beijing set the bar too high)

At this point, if we deliver games without problems, I'm already happy.

Wow - thats a pretty defeated attitude to come from an Olympic fan from the host country.

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Wow - thats a pretty defeated attitude to come from an Olympic fan from the host country.

If I say I believe the games will be amazing, I will get hundreds of posts saying "You're naive"...

So, if we can't win them, join them... ;)

I still think Rio will be amazing in several ways, on things people here does not care about.

It seems all that is discussed here is technical stuff, alright, about it, London and Beijing will be the ones after 2016.

still conquered by violence, in which Bach, neither Rogge can be capable to survive

Impressive how Rio habitants survived to get some 11 million souls living there, right? <_<

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