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And I'm not even sure that a victory by Boston is a foregone conclusion. It could as well be a European winning city (especially after a ten-year break for Europe in hosting Olympic Games), and then Hamburg would need even much more patience...

I don't anyone here said that a Boston win was a foregone conclusion. But, anyhow, congrats to Hamburg!

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Neither Paris nor Durban appear unbeatable to me. Parisians might ask whether the city and the nation should pay for yet another possible debacle, and Paris would also be a bad sign that the IOC wouldn't care much about Agenda 2020 and opening Olympic bid races again also for slightly smaller cities. Regarding Durban, I'm still clueless why there's always so much fuss about that city around here. It's internationally hardly known and always raises the question why South Africa doesn't go for Cape Town again. Furthermore, the IOC would have a lot of explaining to do towards its American and European partners if it awarded the Games to none of those two highly important continents for the fourth time in a row since the 2016 race. No, 2024 will be America's or Europe's time to shine.


(And yes, I'm in campaign mode already ;))


I don't anyone here said that a Boston win was a foregone conclusion. But, anyhow, congrats to Hamburg!

Well, the German media do.

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And yet Paris has most of its facilities & infrastructure already in place, which in those aspects, would fit nicely with Agenda 2020. And it's been discussed already ad nasuem around here why Durban would make the most sense, technically speaking, over more renowned Cape Town.

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Congrats to Hamburg great to hear it! As much as I would have liked for Berlin to be the pick, I think Hamburg will do just fine. And public support has become a more important aspect in hosting the Olympics these days, so I think that had plenty to do with the decision.

If it comes down to just Rome, Hamburg, and Boston it would certainly make for a more interesting race. If Paris does put in a bid, it's theirs to lose. If Durban puts in a bid, I don't see them taking home the grand prize just yet. They may garner a lot of votes for sympathetic purposes as the potential to be the first African city to host the Olympics, but I still don't see them as a city who has their s**t together to be able to host an event as large as the Olympics yet, certainly not ahead of Paris, Hamburg or Boston.

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If Paris was to bid, I'd have absolutely no problems with any of Boston, Paris or Hamburg. I would love to see a Parisian Games but also want to see a German Olympics. And I just love Boston as a city.

Maybe the CNOSF should bid with Marseilles. It would fit the race nicely. Marseilles vs Boston vs Hamburg sounds like a smashing race.

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One of my closest friends is from Hamburg (she lives literally on the borders of the London Olympic Park and genuinely thought David Beckham would be running down her road with the Olympic torch). :lol:

Will have to ask her what she makes of this bid next time I see her anyway.

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Funny that German media thinks Boston has it in the bag. All I know is that if Paris does bid I will back Paris and be supportive of Hamburg, if Paris does not win then it's Hamburg all the way for me.

Where is this german media coming from that's saying Boston has it in the bag? Is it Hamburg media or Berlin or other cities? I think it's just the media throwing shade that Hamburg got chosen over Berlin.

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Where is this german media coming from that's saying Boston has it in the bag? Is it Hamburg media or Berlin or other cities? I think it's just the media throwing shade that Hamburg got chosen over Berlin.

It's been like that ever since Boston was chosen, irrespective of which German city would bid. And it's not tabloids, but serious papers like Spiegel (Hamburg based) or Sueddeutsche (Munich).

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Where is this german media coming from that's saying Boston has it in the bag? Is it Hamburg media or Berlin or other cities? I think it's just the media throwing shade that Hamburg got chosen over Berlin.

It's been like that ever since Boston was chosen, irrespective of which German city would bid. And it's not tabloids, but serious papers like Spiegel (Hamburg based) or Sueddeutsche (Munich).

F.A.Z.-commentary - Keine andere Wahl (There was no other choice)

F.A.Z. is a very reliable newspaper like the Süddeutsche from Munich - in the last part of the commentary the author is saying that 2024 it is the turn of the USA. USOC turned in the question of the money dispersion and that has to be honoured.

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I'm still dubious about these assumptions by the German media outlets, even though the FAZ is indeed a respectable newspaper: I would buy the "It's America's turn" argument if the States had picked an A-Class city like New York, Chicago or Los Angeles. But Boston (no disrespect meant), is not in that category. Given Boston 2024's low popularity in the city itself, I wouldn't agree with the media (pessimistic as we Germans are reputed to be - we only believe it when we see it) saying Boston is all home and dry...or even in the driver's seat.

The United States has hosted more Olympic Games in the past fifty years than Germany and France combined. Surely, that would be an argument against having the Olympic Games return to American shores after just 28 years (summer) and 22 years (winter) of absence, respectively. And Europe ain't exactly a small or disadvantageous market, either...especially in terms of time zones.

In my personal view, if Paris throws its hat into the ring, it's gonna be the heavy favourite - provided they deliver a tough-as-nails campaign that's as professional as for 2012, but goes easy on Chirac-style stuff-ups (and preferably gets President Sarkozy to press the flesh (the IOC session is usually in the late summer, and France is having its presidential election in late April/beginning of May 2017; based on the trend in the polls for the past two years, Hollande will decline to run or get defeated in round 1)). Paris is perfectly capable of delivering that (excuse the cliché) je ne sais quoi that IOC members will enjoy.

I don't really see Durban making much of an impact beyond the African bloc, especially as its international recognition is lower than that of Cape Town - despite them hosting the Commonwealth Games in 2022. Rome will not be a factor due to Italy's abysmal economic and financial situation.

Should Paris not run, there will be no heavy favourite: it will quite simply depend on who can best resist the naysayers and NIMBYs, present a tight-knit organization and present a vision of sustainable Olympic Games that will renew the Olympic Movement. With Hamburg,there is still that public referendum in September...and sadly, many of us Germans are known to f- up opportunities like this because of parochial concerns and not being able to see the Olympic Games' value beyond pure money and budgeting...


So, I'll wait until the referendum result to be fully on board with Hamburg 2024...after all, Munich managed to wreck a sure thing for 2022.

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I remember when last year was discussed the possibility that the three major bid cities for 2024 would be Los Angeles, Berlin and Paris.

It's interesting how we ware back with less international cities (mark my words, I didn't say NON-international cities), a bit like Barcelona in 1992.


And it's true that the problem (if it is one) with Paris is that it's not a port-like city, by the sea / ocean, unlike Rio, Tokyo, Boston and Hamburg...

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2022 no one wants to bid, 2024 cities are bidding but some spark is still missing......it feels different .......maybe too soon to be exciting but no one (very few) people in the US care that Boston is bidding, not important to people I know in Boston either.....kinda just whateva whateva ...........

I don't think it captured the imagination.

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I remember when last year was discussed the possibility that the three major bid cities for 2024 would be Los Angeles, Berlin and Paris.

It's interesting how we ware back with less international cities (mark my words, I didn't say NON-international cities), a bit like Barcelona in 1992.

And it's true that the problem (if it is one) with Paris is that it's not a port-like city, by the sea / ocean, unlike Rio, Tokyo, Boston and Hamburg...

Then again, it's Paris!

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Guys no need to worry about Durban for 2024, there is no way we will bid. The city will have 100% focus on 2022 Commies and will leave the Olympic ambition to 2028 onwards. And yes, when SA does bid for the Olympics it will only ever put Durban forward going ahead, it makes the most sense. Forget the current "unknown" Durban, based on the agendas and movement within the country and city international rankings, it is already making big strides.

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...(and preferably gets President Sarkozy to press the flesh (the IOC session is usually in the late summer, and France is having its presidential election in late April/beginning of May 2017; based on the trend in the polls for the past two years, Hollande will decline to run or get defeated in round 1)). Paris is perfectly capable of delivering that (excuse the cliché) je ne sais quoi that IOC members will enjoy...

The recent polls show the FN leading. If the FN can hold their large majority then 2017 could see a showdown between Le Pen and Sarkozy and I think too many people do not give credit to Le Pen or acknowledge that come summer 2017 France could have its first far right government since Nazi occupation.

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Yes, the problem with the FN being ahead of some polls is because people don't feel concerned by politics until it's time to vote for presidential elections! I'm not worried, Le Pen will NEVER be the president of France. The French people are not that stupid, and you just have to see what happened back in 2002.

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The recent polls show the FN leading. If the FN can hold their large majority then 2017 could see a showdown between Le Pen and Sarkozy and I think too many people do not give credit to Le Pen or acknowledge that come summer 2017 France could have its first far right government since Nazi occupation.

Granted, Marine Le Pen is very likely to get into the second round of the 2017 presidential election: Hollande is too weak, and all the other Socialist Party pretenders quite simply have been tarnished by association. That leaves Sarkozy and Le Pen - yes, good ol' Nicolas isn't exactly a paragon of virtue himself, what not with the corruption allegations and the like.

That said, there is no way left-wing voters will just stay at home when the contest is between Sarkozy and Le Pen - they will begrudgingly vote for Sarkozy to block Le Pen from winning the presidency. France is not a far-right country, and barring a major cataclysm like a 9/11-style attack with massive casualties, I just cannot foresee how "President Marine Le Pen" could be marketable to anyone with her message of Euroscepticism, intent to withdraw from the EU and NATO, protectionist economic policies and fear of foreigners, migrants and minorities...

Yes, the problem with the FN being ahead of some polls is because people don't feel concerned by politics until it's time to vote for presidential elections! I'm not worried, Le Pen will NEVER be the president of France. The French people are not that stupid, and you just have to see what happened back in 2002.

Precisely, Sarkozy would likely carry a runoff election by a two-thirds majority...

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While I agree that it is very doubtful Le Pen will being moving into the Elysee Palace when the IOC votes it is still a possibility. Even the French Prime Minister is saying it's possible. Personally I hope Sarkozy can pull enough votes to win and keep Le Pen out of power.

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