mr.bernham Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 I just started my holidays in Croatia, sonotmuch time to go in depth, but it's all nice and well, but we've been at this stage with Munich before. Get a positive referendum (not before spring 2015) and then we're talking. I think the referendum is happening in a few weeks while the interest is high and the NO camp does not have much time to beat the bid down. The DOSB wants to pick the city by the end of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usa2024olympics Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 Does anyone know if the plans for berlin are going public? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.bernham Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 Does anyone know if the plans for berlin are going public? Did you not look @ pg. 5? I have the links and venue plan map up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usa2024olympics Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 Oh whoops I only looked at the map, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citius Altius Fortius Posted September 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 The "questionnaire" of the Hamburg bid is online (sorry it is in German, but you will get an impression): Hamburg.de - Perspektiven einer zukünftigen Olympiabewerbung Here even better - the pdf-file of the questionnaire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.bernham Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 The "questionnaire" of the Hamburg bid is online (sorry it is in German, but you will get an impression): Hamburg.de - Perspektiven einer zukünftigen Olympiabewerbung Here even better - the pdf-file of the questionnaire Danke! Nice bid from Hamburg and it appears that only small changes have been done since their 2012 proposal. Overall the bid is very nice and from what I could gather the bid appears to work well. The maps also provide a nicely detailed look into the bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usa2024olympics Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 I don't speak German, but i can kinda tell that it looks like Hamburgs file is more detailed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.bernham Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 I don't speak German, but i can kinda tell that it looks like Hamburgs file is more detailed From what I could see, Berlin gave a breakdown of each 'cluster'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 I think the referendum is happening in a few weeks while the interest is high and the NO camp does not have much time to beat the bid down. The DOSB wants to pick the city by the end of the year. A referendum cannot be organised overnight, and DOSB can just as well wait with nominations until next year anyway. You think it will increase support for a bid if a referendum is rushed through and the NO camp will just swallow it? Surely not. The NO camp was going strong all through the Munich 2018 bid, and I'm 100% sure it would be very visible during a Hamburg and certainly a Berlin bid too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.bernham Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 A referendum cannot be organised overnight, and DOSB can just as well wait with nominations until next year anyway. You think it will increase support for a bid if a referendum is rushed through and the NO camp will just swallow it? Surely not. The NO camp was going strong all through the Munich 2018 bid, and I'm 100% sure it would be very visible during a Hamburg and certainly a Berlin bid too. No, but it gives the NO camp less time to organize a full offense on the bid itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 No, but it gives the NO camp less time to organize a full offense on the bid itself. Sorry, but you still don't get it. A positive referendum would not stop the quite vocal opposition, they would be active right up until the IOC votes. I wouldn't even exclude the option of trying to force a Denver 76 scenario if the IOC were to give the Games to Berlin (or pess likely, Hamburg). Oslo had a positive referendum before bidding, and look where it is now. I don't know why you're so focussed on Germany, but you shouldn't count you chicken yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord David Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 There was a NO camp for the 2002 Quebec City bid, for the obvious reason of what Montreal 1976 ended up as, as well as the fact that there was a referendum heading the Province's way. They didn't want such a Games, even if it meant the possibility of promoting a potential new nation (and much symbolism of the old transferring to the new). That NO camp was active until the vote. I guess they were happy when Quebec lost. Such a camp will happen again when Quebec bids again, but even the protestors won't stop a Games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.bernham Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Sorry, but you still don't get it. A positive referendum would not stop the quite vocal opposition, they would be active right up until the IOC votes. I wouldn't even exclude the option of trying to force a Denver 76 scenario if the IOC were to give the Games to Berlin (or pess likely, Hamburg). Oslo had a positive referendum before bidding, and look where it is now. I don't know why you're so focussed on Germany, but you shouldn't count you chicken yet. Oh, I see what your talking about now. I was talking about the NO camps influence on a very early referendum being low, but long term I guess their presence could be felt and ultimately hurt the bid like it has done to Oslo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandrosis Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 kinda reminds me of tokyo 2016 huh this is hamburg's plan by the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Following today's Euro 2020 decision, which implies that Germany will get Euro 2024, all media commentators I have seen say that any chance for Olympics here in 2024 is dead. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Coast Lions Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Which will sit well for the IOC and EURO that Los Angeles USA if the USOC bidding city will most likely get the 2024 Summer OP Games then Germany can host EURO 2024 then Berlin Germany could very likely host the 2028 Summer OP Games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Following today's Euro 2020 decision, which implies that Germany will get Euro 2024, all media commentators I have seen say that any chance for Olympics here in 2024 is dead. I agree. Certainly seems probable. I'm ok with that. It will be time to go back to Germany soon, but 2022 would've fit much better in the rotation than 2024. I'm sure we'll see more German Games before too much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citius Altius Fortius Posted September 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2014 my god this video gives me goosebumps - it translates the atmosphere of the city into a video - perfect for Olympic Games: Hamburg, ist die Hälfte von Zwei, (Hamburg, is the half of two) Die Schönste, die Nummer 1, das Gelbe vom Ei. (The most beautiful, the number 1, the yellow of an egg)Ich schwimme durchs Land, ich tauch’ ein in die Stadt, (I swim through the country, I dive into the city)Mal mit der Flut, mal gegen den Strom, (sometimes with the flood, sometimes against the stream)Vor mir die Sonne, hinter mir der Mond, (the sun in front of me, the moon in my back)Alles bleibt anders, doch das sind wir gewohnt. (Everything stays different, but we are used to it.)Die Geschichte im Schlepptau, die Zukunft im Blick (The history in tow, the future kept in our eyes)Ein globaler Ort, ein lokales Wort, das hält, was es verspricht, (A global place, a local word, which holds, what it promise)Eine Stadt im Aufbruch, eine Stadt von Welt (A city on the go, a city of the world)Eine Stadt die gern arbeitet, auch an sich selbst. (A city, which likes to work, on itself too)Wind im Rücken, Land in Sicht, (Wind in the back, land in sight)Salzige Luft, volle Segel, Lust auf Meer, (Salty air, all sails, lust for the sea)Lust auf Hinz, Lust auf Kunst, (Lust for Rag, Tag and lust for bobtail - the german phrase is different bobtail is exchanged with the word for "art")Lust auf alt, Lust auf neu, Lust auf „oh“, Lust auf „yeah“. (Lust for the old, lust for the new, lust for "ohhh", lust for "yeah")Nenn es klassisch, nenn es modern, nenn es retro (call it classic, call it modern, call it retro)Nenn es wie du willst, Hauptsache nicht geht so, (call it whatever you like, but do not start with "well")Denn irgendwo zwischen schön-schmuddelig und gut-bürgerlich, (Since somewhere between dingy and white bread)Gibt es einen Ort, doch für den reichen diese Wörter nicht. (is a place, for which these words are not enough)Der Grund, warum hier Menschen gern leben, (The reason, why people love to live here)Weil die Leute erst fühlen, dann denken, dann reden, (Since the people feel and think first, before they talk)Denn das Leben ist nicht dasselbe, (Since life is not the same)Hier im Norden an der Elbe. (Here in the North at the banks of the river Elbe/Alster) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 So apparently it's official: DOSB decided today to bid for 2024, and if necessary possibly also 2028. The city (Berlin or Hamburg) will be determined on 21st March 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 That gets a big LIKE from me. Hopefully the public will get behind a bid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 I'm sure whichever city has the LEAST amount of public protest would likely be heavily favored. So as of now, looks like the real serious players, at least considering a 2024 bid, are the USOC & the DOSB. It's starting to finally get less blurry for the 2024 race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.bernham Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 That gets a big LIKE from me. Hopefully the public will get behind a bid! Me too Rob, me too. I'm sure whichever city has the LEAST amount of public protest would likely be heavily favored. So as of now, looks like the real serious players, at least considering a 2024 bid, are the USOC & the DOSB. It's starting to finally get less blurry for the 2024 race. "I can see clearly now the rain is gone" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman617 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 If Berlin gets into this, I'd view them as the strongest candidate. Not unbeatable, of course, but after reunification, not hosting since Munich in '72, and being one of the strongest Olympic powerhouses, I think they'd be the ones to beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p85 Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Several Polish media outlets stated recently that the city of Szczecin might be a proposed venue for sailing in 2024 Berlin SOG bid Sounds like hoax, but...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Several Polish media outlets stated recently that the city of Szczecin might be a proposed venue for sailing in 2024 Berlin SOG bid Sounds like hoax, but...? No offense to Szczecin and the principle idea of a German/Polish bid, but Rostock (for a Berlin bid), Lübeck or Kiel (again as in 72, both of them for a Hamburg bid) would be perfect domestic choices already, so there's no real need to go abroad. Especially when all we have from the IOC is some nice words about opening up to multi-national bids, when in reality we haven't seen the true test yet by letting such a bid win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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