JMarkSnow2012 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 So, the home team comes out on top by almost any measure. However, if you balance medal points against team size, the Russians are only 4th, miles behind the extraordinary Netherlands team, who got 1.15 medal points per athlete with their compact 41-person squad. Belarus were second, with an amazing 5 golds from 24 competitors. Canada 10th (0.25 points per competitor), USA 13th (0.23), GB 18th (0.125). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Is that just going on a simple division of medals per number of athletes? Does the hockey gold just count as one medal divided among the number of players in a squad in that case? Or are you taking that into account? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarkSnow2012 Posted February 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Is that just going on a simple division of medals per number of athletes? Does the hockey gold just count as one medal divided among the number of players in a squad in that case? Or are you taking that into account? I'll admit that it is a very crude measure, medal points per number of athletes, rather than attempting to assign some sort of "weight" for teams. Even so, a comparison of the Netherlands (mostly single competitors apart from bobsleigh) and GB (mostly single competitors apart from bobsleigh and curling- and a couple of pairs of skaters) shows different approaches giving spectacularly different results: Netherlands only competed in four of the base categories, GB in ten. Oops, sorry. Forgot that the Netherlands were strong on team speed skating, which would bring their "team weighting" closer to GB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox334 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Its a pretty meaningless measure. The reason the Netherlands and Belarus have so few athletes is that they are very bad outside of the sports they do well in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarkSnow2012 Posted February 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Its a pretty meaningless measure. The reason the Netherlands and Belarus have so few athletes is that they are very bad outside of the sports they do well in. Both the Netherlands and Belarus teams, relative to the nations' populations, were quite large (around 2.5 per million, compared to under 1 per million for GB and USA). Also, at Olympic level, there's not a lot of practical difference between "very bad" and "not top 3". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox334 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Both the Netherlands and Belarus teams, relative to the nations' populations, were quite large (around 2.5 per million, compared to under 1 per million for GB and USA). Also, at Olympic level, there's not a lot of practical difference between "very bad" and "not top 3". Perhaps, but I'd be willing to bet a lot of money neither of those teams will be anywhere close to what they did in Sochi next time around. Depth matters at the Olympics. Beside, per capita Norway is always the undisputed master at the Winter games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarkSnow2012 Posted February 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Perhaps, but I'd be willing to bet a lot of money neither of those teams will be anywhere close to what they did in Sochi next time around. Depth matters at the Olympics. Beside, per capita Norway is always the undisputed master at the Winter games. 27 competitors per million population; Norway takes the Winter Olympics very seriously indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trebor204 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Athletes medals (2 for pairs, 5 for curling, 8-10 for team figure skating, 21 for women's hockey, 25 for men's hockey, etc,) Country G S B Total Canada 63 22 5 90Russia 33 22 13 68Norway 18 5 13 36Germany 15 12 9 36Netherlands 13 7 9 29United States 10 31 24 65Sweden 8 35 12 55South Korea 7 5 2 14Switzerland 6 4 22 32Belarus 5 0 1 6Austria 4 12 11 27France 4 4 10 18Poland 4 4 3 11Ukraine 4 0 1 5China 3 4 5 12Finland 2 7 25 34Czech Republic 2 7 2 11Slovenia 2 2 4 8Great Britain 1 5 6 12Japan 1 4 6 11Slovakia 1 0 0 1Latvia 0 5 6 11Italy 0 2 12 14Australia 0 2 1 3Croatia 0 1 0 1Kazakhstan 0 0 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarkSnow2012 Posted February 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Athletes medals (2 for pairs, 5 for curling, 8-10 for team figure skating, 21 for women's hockey, 25 for men's hockey, etc,) Country G S B Total Canada 63 22 5 90 Russia 33 22 13 68 Norway 18 5 13 36 Germany 15 12 9 36 Netherlands 13 7 9 29 United States 10 31 24 65 Sweden 8 35 12 55 South Korea 7 5 2 14 Switzerland 6 4 22 32 Belarus 5 0 1 6 Austria 4 12 11 27 France 4 4 10 18 Poland 4 4 3 11 Ukraine 4 0 1 5 China 3 4 5 12 Finland 2 7 25 34 Czech Republic 2 7 2 11 Slovenia 2 2 4 8 Great Britain 1 5 6 12 Japan 1 4 6 11 Slovakia 1 0 0 1 Latvia 0 5 6 11 Italy 0 2 12 14 Australia 0 2 1 3 Croatia 0 1 0 1 Kazakhstan 0 0 1 1 And there you have the problem with team weightings. 25 for a men's ice hockey team is seriously top-end for a sport which requires only half-a-dozen members of a team to be on the ice at one time. No substitutions for individual competitor events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Athletes medals (2 for pairs, 5 for curling, 8-10 for team figure skating, 21 for women's hockey, 25 for men's hockey, etc,) I've never seen it measured as such. One can spin it any old silly way. It's either just medals collected; or measured against the country's population. And eventually when they hand out 2,800 medals for just as many athletes attending, then it will all be meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trebor204 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 - However, to earn a gold medal in Hockey, requires 6 games @ 60 minutes x 6 players on the ice (6 x 60 x 6 = 2160 minutes) With 25 players on a team (2160 / 25 players = 86.4 minutes) it will take you 86 minutes to even a medal. Compare that with some of the speed skating and alpine events which are over in under 2 minutes. Not including curling (which has a lot of downtime), the Men's 50km Cross Country complete the longest with around 105 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Did Russia Really Win the Sochi Medal Count? -The AtlanticHow small countries like Belarus, Norway, and Slovenia dominated the Winter Olympics host. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarkSnow2012 Posted February 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 - However, to earn a gold medal in Hockey, requires 6 games @ 60 minutes x 6 players on the ice (6 x 60 x 6 = 2160 minutes) With 25 players on a team (2160 / 25 players = 86.4 minutes) it will take you 86 minutes to even a medal. Compare that with some of the speed skating and alpine events which are over in under 2 minutes. Not including curling (which has a lot of downtime), the Men's 50km Cross Country complete the longest with around 105 minutes. Yup, it's complicated. So if you're a national Olympic Association, how do you prioritise? Did Russia Really Win the Sochi Medal Count? -The Atlantic How small countries like Belarus, Norway, and Slovenia dominated the Winter Olympics host. I love how Team GB comes out around 20th whichever way you measure it (except GDP, which raises the question of where all our fabulous wealth is going). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trebor204 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 I made a ranking system, in which each sport is equal. For each event, I took the top 8 finishes and give them points (1st = 8pts, 2nd = 7pt to 8th =1pt) For each sport I added the poinst for each event. I than ranked the totals for each sports. (1st = 8pts to 8th and beyond = 1pts) I than total the ranking to gave an 'overall winner' of the Olympics. RANKING POINTS PER SPORT Country AL BI BS XC CR FG FR HK LG NC ST SK SJ SB SS Australia --- --- --- --- --- --- -29 --- --- --- --- --- --- -10 --- Austria -84 -27 --- --3 --- --- --3 --- -10 -10 --- --- -26 -29 --- Belarus --- -34 --- --4 --- --- -17 --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- Belgium --- --- --3 --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --9 Bulgaria --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --4 --- Canada --6 --7 -13 --- -16 -29 -87 -16 -19 --- -33 --4 --- -26 -22 China --- --- --- --- --7 -10 -27 --- --- --- -77 --- --- --9 -15 Croatia --7 --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- Czech Republic --6 -52 --- --9 --- --- --- --3 --- --2 --- --- --2 -17 -15 Denmark --- --- --- --- --6 --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- Finland --- --2 --- -47 --- --- --1 -10 --- --- --- --- --1 --9 --- France -16 -46 --- -22 --- --8 -40 --- --- --7 --1 --- --6 -21 --1 Germany -31 -27 -12 -18 --- --8 --1 --2 -48 -31 --- --1 -27 -21 -28 Great Britain --- --- --4 --- -13 --- --6 --- --- --- --7 --9 --- --9 --- Hungary --2 --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --3 --- --- --- --- Italy -31 -22 --- --7 --- -14 --1 --- -18 --8 -20 --- --4 -17 --- Japan --- --- --- --- --4 -23 -11 --1 --- -14 --4 --- -21 -25 -16 Kazakhstan --- --- --- --1 --- --6 --9 --- --- --- --4 --- --- --- --4 Latvia --- --- -11 --- --- --- --- --1 -12 --- --- -12 --- --- --- Netherlands --- --- --5 --- --- --- --- --- --- --- -25 --- --- --- 189 New Zealand --- --- --- --- --- --- -12 --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --2 Norway -39 -58 --- 119 --4 --- --7 --- --- -33 --- --- -14 -11 -19 Poland --- --5 --- -17 --- --- --- --- --1 --- --- --- -23 --- -24 Russia --- -47 -26 -59 --2 -48 -11 --7 -27 --- -45 -28 --- -29 -48 Slovakia --7 -14 --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- Slovenia -26 -18 --- --6 --- --- --3 --2 --- --- --- --- -20 -21 --- South Korea --- --- --- --- --1 --7 --- --- --- --- -43 --- --- --- -26 Spain --- --- --- --- --- --5 --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --2 --- Sweden -15 --3 --- -88 -13 --- -17 -12 --- --- --- --- --- --5 --- Switzerland -44 --8 --9 -24 --6 --- --9 --6 --- --- --- --- --- -39 --- Ukraine --- -23 --- --- --- --- --3 --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- United States -49 --3 -25 --8 --- -22 -66 -12 --9 --3 -26 -18 --- -56 -14 RANKING PER SPORT AL BI BS XC CR FG FR HK LG NC ST SK SJ SB SS TOTALRussia 0 6 8 6 1 8 1 4 7 0 7 8 0 6 7 69Canada 1 1 6 0 8 7 8 8 6 0 5 4 0 4 3 61United States 7 1 7 1 0 5 7 7 2 2 4 7 0 8 1 59Germany 4 3 5 2 0 2 1 1 8 7 0 3 8 2 6 52Norway 5 8 0 8 2 0 1 0 0 8 0 0 3 1 2 38Austria 8 3 0 1 0 0 1 0 3 5 0 0 7 6 0 34Switzerland 6 1 3 4 4 0 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 7 0 29Sweden 1 1 0 7 7 0 3 7 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 27France 1 5 0 3 0 2 6 0 0 3 1 0 2 2 1 26Japan 0 0 0 0 2 6 1 1 0 6 1 0 5 3 1 26Italy 4 1 0 1 0 4 1 0 5 4 2 0 1 1 0 24China 0 0 0 0 5 3 4 0 0 0 8 0 0 1 1 22Great Britain 0 0 1 0 7 0 1 0 0 0 1 5 0 1 0 16Czech Republic 1 7 0 1 0 0 0 2 0 1 0 0 1 1 1 15Latvia 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 1 4 0 0 6 0 0 0 15Finland 0 1 0 5 0 0 1 5 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 14Netherlands 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 8 13Poland 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 6 0 4 13South Korea 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 6 0 0 0 5 13Slovenia 2 1 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 4 2 0 12Belarus 0 4 0 1 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8Australia 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 6Kazakhstan 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 5Denmark 0 0 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4Belgium 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2Hungary 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 2New Zealand 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2Slovakia 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2Spain 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 2Ukraine 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2Bulgaria 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1Croatia 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 For example Austria won Alpine Skiing (AL) with 84 points, earning 8 points for Alpine Skiing. Russia 'won' the Olympics with 69 points, finish 1st in Bobsled (BS), Figure Skating (FS) and Skeleton (SK). As with each system, this system does have problem. A country can send one athlete to an event and win it (8 pts). Whereas an country can send 3 athletes and have them finish (3rd, 7th and 8th) and award them with 9 points (6 + 2 + 1). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micheal_warren Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 I've never seen it measured as such. One can spin it any old silly way. It's either just medals collected; or measured against the country's population. And eventually when they hand out 2,800 medals for just as many athletes attending, then it will all be meaningless. Neither have I.... A stupid way actually and that is why I ahev never seen it before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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