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8 hours ago, TorchbearerSydney said:

As strange as it seems I could see an Australian City- Melbourne, Sydney or Adelaide stepping in if needed for 2022......2 Aussie Games in a row would not be ideal for the Commonwealth Movement though

How about keeping them in Gold Coast? One of the suggestions I've seen for lowering the cost for Olympics-esc games is to have each city host twice in a row. Yes, there are problems with what to do with the infrastructure for four years... but that's a smaller problem than rebuilding it in a new city. 

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Durban’s Commonwealth Games hopes in jeopardy

Durban’s chances of hosting the 2022 Commonwealth Games, which has been placed in serious doubt recently, will be made known next year.

The Commonwealth Games Federation, announced Saturday that it would make its final decision on whether Durban would remain host in six weeks’ time. 

The city won the right in September 2015, but that has been placed in jeopardy because it failed to provide preliminary guarantees and obligations within certain time frames.

The SA Sports Confederation and Olympic Committee (Sascoc) and the government were given until November 30 to resolve the outstanding criteria.

Those issues included financial and other governance guarantees, the establishment of a local organising committee, accommodation of athletes and technical issues related to sporting venues.

It has been estimated that the games would cost R6.4billion, and the government was expected to provide the required backing for Africa’s first shot at the staging of this event.

But the spin-offs from Durban hosting the games were a projected profit margin of R20bn, the event would draw 1.4 million visitors and around 11000 jobs would be created.

Martin Reynolds, the federation’s communications head, said the criteria were the same for all host cities. It outlined the partnership approach between the federation, the host city and the nation to ensure a successful Games and an enduring legacy.

“The original deadline has long since passed. So, while remaining committed to the inspiring potential of a Commonwealth Games in Durban, the General Assembly, at its meeting in Edmonton, Canada, in October 2016, approved a motion to implement a final deadline of November 30 for Durban to resolve all outstanding matters in relation to its bid,” revealed Reynolds.

He said once the federation received from Durban its final submissions on or before November 30, it would evaluate the submissions thoroughly and then make a final recommendation to the federation’s executive board on Durban’s ability to host the Games.

Sascoc could not be reached for comment at the time of publication, while the Department of Sport and Recreation refused to comment until submission had been made to the federation.

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So we'll know in january. Any insights or updates Dysan?

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I've now found the full article relating to those Twitter posts above....

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DURBAN’s dream of hosting the 2022 Commonwealth Games will die this week unless the government drastically overhauls its stance on staging the showpiece, sports administrators have warned.

They accuse Sport Minister Fikile Mbalula’s ministry of hijacking the process and say little progress has been made in talks with the Commonwealth Games Federation (CGF).

Wednesday is the deadline for South African authorities responsible for Durban 2022 to appease the London-based CGF, although a decision will be announced much later, possibly only early in 2017.

SA Sports Confederation and Olympic Committee (Sascoc) president Gideon Sam was doubtful of Durban’s chances. “[If] the issues that they’re asking us to reconsider are not negotiable, then I don’t think we are going to [get it],” he said yesterday.

There were three sticking points, according to a senior Sascoc official wanting to remain anonymous. One was the method of delivery. “The government here says all the monies will be in the various departments — health, the police and so on.

“So if you want security, it will come through from the police. So if you’re the LOC [Local Organising Committee], you’ll have to go knock on the door there . . .

“That’s not the delivery model of the CGF and they say [they] are never going to agree to that.”

The second issue was the relocation of the athletes’ village, as well as its downgrading to low-cost housing to be built by the Department of Human Settlements, said the sources.

The third element was about who was responsible for running Durban 2022, with government allegedly wanting the ministries of Sport and Recreation and Arts and Culture to drive the process.

Sascoc officials said the LOC was supposed to be spearheaded by the national Commonwealth Games Association — Sascoc in SA — with representatives from the various tiers of government.

“The DG [director-general of Sport and Recreation, Alec Moemi] says, ‘no, it’s going to be run by government’,” said one official.

A CGF official said the international body was unlikely to bend on these issues.

“From what I hear . . . if they [Durban] can’t come to the party, we will recommend that they postpone their bid.”

Sascoc spent nearly R120-million on its bid for the Games, awarded to Durban in September last year. The total capital cost of the Games was estimated at R6.5-billion with another R1.7-billion for operational costs; an economic impact report projected GDP growth of R11-billion.

But last month, the CGF general assembly said Durban 2022 had failed to meet several deadlines, namely making a payment of £1.5million (about R26.4-million); government signing the host city contract; establishing an LOC; and, underwriting of guarantees.

Mbalula said last month he was negotiating revenue streams with the CGF to maximise earnings.

Two Sascoc sources claimed the R8.2-billion budget for the delivery of Durban 2022 had been summarily slashed by Moemi who asked cabinet for a budget of R4.8-billion.

Moemi didn’t respond to the allegations against him, but said government would comment after the process.

“We can’t be commenting every step of the way about every little thing we do. It doesn’t work like that. We’ll negotiate in good faith.”

http://www.pressreader.com/@Sangxa83775/XCX8WGAGLX13

 

 

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8 hours ago, Rob. said:

Hmm. That's probably one of the more pessimistic Dysan posts. Yet what he describes is something we've all come to expect from the South African Government when it comes to bids and hostings. You always get the impression of nothing happening but a lot of buck-passing and internal feuds.

I can understand the national Government holding up the financing guarantees - you see squabbling over the finances that in just about every country, including Japan. But, yeah, it's South Africa, so of course it tends to be a bit more scrutinised from outside.

But not appointing an organising committee???? That's just crazy, lazy and stupid. Most newly voted in events hosts can't wait to get their committees up and going.

I'm still inclined to think Durban 2022 will still go ahead, but only with cautious and guarded optimism. 

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Durban 2022 meet Commonwealth Games Federation deadline but final decision on hosting could take six weeks

A decision on whether Durban will stage the 2022 Commonwealth Games has been deferred for up to six weeks after the Bid Committee submitted key criteria necessary for them to remain as hosts by today’s deadline.

A spokesperson for the Commonwealth Games Federation (CGF) confirmed to insidethegames that the organisation would now "evaluate the submissions thoroughly" before a final ruling is made by the Executive Committee.

South Africa were warned last month that they face losing the hosting rights for the Games in 2022 if they do not adhere to a series conditions they should have already satisfied last year.

Durban were awarded the Games at the CGF Assembly in Auckland in September 2015 but have so far failed to sign the Host City contract, establish an Organising Committee, confirm the underwriting arrangements as per contractual requirements or make any payments to the CGF.

The CGF and Durban 2022 held a special meeting last week to discuss progress being made by organisers.

It was attended by representatives from the South African Government and the South African Sports Confederation and Olympic Committee (SASCOC), as well as CGF President Louise Martin and chief executive, David Grevemberg.

According to the CGF, they have successfully met today's deadline, marking a boost to their much-maligned preparations for the Games, but they could still be stripped of the event if the submissions are not deemed to meet the required standard as set out by the host city criteria.

The CGF have admitted this could take "up to six weeks given the importance of the matter".

"The CGF has now received final submissions from the Durban Bid Team against these criteria, and will evaluate the submissions thoroughly before making a final recommendation to the CGF Executive Board on Durban's ability to host the Games in accordance with its original bid and the conditions of the award,” a statement from the CGF sent to insidethegames read.

"This process and any final decision may take up to six weeks given the importance of the matter.

"The CGF’s focus remains on maintaining the momentum and impact of the previous successful Games in Glasgow and the next Games in the Gold Coast to ensure another successful and inspiring Games for athletes and fans in 2022 - either in Durban or an alternative host city - while continuing to liaise with a number of destinations and regions about their ambitions for 2026 and 2030."

The development represents one of the first instances that Durban 2022 have met a deadline laid out by the CGF after missing several key dates since they were awarded the Games.

This included establishing an Organising Committee within 180 days of being given the hosting rights for the event.

The CGF have said they "remain committed to ensuring that Durban 2022 will be a great success", but a motion was recently passed that gives the  ruling Executive Board the authority to choose a new host city without a formal bid process if the event is withdrawn.

"Durban was awarded the Games on September 2, 2015, subject to a specific set of outstanding criteria," the statement added.

"The host city criteria outline the partnership approach between the Commonwealth Games Federation, the Host City and the Nation to ensure a successful Games and an enduring legacy.

"They cover important aspects such as governance, management and funding.

"The criteria are the solid foundations upon which any successful Games and legacy plan is built.

"Every prospective host city must meet these criteria."

SASCOC President Gideon Sam, re-elected for a third term as head of the organisation on Saturday (November 26), confirmed to Eyewitness News that they had "dealt specifically with the areas they asked of us".

"One of the issues was the shifting of the athletes’ village, from where it was to closer to Moses Mabhida," he said. 

"They [the CGF] said we have to relook those plans and SASCOC has done what it can to remedy that."

Should the CGF choose to take the event away from Durban, other cities would be approached to see if they are interested in stepping in.

Commonwealth Games England were quick to rule themselves out as Birmingham and Liverpool have expressed an interest in the 2026 edition.

Durban ended up as the sole bidder for the 2022 event after Edmonton in Canada withdrew as a result of falling oil prices.

Insidethegames

 

 

So SASCOC says they've met the deadline, but it's still all in the hands of the CGF. 

On 11/30/2016 at 6:04 AM, rogerdown said:

What do we think will happen in the event of Durban being stripped?

 

London 2022???

From the article above:

The CGF have said they "remain committed to ensuring that Durban 2022 will be a great success", but a motion was recently passed that gives the  ruling Executive Board the authority to choose a new host city without a formal bid process if the event is withdrawn...

Should the CGF choose to take the event away from Durban, other cities would be approached to see if they are interested in stepping in.

Commonwealth Games England were quick to rule themselves out as Birmingham and Liverpool have expressed an interest in the 2026 edition.

 

I'd say that rules out London as well - though logically I agree it would probably be the easiest emergency back-up.

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2 hours ago, intoronto said:

No track and field stadium above 40k (which is the minimum requirement). 

I'm pretty certain this can be negotiated.  The Gold Coast stadium will just reach this total (with some creative tallying).  Temporary stands will get you close and in a situation like this (where let's be honest - athletics may not be the main draw at a CG) the CGF will need to be flexible.

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14 minutes ago, thatsnotmypuppy said:

I'm pretty certain this can be negotiated.  The Gold Coast stadium will just reach this total (with some creative tallying).  Temporary stands will get you close and in a situation like this (where let's be honest - athletics may not be the main draw at a CG) the CGF will need to be flexible.

The maximum you can probably put in the space at the Pan Am Stadium is about 15k (one side is a forest, and the other two sides have limited space to push back). I suppose in this case the CGF would probably say yes, as its will desperate. All other venues exist, with some just outside the city. Who knows maybe! 

 

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If they are gonna have to try and find a replacement, well, the CGF is gonna have to be very flexible. If, as the English are saying, England is putting its intentions on 2026, and with Oz having just hosted making A-NZ ess attractive, I could see them trying by hook or by crook to try and get a Canadian host to step in. Maybe that could be Edmonton, maybe it could well be trying to accomodate Toronto. Maybe elsewhere - who knows?

Or there's Delhi? Or Abuja?

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4 hours ago, intoronto said:

No track and field stadium above 40k (which is the minimum requirement). 

If Victoria hosted with only 30,000 fans in temporary bleachers then would they not let Toronto do the same?

This whole situation strikes me as a case of countries being penny wise and pound foolish. People are willing to make massive sacrifices to build white elephants for "global" events like the Olympics or the World Cup, and then balk at reasonable expenditures on community venues for local athletes, public housing, transport improvements and temporary bleachers for "lesser" events.

South Africa should not have wasted so much money building white elephants for the World Cup, and they were stupid to do things like building Durban's stadium without consulting with the local rugby team. That has lost the SA tax payer lots of money. But that ship has sailed, and playing games with the Commonwealth Games Federation is not going to get their money back.

Meanwhile my Canadian friends in British Columbia genuinely expect Canada to do whatever it takes to win the rights to host the next World Cup just to put one over on the Americans. Never mind the fact that it is their own countrymen who would end up paying billions of $CDN building stadiums Canada does not need in places like Halifax and Saskatoon along with a totally unnecessary national stadium for Toronto. Meanwhile an affordable Commonwealth Games in Toronto or Winter Olympics in Calgary would be "boring."

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On 12/1/2016 at 0:38 PM, Sir Rols said:

Iwith Oz having just hosted making A-NZ less attractive

Just when I said it was unlikely...

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Australia would consider staging 2022 Commonwealth Games should Durban lose hosting rights

Commonwealth Games Australia chief executive Craig Phillips has claimed they would consider stepping in to host the Games in 2022 if Durban lose the right to stage the event.

The South African city were awarded the event at the Commonwealth Games Federation (CGF) General Assembly in Auckland in September 2015 but were warned in October that they faced losing the hosting rights if they did not adhere to a series of conditions they should have already satisfied last year.

Durban have so far failed to sign the Host City contract, establish an Organising Committee, confirm the underwriting arrangements as per contractual requirements or make any payments to the CGF.

They did meet a deadline on November 30 for key criteria.

They could still be stripped of the event, however, if the submissions are not deemed to meet the required standard as set out by the host city contract, with the CGF stating it could take up to six weeks to assess.

The process is expected to begin this week, taking place alongside the CGF’s Coordination Commission visit to Gold Coast, the Australian hosts of the 2018 Games.

Phillips, speaking to insidethegames here today, confirmed Commonwealth Games Australia would look at the possibility of staging the multi-sport event in 2022, should Durban lose hosting rights.

"We would certainly consider it," Phillips said.

"From our perspective in terms of being part of the broader Commonwealth Games family, we would want to ensure the Games continue to be celebrated in an appropriate way.

"In the right sort of city, with the right venues and environment.

"It is important that the Games have a future, we are committed to that.

"Certainly, whatever part we could play in that, we are happy to play.

"If it means being a host again, then yes.

"If it means providing other support we will certainly look at doing that as well."

... more at Insidethegames

 

 

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Hmm - that is a completely unprofessional statement to be making at this point.

It is a given that a back up host will be found - there is no way the CG's won't be happening in 2022 - however basically offering up an alternative when the latest criteria submissions is still being assessed is a bit of a dick move.

If the CGF come back in January and say Durban hasn't met their required standards of organisational readiness then for sure say the GC or Melbourne are available.  Until then - back off.

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