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Well, I'm still thinking 2022 can have a positive effect on their 2024 ambitions: The CWG will be awarded two years before the SOG, that will already give Durban the time to show they're making progress. Besides, they would have to finish everything at least two years before the SOG, so there's an assurance for the IOC things won't be left to the last minute, even moreso given that - unlike with a FIFA WC - basically the same venues are needed for both shows, and one doesn't suck away the energy from the other.

Plus, my impression is that SA does have a much better strategic approach with its bids than Brazil (or Turkey for that matter), who threw themselves into basically every cycle no matter what until they finally got it. Theoretically, Rio could have pushed for (step by step) implementation of its plans already since their first bid 20 years ago. Enough time to start cleaning the waters, for example...

SA seems far more conscious how they should move forward.

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It's really bad form to quote someone and then change what they wrote. Bad etiquette.

There's a very good reason why I wrote 2032 and not 2028. The vote for 2028 is one year before the 2022 CWG take place.

My post makes no sense if the date isn't 2032. 2032 is the first Olympic vote after the 2022 CWG. SA has to demonstrate competency first, then mount an Olympic bid.

Ah, sorry. I'm not too familiar with the Common Wealth games.

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Well, I'm still thinking 2022 can have a positive effect on their 2024 ambitions: The CWG will be awarded two years before the SOG, that will already give Durban the time to show they're making progress. Besides, they would have to finish everything at least two years before the SOG, so there's an assurance for the IOC things won't be left to the last minute, even moreso given that - unlike with a FIFA WC - basically the same venues are needed for both shows, and one doesn't suck away the energy from the other.

Plus, my impression is that SA does have a much better strategic approach with its bids than Brazil (or Turkey for that matter), who threw themselves into basically every cycle no matter what until they finally got it. Theoretically, Rio could have pushed for (step by step) implementation of its plans already since their first bid 20 years ago. Enough time to start cleaning the waters, for example...

SA seems far more conscious how they should move forward.

I hear what you are saying. You could be correct, but the IOC would still be taking a gamble.

As for South Africa being "wiser about how they should move forward," as near as I can tell, that statement is based primarily on the fact that they didn't bid for 2020. While I think that was probably the right decision for them, that decision alone does not put all doubts to rest as to their judgement of their own capabilities. Plus, that decision came from the government, not the bid leaders.

In the grand scheme of things, the following point is relatively minor, but I guess I'll make it anyway: if you're a resident of Durban, wouldn't you rather have a bit more time between two mega sporting events. Wouldn't it be more fun? I'd compare this to somebody who goes to Disneyland twice in their lives and their two visits are just a month apart. Wouldn't it be nicer to spread it out? Wouldn't there be more enthusiasm and enjoyment of the Olympics if they didn't follow quite so soon after the CWG? Like I said, it's relatively trivial, but I still think it's worth a mention.

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Beautiful photo posted on SSC. If that doesn't that look like a prospective Olympic city, then I don't know what is?

I see the port area is large enough (w/ a few adjustments) to accommodate 4-6 giant cruise ships during Games' time.

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5636/210117598.13/0_a9006_8f25e88b_orig

It looks like there's already a beach volleyball stadium on the shore.

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Beautiful photo posted on SSC. If that doesn't that look like a prospective Olympic city, then I don't know what is?

I see the port area is large enough (w/ a few adjustments) to accommodate 4-6 giant cruise ships during Games' time.

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5636/210117598.13/0_a9006_8f25e88b_orig

I'm impressed. Never would have guessed that's Durban. You're right, that does look like a city worthy of hosting an Olympics.

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South African Bid Dependent on Election Results

Wednesday’s presidential and parliamentary elections will determine South Africa’s mutli-sport event bid future, Around the Rings has learned.

IOC member Sam Ramsamy of South Africa says all discussions about bids for an Olympics or Commonwealth Games will start with new political leadership.

“I believe any decision that will be taken will have to be taken after that” he said of the elections.

“Without government support, without public support, we cannot go ahead with either the bidding or organizing events.”

South Africa was asked to bid for the 2022 Commonwealth Games by the Commonwealth Games Federation and submitted its intent to bid. Canada also submitted an application.

Durban has expressed interest in bidding for the 2022 Commonwealth Games. The coastal city also had a short-lived 2020 Olympic campaign.

Cape Town and Johannesburg, South Africa’s two other major cities, have not expressed any interest in bidding for the moment due to the nascent status of bids.

“It would be a bit too premature at this stage to say which city would go for the Olympic Games,” Ramsamy said.

Ideally for South Africa, Ramsamy said one city would bid for both the 2022 Commonwealth Games and the 2024 Olympic Games. However, he says “there is a lot of indecision” at the moment with regards to bidding.

The only known element is that South Africa’s Olympic Committee, which also organizes the country’s Commonwealth Games efforts, is conducting a formal report into a Commonwealth Games bid.

While a bid seems to rest in politicians hands, Ramsamy said he doesn’t get a sense that any candidates or political parties have “any particular leaning or inclination of one way or the other” for a bid, simply because the dialogue for a bid has not begun in earnest.

Source: http://aroundtherings.com/site/A__46903/Title__South-African-Bid-Dependent-on-Election-Results/292/Articles

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I'm impressed. Never would have guessed that's Durban. You're right, that does look like a city worthy of hosting an Olympics.

Do what Barcelona/Sydney did. Have them cruise ships host the media. You get 5 star accommodation without needing to allocate existing or proposed hotels, or even building a village which would be around the 3 star range.

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Do what Barcelona/Sydney did. Have them cruise ships host the media. You get 5 star accommodation without needing to allocate existing or proposed hotels, or even building a village which would be around the 3 star range.

Nah - wrong proposal. The media need working space and all sorts of communications equipment. The cruise ship cabins don't have that; and the cruise lines certainly aren't going to redo the cabins just for that. Besides, as soon as the Games are over, the ships will want to pull out of there ASAP with regular paying passengers who will accompany them back to their regular cruise routes. The media folk wouldn't be doing that. Further, there is no time to tear down equipment set up just for the working media. Nope; NOT a viable option. The media will be housed in a village or dorm near wherever the Press Center/IBC will be.

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Beautiful photo posted on SSC. If that doesn't that look like a prospective Olympic city, then I don't know what is?

I see the port area is large enough (w/ a few adjustments) to accommodate 4-6 giant cruise ships during Games' time.

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5636/210117598.13/0_a9006_8f25e88b_orig

Looks like a disaster waiting to happen (preparation wise, ala Rio)

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Do what Barcelona/Sydney did. Have them cruise ships host the media. You get 5 star accommodation without needing to allocate existing or proposed hotels, or even building a village which would be around the 3 star range.

Not to repeat baron's post entirely, but.. no. That's a terrible idea. Cruise ships are for tourists. That's where you put the visitors and spectators when you need overflow accomodations to handle them all. Not the first option to put the world's media, you know the people reporting to the rest of the world about the Olympics. How much flack did Sochi take over their accommodations. You can make it tough for spectators. Not for the media.

Surprised you didn't suggest expanding a local high school to be used as the media center. Or is that only for a Winter Olympics that's plausible in your mind?

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A Durban 2028 Olympics will happen, the preparation time a far better prospect with this city also looking to have a dry run with a potential Commonwealth Games in 2022 and South Africa hosting another Rugby World Cup either '23 or '27 as well.

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A Durban 2028 Olympics will happen, the preparation time a far better prospect with this city also looking to havd dry fun with a potential Commonwealth Games in 2022 and South Africa hosting another Rugby World Cup either '23 or '27 as well.

What happens if the US looses 2024 and comes back to the table in 2028 with a perfect bid? Is the IOC going to say no just so they can go to Africa and particularly a nation/city that has not proved it's capable of hosting a multi-sport event? The IOC is in a tough spot, if they don't pick right they risk alienating countries, if they pick 'right' they alienate countries. The IOC has put themselves into a damned if they do, damned if they don't situation.

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What happens if the US looses 2024 and comes back to the table in 2028 with a perfect bid? Is the IOC going to say no just so they can go to Africa and particularly a nation/city that has not proved it's capable of hosting a multi-sport event? The IOC is in a tough spot, if they don't pick right they risk alienating countries, if they pick 'right' they alienate countries. The IOC has put themselves into a damned if they do, damned if they don't situation.

Apart from the USA, because they can afford to...no other country will even attempt to let a candidate city go it alone when bidding for both summer and winter editions of the Olympics. Its a national pride thing and since Paris has hosted them twice albeit a very long time ago, a shoe in for 24 if LA, another potential triple hoster can't topple them. I fear a Durban bid would be pushed aside by the IOC if a massive revenue stream is allowed to go begging...And you're right, the IOC would be mad to let it go.

Which leaves 2028. The final of the "early century" games. If Paris gets 24, it won't mean America gets 28. For a start, there would be other US cities finally going past emotive reasons to host, and like LA, front up with a serious bid looking to 32 as a centennial hosting, a spanner in the works would be a potential winter edition US host. As we are seeing, not many takers. This clears a path for Durban to put up a successful bid attempt.

IOC will be really stumped on it...unless they try a Fifa/IRB move and announce a double bid system.

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Beautiful photo posted on SSC. If that doesn't that look like a prospective Olympic city, then I don't know what is?

I see the port area is large enough (w/ a few adjustments) to accommodate 4-6 giant cruise ships during Games' time.

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5636/210117598.13/0_a9006_8f25e88b_orig

Thats at least 10 years old as a picture, but your point remains valid.

Actually work is starting on a new second harbour where they are digging out the old airport site for a specialised container, oil/gas and motor vehicle port. Costing about $15billion it will allow even more room in the main harbour. in addition they are in final tender stages for a new Cruise Terminal for the city with permanent dedicated berthing for 3 cruise ships at any one time - this will mainly be used for the 2 ships that do a 6 month cruising season from the city by MSC.

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Why? a normal person explains from a point of reason and logic

Learnings from Rio and Tokyo would be observed naturally...and SAs hosting of FIFA 2010 proves a large event can easily be hosted. Every chance a CWGs and a RWC will come before 2028, the most logical time t host an Olympics.

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Why? a normal person explains from a point of reason and logic

Considering Barons post was more of an attack on my age and how someone my age can not possibly have good logic. Allow me to explain...

That picture sent images of delayed construction, strikes, and the likes all to my head.Now if you don't like my opinion because you want everyone to jump ship (like they did with Rio) just so the IOC can go to Africa, then go ahead do not like it and disagree I honestly don't care.

The picture you posted on the other hand shows a much nicer side of the city, still needs a bit more development before they are Olympic ready. i just think a good number of people here are too excited about the prospect of Africa hosting their first games and overlooking the fact that Durban is simply not ready.

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Didn't Baron just create a thread solely to remind people that he was ignoring them? If you ask me, when it comes to maturity, Baron is throwing stones from the front porch of his glass house. At least Bernham has youth as an excuse. That's more than Baron can say.

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Considering Barons post was more of an attack on my age and how someone my age can not possibly have good logic. Allow me to explain...

That picture sent images of delayed construction, strikes, and the likes all to my head.Now if you don't like my opinion because you want everyone to jump ship (like they did with Rio) just so the IOC can go to Africa, then go ahead do not like it and disagree I honestly don't care.

The picture you posted on the other hand shows a much nicer side of the city, still needs a bit more development before they are Olympic ready. i just think a good number of people here are too excited about the prospect of Africa hosting their first games and overlooking the fact that Durban is simply not ready.

It would be great if some of the people here had actually been to my country before making pronouncements

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