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I knew that someone was probably going to bring the 1998 CWG's. But that was just 3,600 athletes, with only 69 participating nations & only 15 sports. Not even in the same league as the Summer Olympic Games.

As opposed to Istanbul who you think is a better Muslim choice which has hosted ???? what exactly that is on the same tier as a comm games or Olympics?

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This is unfair. This event is completely unprecedented. The only reason "first world" nations became involved in the limited way they did (by that I mean Australia, the US and NZ's plane) is because i

Or Kuala Lumpur Pop: 1.6 million (5.7 mil in urban area) HDI 0.795 (high) One of the best urban road networks in Asia Kuala Lumpur International Airport: Capacity of 40 million (current handles 3

It seems people forgot the 1998 Commonwealth Games on which they did a great job being the first Asian city to host it (unlike Delhi which screwed things up), so this situation is not enough to say th

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Kuala Lumpur

Pop: 1.6 million (5.7 mil in urban area)

HDI 0.795 (high)

One of the best urban road networks in Asia

Kuala Lumpur International Airport: Capacity of 40 million (current handles 34 million), 9th busiest airport in the world by international passenger traffic with connections to Africa, Asia, Oceania and Europe (50+ airlines, serving 100+ destinations)

Malaysia: Pop 28 million, GDP 555 million, HDI 0.769 (High), GDP per capita 18k (all GDP numbers are PPP)

Would say KL has about 1/5 of necessary venues in place, including the main stadium

Also has a completely modern convention center

Durban

Pop: 0.6 mil (3.4 mil urban)

Not even close to the transportation infrastructure in KL

Durban 'International' Airport: 4.4 million passangers a year, 10 airlines, serving South Africa, Mozambique, Mauritius and UAE

South Africa: Pop: 52.9 million, GDP 623 million, GDP per capita 11k. HDI 0.629 (medium)

Has only a handful of venues ready including the main stadium

Convention center, smaller than the one in KL and in a less ideal location

Yet one is well suited to host 2024 and the other is a stupid pipe dream according to you. Go figure.

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Kuala Lumpur

Pop: 1.6 million (5.7 mil in urban area)

HDI 0.795 (high)

One of the best urban road networks in Asia

Kuala Lumpur International Airport: Capacity of 40 million (current handles 34 million), 9th busiest airport in the world by international passenger traffic with connections to Africa, Asia, Oceania and Europe (50+ airlines, serving 100+ destinations)

Malaysia: Pop 28 million, GDP 555 million, HDI 0.769 (High), GDP per capita 18k (all GDP numbers are PPP)

Would say KL has about 1/5 of necessary venues in place, including the main stadium

Also has a completely modern convention center

Durban

Pop: 0.6 mil (3.4 mil urban)

Not even close to the transportation infrastructure in KL

Durban 'International' Airport: 4.4 million passangers a year, 10 airlines, serving South Africa, Mozambique, Mauritius and UAE

South Africa: Pop: 52.9 million, GDP 623 million, GDP per capita 11k. HDI 0.629 (medium)

Has only a handful of venues ready including the main stadium

Convention center, smaller than the one in KL and in a less ideal location

Yet one is well suited to host 2024 and the other is a stupid pipe dream according to you. Go figure.

Why pick Kuala Lumpur when there are far more capable Asian cities and nations. Another thing to note is that for last damn time Tokyo is hosting 2020 and Pyongchang is hosting 2018. The games are not going back to asia until the 2040's.

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Its neither here nor there when the hosting happens, but to out-right dismiss a city while constantly promoting a far weaker one is ridiculous.

The Olympics are going to be returning to Asia significantly more in the future, so just rotating between Japan, Korea and China is not going to be realistic. Outside of this 3, Almaty, Kazakhstan and Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia are the most equiped, currently, to be possible hosts for the Winter and Summer versions respectively.

And I am well aware of where the 'damn' Olympics are. But I also seem to be far more aware of the shifting power and wealth dynmaics moving things ever more in Asia's favour. Asia will likely host as many or more times between 2018 and 2048 than they did between 1896 and 2008. In that time there will at least be another Summer and two Winter versions hosted somewhere in Asia in addition to Pyeongchang and Tokyo.

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Why pick Kuala Lumpur when there are far more capable Asian cities and nations. Another thing to note is that for last damn time Tokyo is hosting 2020 and Pyongchang is hosting 2018. The games are not going back to asia until the 2040's.

Beijing is bidding for the 2022 games and i'm sure Shanghai will want an Olympic games before the 2040's.

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It's not just "according to me" (there's also others here that have the same position). How many times have we heard senior IOC officials (& other high-ranking members of the sporting world) that they need to go to Southeast Asia as soon as possible, besides never. Yet that's exactly what they say when it comes to Africa. That an African Olympics should be in the cards sooner rather than later. 'Go figure'. And yeah, like Durban isn't going to improve their infrastructure over the years. They're going to remain stagnant.

And I've never said that KL is a pipe-dream either. But if it's faced with far stronger bids (being it technically, &/or by narrative or otherwise), then KL is just SOL. Like Istanbul, the competition for any KL bid would have to be quite weak. If they're up against the likes of Paris, Rome, Berlin &/or Shanghai, Durban or even Istanbul, then I wouldn't rank their chances high at all. But if they're up against the Doha's, the Baku's & the Minneapolis' of the world, then yeah, they have a shot.

Simply bcuz some think a city could host, doesn't mean that it can or will. At the same time, just bcuz some think that a country or city can't host, doesn't necessarily mean that it can't or won't. The IOC makes the ultimate decision & what's actually 'ridiculous' is some people not being able to see the bigger picture on how they usually make their decisions, despite the vehement criticism by some when it comes to certain bids in the past. Most of the time, you gotta look at the precedence.

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Malaysia confirms Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 was hijacked.

"It is conclusive" says officials

INVESTIGATORS have concluded that one or more people with significant flying experience hijacked the missing Malaysia Airlines jet, switched off communication devices and steered it off-course, a Malaysian government official involved in the investigation said this afternoon.

The claim comes after seven days of fruitless searches for Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, and after revelations suggesting the plane made several course corrections after the cockpit’s last known contact with air traffic control.

The official, who is involved in the investigation, told the Associated Press no motive has been established and no demands have been made known, and it is not yet clear where the plane was taken. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorised to brief the media.

The official said that hijacking was no longer a theory. “It is conclusive,’’ he added.

Malaysia’s Prime Minister Najib Razak is expected to brief the media later today.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/malaysia-confirms-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-was-hijacked/story-fnizu68q-1226855485378

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those poor families on pins and needles. the NYT story earlier today suggested that those responsible for steering the plane off course could also have depressurized the cabin, thereby rendering everyone on board unconscious or possibly dead. (in the loss of cabin pressure, we've all heard, oxygen masks drop automatically but from my limited understanding the oxygen in the main cabin is limited while the pilots have a much more secure source). if that's the case, i don't know, it seems almost a more humane death than plummeting 40k feet over the course of several minutes with your head between your legs saying 50 hail mary's, which is what i imagine i'd probably be doing in that circumstance.

also, now that a landing/piracy is possible: what was the upshot with the conspiracy about the ringing cell phones? CNN's debunking of that theory a few days ago -- when it was all but taken for granted that the plane was on the bottom of the ocean somewhere -- might possibly have a renewed lift. if your phone is on, and you're near a tower, but dead, the phone would obviously ring.

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New twist in the hunt for missing plane Administration officials say they have information that the plane’s engines remained running for approximately four hours after it disappeared from radar. The officials also acknowledged that they did not know what direction the plane flew — or whether it simply circled — over that time or whether it was airborne at all. But four hours of additional flight could have put the plane somewhere over the Indian Ocean, prompting U.S. officials from considering expanding the search into that area. This graphic was last updated on Friday, March 14

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/new-twist-in-the-hunt-for-missing-plane/2014/03/13/dcee10da-aae6-11e3-98f6-8e3c562f9996_graphic.html

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Kuala Lumpur

Pop: 1.6 million (5.7 mil in urban area)

HDI 0.795 (high)

One of the best urban road networks in Asia

Kuala Lumpur International Airport: Capacity of 40 million (current handles 34 million), 9th busiest airport in the world by international passenger traffic with connections to Africa, Asia, Oceania and Europe (50+ airlines, serving 100+ destinations)

Malaysia: Pop 28 million, GDP 555 million, HDI 0.769 (High), GDP per capita 18k (all GDP numbers are PPP)

Would say KL has about 1/5 of necessary venues in place, including the main stadium

Also has a completely modern convention center

Durban

Pop: 0.6 mil (3.4 mil urban)

Not even close to the transportation infrastructure in KL

Durban 'International' Airport: 4.4 million passangers a year, 10 airlines, serving South Africa, Mozambique, Mauritius and UAE

South Africa: Pop: 52.9 million, GDP 623 million, GDP per capita 11k. HDI 0.629 (medium)

Has only a handful of venues ready including the main stadium

Convention center, smaller than the one in KL and in a less ideal location

Yet one is well suited to host 2024 and the other is a stupid pipe dream according to you. Go figure.

If it's all about the raw numbers "according to you", then Rio de Janeiro shoulda been a 'stupid pipe dream' since any of the other 2016 bidders trumpeted Rio in ALL of those categories, especially Tokyo.

Rio's main airport isn't even in the worlds top 50, only handling a mere 17 million passengers a year. 'Go figure'. And BTW, KL's airport ranks 27th, not "9th" in the world. Ninth is Jakarta in Indonesia handling 57 million passengers annually. Maybe we should start a Jakarta Olympic bid-wagon then! :-P

As opposed to Istanbul who you think is a better Muslim choice which has hosted ???? what exactly that is on the same tier as a comm games or Olympics?

And yet for 2008, when both KL & Istanbul presented bids, guess which one was short-listed & which one wasn't. Uh huh, that's right, Istanbul. KL got told 'thanks but no thanks', despite having hosted those "all-important" CWG's. Istanbul has at least been to the IOC voting table three times now. While KL has not.

Go figure.

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I think they were all having one BIG ORGY in the sky and someone forgot to check the controls.

:angry: **** OFF Baron!! :angry:

There are loved ones lost forever on that plane! People waiting for them in vain...you wouldn't be saying smartarse remarks if it were an American airline.

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If it's all about the raw numbers "according to you", then Rio de Janeiro shoulda been a 'stupid pipe dream' since any of the other 2016 bidders trumpeted Rio in ALL of those categories, especially Tokyo.

Rio's main airport isn't even in the worlds top 50, only handling a mere 17 million passengers a year. 'Go figure'. And BTW, KL's airport ranks 27th, not "9th" in the world. Ninth is Jakarta in Indonesia handling 57 million passengers annually. Maybe we should start a Jakarta Olympic bid-wagon then! :-P

And yet for 2008, when both KL & Istanbul presented bids, guess which one was short-listed & which one wasn't. Uh huh, that's right, Istanbul. KL got told 'thanks but no thanks', despite having hosted those "all-important" CWG's. Istanbul has at least been to the IOC voting table three times now. While KL has not.

Go figure.

Read it again, it says busiest in the world by international passangers (9th is now out-dated it is currently 12th)

Yes, raw data does play a significant role. That should be evident given the disaster that was and continues to be Athens 2004.

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And yet despite 'raw data', the IOC still chose in 2009 (five years after 2004) to award 2016 to a city which had by far less favorable numbers than it competitors.

And Athens 2004 wasn't a 'disaster'. They delivered a good Games on times (despite the setbacks). All of Greece's problems can't be attributed to the Olympics. The money they spent on the 2004 Olympics was a drop in the bucket considering their other financial woes. It's like being majorly in debt & deciding to still buy yourself a Rolex. Its mismanagement & nothing else.

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CLANG!!!

Malaysian officials have stripped out the pilot's house and removed his home made flight simulator!

A week ago the mention was made of the pilot being very dedicated to his job and built a flight simulator in his home for regular practice.

As mentioned already, the Pilots are now the chief suspects in this. The search area is focussing on the Indian ocean and surrounding land areas.

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So no one on board used their cell phones to call anyone, about anything...

no cell phone signals have been transmitted from any of their mobile devices since or after plane disappeared....

no one on the ground saw a plane come down, anywhere.

no country in the Asian 'arc' have radar showing plane crossing their territory...

so, plane went south? plane flew for 5/6/7 extra hours after last communication?

plane flew to 45,000 ft incapacitating most onboard.... (well there's the lack of phone use)

if plane went south (most likely??) then it crashed into deepest waters on earth?

deliberate intention for plane to never be discovered?

The only certainty? Plane didn't dissolve into thin air,

as for the black box, if plane flew south.... we can forget ever finding it. And even if we did, it would be so badly damaged? weeks under water? at those depths?

So many questions. Not even one answer.

Stomped.

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