Legacy Mode

[yoshi]

Sochi's legacy - turning off anywhere democratic from bidding for WOGs for the foreseeable future. Great job Vlad & co

[Ikarus360]

Couldn't agree with you more.

However I wrote somewhere around those lines in the SC thread and my post got deleted. I guess some of the russian users over there are butthurt for just having a dose of reality.

[binary]

Sochi's legacy - turning off anywhere democratic from bidding for WOGs for the foreseeable future. Great job Vlad & co

truly the montreal of winter olympics

[Martijn]

This weekend the first Sochi F1 Grand Prix

FORMULA 1 RUSSIAN GRAND PRIX 2014 takes place from 10th to 12th of October 2014 in Sochi.
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Sochi Autodrom is the world's only racing complex located in the heart of the Olympic park which hosted the 2014 Winter Olympics.
Sochi Autodrom includes two circuit configurations. The temporary circuit leads across the Olympic Park and is only used for the FORMULA 1 race weekends. The smaller, permanent circuit is suitable for race activities all year long - it is planned to hold track days, test drives and other events.

http://sochiautodrom.ru/en/track/schema

[baron-pierreIV]

/\/\ When are dismantling the Iceberg and the Ice Cube? That will create 2 holes in the bkgd for these FI races, no?

But personally, I like Romaine and Arugula over Iceberg!!

[Rob2012]

Holes?

[baron-pierreIV]

Holes?

What I mean there is this specious 'excuse,' for lack of a better word, that Sochi's new stadia have not all gone to waste and will provide a beautiful backdrop for the race. ANd that's OK with 7/8 bldgs there -- and the commentators saying oh, so-and-so is turning round the bend behind the Bolshoy Arena where X and X medaled, etc. But when those are gone, what will they say in future editions? Oh car X is coming round the bend in this lot where Stadium so-and-so used to be. So, so much for legacy utilitarian use of these venues. I mean,if anything, they just reinforce the notion that Putin had erected another 21st century Potemkin Village.

[StefanMUC]

I'm not sure a big amount of F1 viewers cares about the medal winners in Figure Skating.

As for Potemkin Olympic Villages, Putin is not the only culprit in that respect.

[Rob2012]

I think most F1 fans would rather have more tracks like Spa and fewer like Sochi. I don't think having points of interest on every turn is high in the list of priorities

[JMarkSnow2012]

First decent snowfall of the autumn up at Rosa Khutor, in the nick of time for the skiing season which opens next week. Even without snow, it's been bustling with sightseers whenever the cable cars were running, but the next three months will tell whether it has really succeeded.

[baron-pierreIV]

This was Rosa Parks...

Who is Rosa Khutor??

[JMarkSnow2012]

This was Rosa Parks...

Who is Rosa Khutor??

Funnily enough, there is a quite interesting story behind that name. Khutor (Хутор) is just a Russian word for a farm, but Rosa (Роза), meaning Rose, is a slightly distorted version of the 19th century farm owner's surname, Roosa (Рооза).

Adul Roosa (Адул Рооза) was an Estonian immigrant, so his name was unfamiliar to the locals, who assimilated it to something they recognised.

[Tulsa]

I looked for the Sotchi Legacy but I found nothing ? Where is it ? Maybe Putine knows something about ?

[hektor]

Talk to us about the one of Albertville. Last time I went there I did not see much.

[JMarkSnow2012]

I looked for the Sotchi Legacy but I found nothing ? Where is it ? Maybe Putine knows something about ?

It's just possible that the US-led global warming conspiracy is causing problems. The first full ski season at the Olympic mountain resort was supposed to start today, but there isn't enough snow for safety, and the forecast is looking decidedly un-winterish.

[Tulsa]

Talk to us about the one of Albertville. Last time I went there I did not see much.

Seriously ? You have a great legacy there, higher than in Sotchi or PC... Seriously you are stupid, please stop to say bullshit

[JMarkSnow2012]

It's just possible that the US-led global warming conspiracy is causing problems. The first full ski season at the Olympic mountain resort was supposed to start today, but there isn't enough snow for safety, and the forecast is looking decidedly un-winterish.

... and it's not just Krasnaya Polyana that's suffering the heat:

www.theguardian.com/travel/2014/dec/21/alps-ski-resorts-snow-shortage-holidays

Evidently the Americans have stolen winter from Europe.

[baron-pierreIV]

We're having good, early snows in the Sierra Nevada/Tahoe area.

[LatinXTC]

... and it's not just Krasnaya Polyana that's suffering the heat:

www.theguardian.com/travel/2014/dec/21/alps-ski-resorts-snow-shortage-holidays

Evidently the Americans have stolen winter from Europe.

We haven't stolen anything. I don't think we've ever had any issue with lack of snow at our resorts.

[JMarkSnow2012]

We haven't stolen anything. I don't think we've ever had any issue with lack of snow at our resorts.

Record-Breaking November Arctic Cold

By Jon Erdman

Published Nov 22 2014 07:30 AM EST

weather.com

A third surge of cold air pushed into the Northern Plains, Upper Midwest and East Coast. This third surge reinforced the cold temperatures for millions of Americans who have already endured at least a week of January-like chill.

There have been more than 400 record lows and record cool highs set, covering 43 states, since Sunday. That leaves only five states in the contiguous U.S., all in New England, that have not experienced record cold temperatures this week.

www.weather.com/storms/winter/news/arctic-cold-outbreak-november-locked-20141110

[Tulsa]

We're having good, early snows in the Sierra Nevada/Tahoe area.

One of the best place in the world, I love Lake Taho.

[JMarkSnow2012]

... and it's not just Krasnaya Polyana that's suffering the heat:

www.theguardian.com/travel/2014/dec/21/alps-ski-resorts-snow-shortage-holidays

Evidently the Americans have stolen winter from Europe.

Krasnaya Polyana has been getting some snow over the Christmas period, and Rosa Khutor has been attracting lots of skiers and snowboarders. Maybe the Russian gamble is starting to pay off.

[JMarkSnow2012]

The snow continues, and the facilities seem popular:

Even the seaside at Adler is doing pretty well for mid-winter:

[baron-pierreIV]

Do svidaniya roof, do svidaniya ceremonies, do svidaniya Tsypin, do svidaniya Misha!!

[Rob2012]

Oligarchs unload Sochi Olympics assets to recoup investment

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/f064f5386bed4c55bf8fb6bf15a6dc1e/oligarchs-unload-sochi-olympics-assets-recoup-investment

SOCHI, Russia (AP) — The ski jump sits shrouded in mist, its coat of snow undisturbed by any athletes hurtling down the ramp to take off into the air.

A year ago, the jump bustled with activity at the Sochi Olympics as the world's best ski jumpers — including women, for the first time — competed for gold. But it made some unwanted history as well, becoming a stark symbol of how some of the plans for President Vladimir Putin's $51 billion Winter Games went terribly wrong.

The cost of the facility soared during construction from $40 million to nearly $300 million. The overrun embarrassed the Kremlin, which publicly shamed the businessman involved, and he fled the country in the face of a corruption investigation.

Russia had vowed to pay for what became the most expensive Olympics of all time by getting super-rich private investors to take the cost from the state. Instead, as the first anniversary of those games approaches, at least two of those oligarchs are quietly dumping their increasingly toxic assets on the state — forcing Russian taxpayers to pick up the bill.

For the oligarchs, it's a way to recoup billions of dollars as they struggle in an economy battered by plunging oil prices and Western sanctions. For Putin's critics, it's evidence of the crony capitalism that shields Russia's rich and powerful businessmen from economic pain.

Two key investors have unloaded properties built for the Olympics at a combined cost of $3 billion, a spokesman to Russia's deputy prime minister confirmed to The Associated Press. The issue is a major headache for Putin, who needs to pay off the oligarchs to keep them happy, while preventing the murky deals from triggering a wave of popular unrest.

The risks for Putin are magnified as the country enters recession and its rainy-day funds dwindle, even as Russia prepares for staging yet another major international sports event: the 2018 World Cup.

In addition, other oligarchs may now be waiting for the right moment to demand their reward or compensation for coming to the government's rescue by taking on what became unprofitable Sochi projects.

"They don't have any good options here," Sam Greene, director of King's Russia Institute at King's College London, said of the Kremlin. "They either have to take the public hit, or they have to take the opposition of the oligarchs."

For now, Greene said it appears that Putin is opting for coddling the oligarchs.

"There seems to be something of an emerging understanding ... that the government will help the titans of the economy to maintain the liquidity they need to stay in business," he said. "In return for that, they remain quiet, they remain loyal, but they also maintain employment and they keep moving money through the economy."

The ski jump and nearby ski resort first became a notorious example of Sochi's excesses in 2013 when Putin visited the construction site and publicly dressed down officials for allowing the original owner, tycoon Akhmed Bilalov, to incur massive cost overruns: "Well done!" Putin burst out, his voice heavy with sarcasm. "You're doing a good job!"

Bilalov fled Russia days later, after prosecutors launched a corruption investigation into why the cost of the ski jump had ballooned from original estimates of 1.2 billion rubles to 8 billion (then worth nearly $300 million). His case has not yet reached court, and he remains in exile in an unknown country.

Sberbank, which is Russia's largest bank and is run by close Putin ally German Gref, stepped in to buy the ski jump and ski resort at the government's request. It took out a $1.7 billion loan to fund more than 70 percent of the infrastructure project. Today, the project loses money and the bank remains saddled with the massive debt.

For Sberbank, the solution has been to obtain Kremlin authorization to swap its Olympic project, which cost nearly $2.7 billion at the time, for the Sochi Games' media center, which was owned by the regional government. Ilya Dzhus, a spokesman for Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Kozak, confirmed the deal to the AP.

It's not clear how much the media center — similar to a large convention complex — would fetch if sold on the market. But the key to the deal is that by giving the ski jump, which is still used by the Russian national team, and the ski resort to the regional government, Sberbank is washing its hands of the $1.7 billion loan. Sberbank, which has the state as its majority stakeholder, did not respond to numerous calls and emails seeking comment.

"Giving away assets ... is a way to cut costs in a crisis situation," Mikhail Kasyanov, Russia's prime minister from 2000-2004, said in an interview. According to Kasyanov, their thinking goes: "I'd rather lose what I have invested, my own 15-30 percent, but I would not have to pay out the rest in loans."

In another Sochi project, Viktor Vekselberg — estimated by Forbes magazine to be Russia's third-richest man — invested half a billion dollars to build two giant hotels next to the Olympic Park.

With the hotel market saturated in Sochi, Vekselberg decided to hand over one hotel to the state. That amounts to dumping the $450 million loan he took out from VEB bank — which covered 90 percent of the cost of the two hotels — onto the state as well. Vekselberg's investment vehicle Renova has not officially announced the deal, and its representative was unavailable for comment by email and telephone, but Dzhus, the government spokesman, confirmed the ongoing sale.

Meanwhile, residents of Sochi — long a resort destination for Russian vacationers — have seen few economic benefits from hosting the Olympics. Promises that the games would solve perennial problems such as poor transportation and electricity remain unfulfilled one year afterward.

A much-touted $8.5 billion rail link between the Black Sea coast and the mountains is all but suspended. A dispute between the local administration and the monopoly Russian Railways over who will pay for the costly maintenance of the Olympics' most expensive project has threatened to shut it down.

Tourists who came to Sochi this winter to ski found only six trains a day running between the coast and the mountains, and no trains running between the airport and central Sochi. During the Olympics, there were trains rolling along the picturesque ravines of the mountain resorts every 15 minutes.

Back in Sochi, a company called Basic Element, which is owned by billionaire Oleg Deripaska, is trying to sell seaside condos that housed the Olympic athletes. The company spent $1.4 billion building Olympic infrastructure, but is not among those seeking to unload their assets to the state. Instead, it is trying to restructure its loans with a state-owned bank while holding onto its investment.

Its deputy director general, Andrei Elinson, said the company "never considered these projects as some sort of charity or sponsorship."

"We believe that we have delivered what we were asked for. Now we want them (the government) to give us a simple return on our investment," Elinson told the AP.

The legacy of Sochi's busted budget is causing concern about Russia's ability to pull off the World Cup in three years, now that the ruble has lost more half of its value and the economy is struggling under the brunt of Western sanctions over the crisis in Ukraine and the collapse of the price of oil.

The soccer stadiums are only a tiny part of the overall construction for the World Cup. There are 11 host cities that will require new highways, airport expansions, train links, metro lines and giant hotels that are unlikely to be used again.

Unlike Sochi, the World Cup will largely be funded directly by the Kremlin, either through the federal budget or through state-owned companies, with only a few oligarchs in the mix.

The ruble's plunge also means the price of building materials will soar, causing the World Cup to far exceed its original budget of $20 billion.

As a way to battle galloping inflation, Sports Minister Vitaly Mutko said in January that Russia will be looking to simplify the design of the World Cup venues without compromising the requirements of soccer's governing body, FIFA. He also said the government would be looking to attract private donors, although he would not say who these might be.

In the Olympics, the government produced a detailed plan of infrastructure to be built — from arenas to new sewage works. By contrast, it's unclear what projects will be commissioned for the World Cup, apart from the stadiums. Plans for the most expensive World Cup infrastructure — rail lines estimated to be worth $14 billion at the time — have been repeatedly revised and are likely to be reviewed further.

Despite such uncertainty, a recent opinion poll conducted in Russia by the AP and NORC Center for Public Affairs Research showed that half the respondents expect the World Cup to be good for the economy. The survey of 2,008 Russian adults was conducted between Nov. 22 and Dec. 7, 2014; it had a margin of error of plus or minus 2.4 percentage points.

And despite Sochi's problems, the poll also found that 51 percent believe the Olympics were an economic boon.