Citius Altius Fortius Posted June 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Very innovative legacy idea, though I don't suppose the athletics lobby within the IOC will love it. Also, from remembering back to London 2012, our stadium was planned to have no roof initially, but wind studies showed it created conditions which were not ideal for athletes so a small one was installed. Obviously these are very early renders from Hamburg (thanks for posting them!) but I wouldn't be surprised to see a roof appear if Germany is successful. You are right these are very early renders - the senate (government) of Hamburg asked several architect bureaus to get get more into the details of the Olympic Park concept. At 7 p.m. four different plans are released for discussion with the citizens NDR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ailokin Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Here are some other ideas for the stadium - this time with a decent roof. For the olympic use: The swimming pool: One of the currently four discussed scenarios for the central "Olympic City" within the habour including the olympic stadium, olympic dome and swim arena, plus the athlete's village etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citius Altius Fortius Posted June 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Welcome to the boards Ailokin! Had you been to the event in the Magnus Hall yesterday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 One of the currently four discussed scenarios for the central "Olympic City" within the habour including the olympic stadium, olympic dome and swim arena, plus the athlete's village etc. Re that configuration above. I don't think it will fly with the IOC. It is too insulated and inaccessible from half the island. The present access and egress points seem to be more choke-points rather than access paths. The cluster should be accessible from all sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarkSnow2012 Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Re that configuration above. I don't think it will fly with the IOC. It is too insulated and inaccessible from half the island. The present access and egress points seem to be more choke-points rather than access paths. The cluster should be accessible from all sides. But you don't want to overdo access these days. Security costs are one of the big inflation factors in Olympic budgets, and it's probably more efficient to have a few large access points rather than several small ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Re that configuration above. I don't think it will fly with the IOC. It is too insulated and inaccessible from half the island. The present access and egress points seem to be more choke-points rather than access paths. The cluster should be accessible from all sides. Is it that much different from what Rio is doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Is it that much different from what Rio is doing? Considerably. Rio has most of its major venues spread out amongst the 4 clusters. If you're talking about the Rio Olympic park, what do they have in that new cluster? For the major 4 sports - just basketball I think? The Hamburg plan has both the Olympic stadium and the Swim Hall (that's 2 of the top 4 sports) set off in that little island. So yeah, going by past considerations of the IOC, I would say that would be a worry point for them. Now, not unless they have relaxed their modes of thinking now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citius Altius Fortius Posted June 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 NDR - Olympic City could look like this in Hamburg The link is a short video about the information event yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Considerably. Rio has most of its major venues spread out amongst the 4 clusters. If you're talking about the Rio Olympic park, what do they have in that new cluster? For the major 4 sports - just basketball I think? The Hamburg plan has both the Olympic stadium and the Swim Hall (that's 2 of the top 4 sports) set off in that little island. So yeah, going by past considerations of the IOC, I would say that would be a worry point for them. Now, not unless they have relaxed their modes of thinking now... Swimming and Athletics are not held in parallel anyway, at least not in tecent Olympics, so you wouldn't have to get crowds for both going through the same - limited - access points anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Swimming and Athletics are not held in parallel anyway, at least not in tecent Olympics, so you wouldn't have to get crowds for both going through the same - limited - access points anyway. Oly Stadium will be busy for the nearly entire 17 days (what with T&F, all the Ceremony activity; and maybe the football finals as well?). Swimming (and/or diving if it's going to be held in that same natatorium?) runs over 10 days. So obviously, there will be at least 10 days overlapping with full activity. Plus, what is that 3rd venue there? And T&F will also have the largest broadcast contingent, logistically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorchbearerSydney Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 You could probably throw a couple of temporary pedestrian bridges across the water to improve access - and particularly exit from venues. That would be needed by the look of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citius Altius Fortius Posted June 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 The presidents of the different German sports federations meet in Hamburg today to talk about the different needs for the Olympic Sports, the bid book as well as a trip to the proposed area for the Olympic Park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ailokin Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 A preliminary decision reagarding the layout of the "Olympic City" in the harbour area has been made (the final decision will be presented on 23 June): in particular the aquatic center (Schwimmhalle) moved away from the main island. The olympic dome for basketball etc. ("Olympiahalle") will be transformed into a terminal for cruise ships, while the post-game use of the olympic stadium and the aquatic center are still under debate. The IBC/MPC is on an area which houses active companies that still have to be persuaded to leave this area... BTW: Michel Platini (head of UEFA) mentioned today that Germanys chances for running the Euro 2024 will be rather small in the case the Hamburg would get the right for hosting the Olympics in 2024 (here an article in english: http://www.sport24.co.za/Soccer/International/Germanys-Euro-Olympic-double-in-doubt-20150609).Nothing new... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 . .. Oh, so THREE of the top 4 summer Oly sports, the Oly Village and the IBC are ALL going to be situated in that island -- with only 3 or 4 major access paths? Hmmmm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citius Altius Fortius Posted June 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Oh, so THREE of the top 4 summer Oly sports, the Oly Village and the IBC are ALL going to be situated in that island -- with only 3 or 4 major access paths? Hmmmm.... well - I wonder how many major access paths were in the previous host cities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 well - I wonder how many major access paths were in the previous host cities? Martin, I don't recall situations (say, of the last 4 or 5 Summer Games) where 3 of the most major venues (remember these are the main Oly Stadium, swimming AND basketball) were situated on an island and had limited access routes. The ONLY top 4 sports missing there is Gymnastics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman617 Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 While limited access points may be good for security/access purposes in the normal operation of the site, they could also be a concern for security/access purposes in case of an emergency. I would imagine that planners must be making sure access points would be of a decent enough size for mass evacuations and/or emergency vehicle access should that need arise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ailokin Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 I am sure that mass evacuation plans are under consideration especially after the Loveparade desaster 2010 in Duisburg with many fatalities (many partygoers died in this event because there was a fatal bottleneck in the escape corridors). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cube Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 but i guess hardly all 3 venues will be in use at the same time like Athletics and swim events clash just a few days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafa Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 Who can forget Leipzig?? LEIPZIG!! LEIPZIG!!! I certainly can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 I certainly can't. You're not forgotten either. Good to see you call in mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord David Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Who can forget Leipzig?? LEIPZIG!! LEIPZIG!!! Horrific Leipzig - let that disgrace be forgotten asap... A misguided attempt to rejuvenate Eastern Germany. Just because you have the baseline score thanks to what you already have is simply not enough. Besides, with so many European bidders for 2012, they had to remove the weakest one. Which of course was Leipzig. They should have gone with a much stronger Berlin bid, drawing from experience in their 2000 bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citius Altius Fortius Posted June 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Today is another workshop - how the Olympic Park can be used after the Games Wir sind Feuer und Flamme - Kleiner Grasbrook: Es wird konkreter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafa Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 You're not forgotten either. Good to see you call in mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citius Altius Fortius Posted June 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Some more details of the Olympic ParkNDR - Masterplan for Olympic City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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