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Well - I am not so sure that Paris is the clear favourite - I want to see their concept...

Sorry, but I can't help but to read your comment as simple hometown bias. Do you honestly think that Paris is just going to throw something together half-baked? If their latest attempt is anything like Paris 2012, then they've already got a good start. This would be their fourth attempt, so I seriously doubt that they'll take anything for chance this time out.

With Boston 2024 looking more & more shaky with each passing day; Rome (& Italy overall) still in dire financial conditions; Germany not choosing their premier city & South Africa likely to sit this one out again, then yeah, I'd say that Paris at this early stage is starting to look like the big favorite.

I can't imagine a scenario, with the above field, where the IOC turns their back on a solid Parisian bid yet again. Especially when not to long ago it was starting to look doubtful that Paris would even enter the 2024 fray. So this is quite a turn around that we're seeing now.

The Olympic Games finally coming to the City of Lights after a century seems like an Olympic story book fairy tale that could become actuality. Unless the French were to shoot themselves in the foot, I can't see them but winning this time around Beijing 2008/PyeongChang 2018 style.

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I think Paris is going to make the Hamburg camp a little humble. I wonder if a potential loss will make the DOSB consider re engaging Bavaria with a new plan. Giving 2024 to Germany would put it almost on equal ratio with the U.S. for summer hosting, post 1930.

I know it's wrong to make assumptions or show arrogance, but it just seems so ridiculous for the 2024 Games in Europe not to be Paris. The stars just seem so aligned - almost like Beijing 2008.

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Sorry, but I can't help but to read your comment as simple hometown bias. Do you honestly think that Paris is just going to throw something together half-baked? If their latest attempt is anything like Paris 2012, then they've already got a good start. This would be their fourth attempt, so I seriously doubt that they'll take anything for chance this time out.

Well, yeah - of course I do love my hometown and I really like Paris also...

My remark was about that I don't want to be awestruck.

Of course I know that Paris and Rome are two great metropoles, but I do know as well what Hamburg is able to to. The concept of Hamburg is fantastic and therefore I want to see the concept of the other biding cities first, before I say that is a good bid.

The Paris 2012 bid or the Rome 2020 bid were not convincing in my point of view - they were too much spread all over the place and after the IOC's adoption of the 2020 agenda I am not sure in which direction the IOC wants to go in future. USOC understood that also with the selection of Boston. It will become very interesting what the IOC will do...

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I'm probably an eternal pessimist, but I don't believe in Hamburg's chances at all if it is up against Paris. Paris can still shoot itself in the foot, and I don't think France is that much better off than Italy economically these days, but even a half-baked concept with "Paris" stamped on it will probably entice the IOC more than a perfect one with a "Hamburg" stamp.

That said, runningrings drawing the line at 1930 and saying Hamburg getting 2024 would put Germany at the same level of hosting as the US is rather arbitrary. I could also draw a line at 1980 and say that out of all major sports powers, Germany has been the only one not to host either Games since then. Granted, the various failed bids were largely incompetent, but still there is a reasoning why it should be Germany's turn soon.

But coming back to the beginning if my post, pessimist me doesn't see it happenning for a long time still. The golden opportunity 2022 was totally wasted and nobody in Bavaria currently in power will touch the idea of Winter Games, not to forget the climate change and its effects on the Bavarian Alps in the next few decades.

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I think it will become an interesting competitio, since the 2020 agenda will have an impact on the decision - the IOC will get into the position to show what it is their task for the next years...

I think Paris will emphasise that it is an athletes run bid and not that it is the capital of France - the question is if it will have the support in the public - and I have my doubts since I just saw a French poll that the support of an EXPO bid is higher than the bid for Olympic Games..

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That said, runningrings drawing the line at 1930 and saying Hamburg getting 2024 would put Germany at the same level of hosting as the US is rather arbitrary. I could also draw a line at 1980 and say that out of all major sports powers, Germany has been the only one not to host either Games since then. Granted, the various failed bids were largely incompetent, but still there is a reasoning why it should be Germany's turn soon.

Well, you have a point there: It's now been precisely 43 years since Germany has hosted the Summer Olympics and yet another 79 years since the Winter edition. Indeed, with the latter, we seriously shot ourselves in the foot with the whole referendum business - what not with the time-honoured German habit of perceiving the negatives in much starker terms than the inherent, long-term benefits.

I could equally draw an arbitrary line at, say, the end of the Second World War in 1945. Since then, Australia has hosted two editions of the Olympic Games, and by 2020 so will have Japan. Meanwhile, the United States had its hand in the Olympic cookie jar precisely four times (LA 1984, Atlanta 1996, Lake Placid 1980, Salt Lake 2002), the United Kingdom has done it twice and Canada nabbed the Olympic Games thrice. Heck, nations like Greece, Spain and Mexico have hosted since then as well.

Now look, I'm not criticizing others for putting in great bids - au contraire, many of the Olympic Games from these countries have been nothing short of memorable, well-crafted and excellently organized. Also, almost all bids since 1972 (with the notable exception of Munich 2018/22) were organized in an amateurish, disgraceful and downright unprofessional manner (yes, Berlin 2000, I'm looking at you). Yet others were, respectfully, joke bids that even Germans themselves found hard to take seriously (Berchtesgarden 1992 and Leipzig 2012 - yeah right).

Germany (and yes, Hamburg - which is the country's second-largest city, a major metropolitan agglomeration, a commercial centre, a cultural hub and besides Munich, the one city with the highest standard of living across Germany) has a lot of factors going for it. And that includes its sporting heritage, its excellence at seamlessly organizing multi-sports events, its contributions to the Olympic Movement, comparably civil labour relations, being a major tourist destination and its world-class infrastructure. Berlin would have been, at best, a VERY shaky bid: besides the lukewarm to negative attitude of Berliners to the Olympic Games (as impressively demonstrated during the 2000 bid, when they welcomed the IOC with rocks, molotow cocktails and insults), the city's economic situation is dire (with skyrocketing debt, the nation's highest welfare and unemployment rolls and a city administration that is already underfunded). Would any of you seriously place such a city in front of the International Olympic Committee? A city that doesn't even want the Olympic Games? Yeah, I didn't think so.

I think we all can forgo the not-so-novel insight that Hamburg ain't Paris - and to attempt to compare itself to Paris would be, respectfully, absurd. However, bearing all the facts in mind (and yes, I'm a man who looks at the economic and financial aspects of a host country as well), it'd be equally absurd to assume that Paris has this all sown up or that Hamburg should essentially just respectfully wait its turn to ensure that Paris gets its centennial games. Let's wait for the Paris bid's precise details (right now, all we have is a report from Le Parisien and an admittedly smooth move to appoint a real athlete à la Coe as the bid chairman). And let's see whether Hamburg even gets to the starting line, which I define as a YES victory in the referendum. Sadly, we Germans have a history of effing a good thing up when it comes to the Olympic Games - so like StefanMUC, I'm a bit of a realist on this one and will wait it out.

Finally, I love Paris and I love Hamburg. I'm fine with either winning - but I honestly can't be bothered with there being a Hamburg camp and a Paris camp for the next two years. It's just not worth it...

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The Paris 2012 bid or the Rome 2020 bid were not convincing in my point of view - they were too much spread all over the place and after the IOC's adoption of the 2020 agenda I am not sure in which direction the IOC wants to go in future. USOC understood that also with the selection of Boston. It will become very interesting what the IOC will do...

I have to agree with FYI here and say that the Parisians will certainly have taken the feedback from 2005 on board. When you lose this narrowly, you make sure you have all your i's dotted and t's crossed.

That said, Rome 2024 is spectacularly absurd - economically and financially completely unviable. Or does the IOC want to hand over another Olympic Games to a Mediterranean country which doesn't have its fiscal house (or its infrastructure) in order?

I can't imagine a scenario, with the above field, where the IOC turns their back on a solid Parisian bid yet again. Especially when not to long ago it was starting to look doubtful that Paris would even enter the 2024 fray. So this is quite a turn around that we're seeing now.

Yes, Paris is the clear odds-on favourite, but it'd be foolish to put anything beyond the capacity of the IOC - the IOC owes absolutely nothing to any of the cities concerned. So, to assume that sentimentality or a feeling of "we gotta give it to them this time, because we couldn't pick them for 2012" is a bit myopic. That's not how the IOC tends to make its decisions. Quite frankly, let's just see how the individual campaigns perform...

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I think a 2036 would inevitably come over as a 1936 remembrance event, for better or worse, especially if held in Berlin (assuming that Hamburg would not be kept as the bidder 12 years on). I personally don't feel comfortable with that idea, and I'm not sure how this would sell to the IOC. Paris 1924/2024 does not have that historic burden on its shoulders, but a Berlin/Germany centennial certainly would.

I feel the only place that could possibly mark a Berlin centennial would be Durban - a marker in the Olympic movement to see the Games in Africa a century after the horror of white supremacy.

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Yes, Paris is the clear odds-on favourite, but it'd be foolish to put anything beyond the capacity of the IOC - the IOC owes absolutely nothing to any of the cities concerned. So, to assume that sentimentality or a feeling of "we gotta give it to them this time, because we couldn't pick them for 2012" is a bit myopic. That's not how the IOC tends to make its decisions. Quite frankly, let's just see how the individual campaigns perform...

I know that. But then again, the IOC did however picked Athens, Beijing & PyeongChang after previous, respective narrow misses, especially the latter two. So while the IOC isn't exactly sentimental, PyeongChang's 2018 sentimental final presentation seemed to have won that day.

I also never said that the IOC "owes" France the Games. But like I also said in the post that you quoted (but left that part out), in a field that wouldn't be nearly as strong as the 2012 one (when Paris last bid), then I can see that aspect opening up. What would be foolish & myopic is thinking that it couldn't, again, especially in a weak field.

The Paris 2012 bid or the Rome 2020 bid were not convincing in my point of view - they were too much spread all over the place and after the IOC's adoption of the 2020 agenda I am not sure in which direction the IOC wants to go in future. USOC understood that also with the selection of Boston. It will become very interesting what the IOC will do...

I think (& so would some others here) you're giving the USOC too much credit here. Besides, if we wanna now go by agenda 2020, I don't see how a Paris 2024 bid wouldn't have many of those crucial elements when they have many facilities already in place & the infrastructure to go along with it, when Boston doesn't.

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I think it will become an interesting competitio, since the 2020 agenda will have an impact on the decision - the IOC will get into the position to show what it is their task for the next years...

I think Paris will emphasise that it is an athletes run bid and not that it is the capital of France - the question is if it will have the support in the public - and I have my doubts since I just saw a French poll that the support of an EXPO bid is higher than the bid for Olympic Games..

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Unlike Hamburg, Paris doesn't need to emphasise what kind of city it is. The whole world knows and loves Paris, all Paris has to show is how the games will fit in the city and how the city will host better than the other cities. In those regards Paris has everything going for it.

Another thing I would like to note is that both the EXPO and Olympics have high support levels and both are a year apart. Paris could host both.

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Yes, Paris is the clear odds-on favourite, but it'd be foolish to put anything beyond the capacity of the IOC - the IOC owes absolutely nothing to any of the cities concerned. So, to assume that sentimentality or a feeling of "we gotta give it to them this time, because we couldn't pick them for 2012" is a bit myopic. That's not how the IOC tends to make its decisions. Quite frankly, let's just see how the individual campaigns perform...

I don't think sentimentality or past history is involved here. We know the IOC likes their big name cities. Paris is about as big name is it gets. The last time they put forth a bid, they had 50 out of 104 voters who picked them in the final round. That's certainly not a guarantee the support is still there, but it's a pretty good indication that the IOC would be enticed by a bid from Paris. They still have to earn it though which means putting together a strong bid, but I feel confident they can do that.

That said, as far as past history is concerned, look at Paris's 3 previous losses. 1 was in a bid that was clearly rigged in favor of another city. 1 was a matter of bad timing where they probably shouldn't have expected to win. And the 3rd was tantalizingly close to a win but they wind up losing to another of Europe's most recognizable cities.

So look at 2024.. no polticial will pointed towards another city. The timing seems pretty ideal this time around. And no competition from the likes of a city like London. I agree with you totally that Paris will not win based on the idea that the IOC owes them this one. But if Paris has the goods (and at this point, I'd say it's a decent bet that they will), the circumstances are lining up well for them where they didn't for them in prior bids.

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I think (& so would some others here) you're giving the USOC too much credit here. Besides, if we wanna now go by agenda 2020, I don't see how a Paris 2024 bid wouldn't have many of those crucial elements when they have many facilities already in place & the infrastructure to go along with it, when Boston doesn't.

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Add on the fact that Paris is a global city know around the world and more revered than Boston.

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Of course I know that Paris and Rome are two great metropoles, but I do know as well what Hamburg is able to to. The concept of Hamburg is fantastic and therefore I want to see the concept of the other biding cities first, before I say that is a good bid.

The Paris 2012 bid or the Rome 2020 bid were not convincing in my point of view - they were too much spread all over the place and after the IOC's adoption of the 2020 agenda I am not sure in which direction the IOC wants to go in future. USOC understood that also with the selection of Boston. It will become very interesting what the IOC will do...

With all due respect to Hamburg.. it's not Paris. I say that as a somewhat arrogant New Yorker, but in a similar vein to the 2022 bid (and I don't mean to compare Hamburg and Paris to Beijing and Almaty), this could be one of those situations where the bigger brand wins out even if the other city has a better concept. And as we keep saying, be careful where you're invoking Agenda 2020 because you're right, we have no idea how the IOC will take that into account.

It's debatable whether or not Agenda 2020 factored into the USOC's decision. They wanted a city in the population center of the Northeast and apparently were intrigued by the plan, but as noted, let's not give the USOC too much credit here since they picked a city that currently lacks support and needs to improve upon that or else they're dead in the water. At the end of the day though, this is still the IOC we're talking about. It's probably not a coincidence that recent host cities have included the likes of London and Beijing and Sydney and Tokyo. They like their big cities and until we see a vote that demonstrates that is no longer the case, I'm figuring there's a good chance they continue along those lines.

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Unlike Hamburg, Paris doesn't need to emphasise what kind of city it is. The whole world knows and loves Paris, all Paris has to show is how the games will fit in the city and how the city will host better than the other cities. In those regards Paris has everything going for it.

Another thing I would like to note is that both the EXPO and Olympics have high support levels and both are a year apart. Paris could host both.

I completely concede the name recognition issue - but such sweeping statements and snide remarks don't necessarily come across as supporting your city's case. For instance, I know a fair bit of people who prefer London over Paris, and vice versa. I love both cities, but don't automatically assume that "the whole world" LOVES them. Tastes and preferences differ.

Paris, just like all the other Candidate Cities, will have to work to win the bidding process - and you can be sure that no quarter will be given by the other teams, especially given that they are all aware of Paris' prohibitive favourite status. They'll have to be more creative, more cunning and more adept at winning over the IOC. Is it gonna be difficult? You bet! Is it impossible? Absolutely not.

But prohibitive favourites have a funny way of falling sometimes - so, I wouldn't quite get out the champagne (personally, I prefer crémant) just yet. But yeah, I prefer leaving the sweeping generalizations in the cupboard. Cheers!

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I completely concede the name recognition issue - but such sweeping statements and snide remarks don't necessarily come across as supporting your city's case. For instance, I know a fair bit of people who prefer London over Paris, and vice versa. I love both cities, but don't automatically assume that "the whole world" LOVES them. Tastes and preferences differ.

Paris, just like all the other Candidate Cities, will have to work to win the bidding process - and you can be sure that no quarter will be given by the other teams, especially given that they are all aware of Paris' prohibitive favourite status. They'll have to be more creative, more cunning and more adept at winning over the IOC. Is it gonna be difficult? You bet! Is it impossible? Absolutely not.

But prohibitive favourites have a funny way of falling sometimes - so, I wouldn't quite get out the champagne (personally, I prefer crémant) just yet. But yeah, I prefer leaving the sweeping generalizations in the cupboard. Cheers!

Sweeping generalizations nice argument with that one my friend. Cheers!

Hamburg has to explain and promote themselves, introduce the city to the world. Sure maybe their strategy will win, I doubt it, but it's a strong possibility. Still, like Boston, the international image will be a hard argument to make, especially against two of some of the worlds most well known and loved cities; Paris and Rome. And making sweeping generalizations will not change that.

One thing I will say is in Hamburgs favor is public support. You guys want the games and that's great, but does the city have the ability to promote itself as a better place then Paris to hold the games. I will be making my first visits to all bidding cities except Boston this summer so I'm look forward to exploring Hamburg.

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Sweeping generalizations nice argument with that one my friend. Cheers!

Hamburg has to explain and promote themselves, introduce the city to the world. Sure maybe their strategy will win, I doubt it, but it's a strong possibility. Still, like Boston, the international image will be a hard argument to make, especially against two of some of the worlds most well known and loved cities; Paris and Rome. And making sweeping generalizations will not change that.

One thing I will say is in Hamburgs favor is public support. You guys want the games and that's great, but does the city have the ability to promote itself as a better place then Paris to hold the games. I will be making my first visits to all bidding cities except Boston this summer so I'm look forward to exploring Hamburg.

Rome 2024 won't happen - the IOC won't be bothered with the narrative of another Mediterranean country with a severe lack of fiscal discipline getting the Olympic Games...and the Olympic Movement being blamed for when Italy's economy implodes (as it is poised to, just look at the debt ratio, declining levels of productivity, rising unemployment, the massive fiscal deficit...). So let's cast Rome aside.

Boston is increasingly becoming a joke, given its low approval ratings on part of Bostonians themselves. Fair to say that unless these figures improve, this bid will be quite simply a losing proposition.

Concerning Hamburg, let's wait and watch whether the YES carries the referendum - as I hope. In case it does, let's talk about your impressions of Hamburg once you're back from your trip. As a German, I'd be quite interested in your views about our second city once you've seen it, and I hope you'll be charmed by it as many others visiting from foreign shores.

Hamburg may very well lose against Paris, and if so - hey, it's no disgrace to lose against one of the world's most recognizable cities. This is merely their first bid, and they have absolutely nothing to lose.

Anyway, let's not make this personal, shall we? Surely we can disagree on our assessment of facts without being disagreeable. I, for one, have no interest engaging in some stupid feud about whose city is better.

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Hamburg may very well lose against Paris, and if so - hey, it's no disgrace to lose against one of the world's most recognizable cities. This is merely their first bid, and they have absolutely nothing to lose.

Here you go. That is why, as a French, and a parisien, I want Paris to get those Games. If Hamburg does, I would be happy for them, BUT, would be very upset with the IOC. Paris did bid three times before, and got nothing. If, Hamburg, get those Games, it will be the third Summer Olympic Games held in Germany since the last Summer Olympic Games held in France. Know what I mean here?

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I completely concede the name recognition issue - but such sweeping statements and snide remarks don't necessarily come across as supporting your city's case. For instance, I know a fair bit of people who prefer London over Paris, and vice versa. I love both cities, but don't automatically assume that "the whole world" LOVES them. Tastes and preferences differ.

Paris, just like all the other Candidate Cities, will have to work to win the bidding process - and you can be sure that no quarter will be given by the other teams, especially given that they are all aware of Paris' prohibitive favourite status. They'll have to be more creative, more cunning and more adept at winning over the IOC. Is it gonna be difficult? You bet! Is it impossible? Absolutely not.

But prohibitive favourites have a funny way of falling sometimes - so, I wouldn't quite get out the champagne (personally, I prefer crémant) just yet. But yeah, I prefer leaving the sweeping generalizations in the cupboard. Cheers!

Sweeping generalizations nice argument with that one my friend. Cheers!

Hamburg has to explain and promote themselves, introduce the city to the world. Sure maybe their strategy will win, I doubt it, but it's a strong possibility. Still, like Boston, the international image will be a hard argument to make, especially against two of some of the worlds most well known and loved cities; Paris and Rome. And making sweeping generalizations will not change that.

One thing I will say is in Hamburgs favor is public support. You guys want the games and that's great, but does the city have the ability to promote itself as a better place then Paris to hold the games. I will be making my first visits to all bidding cities except Boston this summer so I'm look forward to exploring Hamburg.

Rome 2024 won't happen - the IOC won't be bothered with the narrative of another Mediterranean country with a severe lack of fiscal discipline getting the Olympic Games...and the Olympic Movement being blamed for when Italy's economy implodes (as it is poised to, just look at the debt ratio, declining levels of productivity, rising unemployment, the massive fiscal deficit...). So let's cast Rome aside.

Boston is increasingly becoming a joke, given its low approval ratings on part of Bostonians themselves. Fair to say that unless these figures improve, this bid will be quite simply a losing proposition.

Concerning Hamburg, let's wait and watch whether the YES carries the referendum - as I hope. In case it does, let's talk about your impressions of Hamburg once you're back from your trip. As a German, I'd be quite interested in your views about our second city once you've seen it, and I hope you'll be charmed by it as many others visiting from foreign shores.

Hamburg may very well lose against Paris, and if so - hey, it's no disgrace to lose against one of the world's most recognizable cities. This is merely their first bid, and they have absolutely nothing to lose.

Anyway, let's not make this personal, shall we? Surely we can disagree on our assessment of facts without being disagreeable. I, for one, have no interest engaging in some stupid feud about whose city is better.

What an interesting generalization.

Also, I'm not from Paris I'm from Falken Gesas, Germany and grew up in the states.

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You know, I think of all those French people who were born in the 1920's, De Coubertin was still alive, and they hoped to see Summer Games being held in France again. Well, nope. They're all dead now. And that didn't happen.

Bu yeeeeeah, I know, this is not how the IOC works. Oh well. Paris being a favourite for 2024 is NOT a good thing. Rember 2012...

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Yeah, I agree with what your saying. Hamburg has a chance and being from Germany makes it stronger IMO then Romes.


You know, I think of all those French people who were born in the 1920's, De Coubertin was still alive, and they hoped to see Summer Games being held in France again. Well, nope. They're all dead now. And that didn't happen.

Bu yeeeeeah, I know, this is not how the IOC works. Oh well. Paris being a favourite for 2024 is NOT a good thing. Rember 2012...

That's depressing.

Actually it's a very good thing. Beijing was a favorite in 2008, Athens in 2004, Barcelona in 1992, Rio 2016, Tokyo in 2020, I can go on. It's that rare occasion when the second city narrowly beats the favorite and the most recent cases I can think of would be Atlanta 1996, Sydney 2000, and London 2012. Paris being a favorite in this bid race is a very good thing for them.

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Ahaha sorry, it's just that I feel like I'm gonna be like one of those person. I will die before I get to see Summer Olympics in my country.

I don't earn a lot, I can't really afford to go to very far countries when they host Olympic Games (flight tickets, hotel, food, OG tickets, etc.), so I feel like Paris 2024 would be my only shot at it.


Yes, cities that bidded before like Beijing, Rio, Pyeongchang, Tokyo all managed to get the Games in the end. Yet, look at Madrid. Though I think it was foolish of Spain to bid again so early after the 1992 Games (they did bid for Madrid 2012, right? 20 years after Barcelona 1992).


20 years in terms of Olympic Games is NOTHING. It's like months. Yes I'm looking at you, the US.

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What an interesting generalization.

Also, I'm not from Paris I'm from Falken Gesas, Germany and grew up in the states.

Again, there's no need for this type of hostility. Despite your willingness to take this down to the gutter of personal attacks and negativity, I won't accept your invitation to do so. Sorry, you'll have to look elsewhere for the fight you so seem to crave.

Getting to the actual substance of things: Can you explain how Boston does not increasingly look like an unviable bid for USOC? Approval ratings of 35% don't usually bode too well - and it's one of the scoring criteria the IOC uses. Or do you seriously want to dispute that view?

Concerning Rome: The economy is an important factor when the hosting decision is made, hence why the IOC includes that as one its criteria as well. I have backed up my views with actual evidence on several occasions, as, you know, it's not my habit to talk out of my backside. You've chosen to ignore the facts and make yet another snippy remark. Then again, if I provided detailed and concrete evidence, you'd probably complain about it being too long to read or being an essay...especially as there is tons of evidence to back up the view that Rome is quite simply an untenable candidate to host the Olympic Games in 2024.

Ahaha sorry, it's just that I feel like I'm gonna be like one of those person. I will die before I get to see Summer Olympics in my country.

20 years in terms of Olympic Games is NOTHING. It's like months. Yes I'm looking at you, the US.

I can imagine - well, Paris is my second preference city. And if a German city wasn't in the race, it'd be my first. So if we don't get it, I hope you do.

Yep, America has had its turn. Time for other countries now...

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Yeah, I agree with what your saying. Hamburg has a chance and being from Germany makes it stronger IMO then Romes.

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