StefanMUC Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 The referendum is today NDR - live blog about the referendum (in german) The polling station will be closed at 6 p.m. (CET) today - the first results shall be announced around 6.30 p.m.. NDR = Norddeutscher Rundfunk (North German Broadcasting Corp.) Reminds me of the BR liveblog almost exactly two years ago. Wishing you a better outcome :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citius Altius Fortius Posted November 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Reminds me of the BR liveblog almost exactly two years ago. Wishing you a better outcome :-) I am quite excited and nervous - I hope we will get a majority... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshi Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Is it binding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cube Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 fingers crossed, the outcome of the Poll is so important not just for 2024, it´s important for future Bids as well (if Hamburg not gonna host in 2024) (If Hamburg turns down a Bid, there is no chance to win a Poll in Berlin for future bids) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citius Altius Fortius Posted November 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Is it binding? It is binding... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Good luck Hamburg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 It seems that at least in Hamburg, there's a high turnout so far. Kiel as sailing venue has its own referendum where the turnout is much lower until now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plusbrilliantsexploits Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 It seems that at least in Hamburg, there's a high turnout so far. Kiel as sailing venue has its own referendum where the turnout is much lower until now. According to the last few opinion polls, around 55 per cent of Hamburg citizens appear to support the Olympic bid. That said, the comparably low turnout (only 48% until 17:00, presumably due to the unremittant rain today - this figure includes postal ballots). Essentially, this will come down to which side had the better groundgame in terms of mobilizing its supporters to get out and vote. I think we're in for a long night and a narrow outcome. The margin of victory (should it actually be a "Yes" - and given that NIMBYs are particularly strong in Germany, I'm reserving judgment for now) will determine whether Hamburg's bid will be seen as possessing convincing support. One last thing: As a German, I can only shake my head about non-voters throwing away the opportunity to cast their ballot in the referendum. Hamburg citizens were given an opportunity that most Olympic applicant cities never get - quite frankly, in light of all the recent discussions about the IOC handing the Olympics to efficient dictatorships like China and Russia, this sort of low turnout lays waste to any moralizing that some among us Germans love to lord over the rest of the world. A wasted opportunity, regardless of the outcome - and an utter disgrace, considering that there are millions who literally fight and die for the right to cast a secret ballot. PS: For those interested in the actual results, the Hamburg city government's department of the interior will keep a tally here. *"the comparably low turnout is a cause for concern" (line 2) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athan Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Thanks for the link to follow the results! It seems "Nein" is leading by just 500 votes approximately. It's going to be very close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cube Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Rund 40.000 Stimmen sind in Hamburg ausgezählt. Der Stand: 49,2 Prozent Ja, 50,8 Prozent Nein. from NDR.de 40.000 votes are counted 49,2% YES 50,8% NO Kiel has the first district counted and there been 70% YES but they had a low turnout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Uhm, a 50% turnout is better than at the last Hamburg election, and much higher than in Munich two years ago. It's a close call indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plusbrilliantsexploits Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Thanks for the link to follow the results! It seems "Nein" is leading by just 500 votes approximately. It's going to be very close. Damn! That said, the leading polling institute in Germany has just published an exit poll (sample of around 3,800 respondents): YES leads 56-44 (go to 18:03). The question reads: "Shall Hamburg apply for the Olympic Games?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cube Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 damn, dosen´t look good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plusbrilliantsexploits Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Uhm, a 50% turnout is better than at the last Hamburg election, and much higher than in Munich two years ago. It's a close call indeed. Still disgraceful that half of Hamburg's population couldn't get off its backside to cast a simple ballot - and those will be the first ones moaning and effing about every single aspect of the bid and (should Hamburg actually win) the implemenation of the Games plan. Failing to vote is pretty much inexcusable, especially considering that Germany did sufer from two dictatorships on its soil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athan Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 "No" leads by almost 2000 votes (51,2-48,8) right now. Still many votes to be counted though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cube Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 the YES is getting less and less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plusbrilliantsexploits Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Even if the YES pulls it off somehow, it's gonna be a less-than-convincing victory. Clearly, the YES camp's get-out-the-vote operation was way off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plusbrilliantsexploits Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 The city's mayor has pushed back his press conference (originally planned for 19:30 CET) to sometime after 20:00. Guess the city government didn't expect this kind of result at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daze Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 It´s again a fu***** shame Germany!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Kiel seems to have a solid 2/3 Yes at least. So sailing can go ahead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatinXTC Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Kiel seems to have a solid 2/3 Yes at least. So sailing can go ahead... If Hamburg voted Yes and Kiel voted No, would that have really made a difference in the bid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daze Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Kiel seems to have a solid 2/3 Yes at least. So sailing can go ahead... The Olympics in LA and the sailing in Kiel! That´s it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 If Hamburg voted Yes and Kiel voted No, would that have really made a difference in the bid? Yes, then Hamburg would have picked another sailing venue. In the Munich 2022 referendum, it was always clear that the bid would be off if only one of the four locations voted no. In the end of course all four did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plusbrilliantsexploits Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 If Hamburg voted Yes and Kiel voted No, would that have really made a difference in the bid? Not sure about that one, but I suspect Hamburg would merely need to shop around for another city willing to do the sailing events. It'd be bit of a "tail wagging the dog" situation if Kiel could prevent Hamburg from bidding despite a YES in Hamburg - at the moment, for various reasons, this appears to be an academic question. Another aside re: the incoming results: Sadly, the city government isn't tabulating the results district-by-district. It'd be interesting to know whether poorer and wealthy areas of Hamburg differ in terms of turnout and support. It´s again a fu***** shame Germany!! Yep, seems like us Germans can't see a good thing when it's right in front of us...utterly laughable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Let's be real: Even if the Yes side wins after all, there's still Paris, LA and Euro 2024 going against it. Might have held people back as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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