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Or Sochi!

I read somewhere the govt didn't want to allocate funds. One wonders why the EOC and the Dutch NOC didn't sort this question beforehand.

I would say a european games, if they succeed and take off a bit (and IOC is heavily behind them, so they might well) could serve several functions. for some cities it would line up both infrastructur

Would Baku then do double duty for 2019? Who are alternatives in the remaining 3 years? Who has a lot of university dorms that can double as the Village(s)? Madrid? I thought Paris (and requisition the hotels in Disneyland-Paris) as the temporary Village) but how it will play into Paris' fate for 2024 is the big question. Or Paris could blackmail the IOC and EAOC and agree to host 2019 contingent on winning 2024. Milan? Strasbourg? Maybe a regional or tri-city effort?

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Nobody really cares about European Games anyway. They should just let this thing die quietly.

Agreed. Nobody really cared in 2015, nobody wants to host the next ones (appart from, you know, those countries). The idea was interesting, but....no.

 

Just rename it the "Baku Games", or the "Dictatorial Games" and have them host the thing every 4 years if that makes them happy.

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Time they used a bit of common sense and branded the 2018 European Sport Championships as the 2nd European Games - only this time with the key sports in place.  At very least get that in place from 2022 and a Winter version in 2024 to mark 100 years of the Winter Olympics would be a good move.

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On 7/26/2016 at 0:54 PM, Brekkie Boy said:

Time they used a bit of common sense and branded the 2018 European Sport Championships as the 2nd European Games - only this time with the key sports in place.  At very least get that in place from 2022 and a Winter version in 2024 to mark 100 years of the Winter Olympics would be a good move.

 

The point though, if they can line up the ducks, is to have the continental Games (Asian, PanAms, All-Africa, Micronesian Games) serve as Olympic qualifiers the year before the big Olympic show.  If the Euros don't happen, then either the last World Champs serve as a qualifier or they stage a whole set of qualifying competitions.  So the calendar becomes too crazy.  

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Seeing the bid cities in wikipedia, i can say that the host could be between Istambul and Kazan or Sochi.

For the turks, the host would be a consolation price, and for the russ, they can use the games for a way to "clean" the image of Russia. At the end, the host will be like an Eurovision contest where eastern european countries can apply for them.

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Seeing the bid cities in wikipedia, i can say that the host could be between Istambul and Kazan or Sochi.

For the turks, the host would be a consolation price, and for the russ, they can use the games for a way to "clean" the image of Russia. At the end, the host will be like an Eurovision contest where eastern european countries can apply for them.

Erm...let's see:

1) Don't trust Wikipedia on bidder lists. We never had an official confirmation of anything.

2) Istanbul/Turkey - have you watched news from there during the last six weeks or so? They have other things on their minds these days.

3) Russia - the IOC itself has explicitly suspended holding international competition there for now. Letting them host this would only further tarnish the already low reputation of the European Games.

4) just a side note: You don't apply to host Eurovision, you have to win it first :-)

Oh, and of course while Hickey is in a Brazilian prison cell, these Games are locked away too, hooray!

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Obviously they shouldn't be held in places like Baku, Belarus etc, & the man in charge is clearly less than clean, but why does everyone seem to be against the European Games on principle, against the very idea of such an event even existing? It's always been an anomaly that Europe doesn't have a Games of its own, & every other country gets the chance to enter a second-level games, either continental or Commonwealth, so why shouldn't the likes of France, Germany, & the rest of continental Europe get that chance?

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There have been long established Euro Champs in all Olympic sports for decades already. I think in Asia or Panam, continental champs were introduced well after the continental Games, so in Europe the situation is historically different, and the introduction of the EG was clearly an EOC thing when Baku said they want to host (and pay for) it. IIRC, there was no other candidate and it was all rushed through. It also seems that the various IFs, like LEN for European aquatics or EAA for athletics were not consulted/alienated in the process.

Unless the EOC can find a proper meaning for the EG other than "some with oil & gas money want them", it's all superfluous.

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I was going to say, surely the solution lies in utilising the European Sports Championships. If they could merge the two events, the EOC would lose face (and probably some considerable money) but we'd get a proper continental games. If I were the EOC, I'd call off the 2019 plan, declare Glasgow the II European Games (it's just unfortunate that athletics is in Berlin), then call up Barcelona & ask if they'd be interested in 23. They're always up for hosting things & would need to build almost nothing. Then start properly from 27. I still firmly agree with the idea of a European Games, so the countries get to take part in a tier-2 event like everyone else, & so there's an event that can be hosted by countries that aren't the top 8ish powers in Europe. Once they start bidding processes, these should be the preserve of the Dublin, Lisbon, Zurich etc. 

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The 2019 European Games: The Priority for EOC Executive Committee

 

Bratislava, 23 September 2016: The European Olympic Committees (EOC) today held its third Executive Committee meeting of 2016 in Bratislava, Slovakia, with the focus centred on the 2019 European Games.

The meeting was chaired by EOC Vice-President and acting President of the EOC, Janez Kocijančič. (Elected President of the EOC, Patrick Hickey, temporarily stepped aside from all Olympic positions last month pending the outcome of legal proceedings in Brazil).
Speaking about Patrick Hickey’s situation, Janez Kocijančič said: “Today the EOC Executive Committee unanimously confirmed our shared belief that Patrick Hickey is innocent and the EOC is exploring ways in which we can help him to prove this and to completely clear his name and return to his family and Olympic duties.”

Regarding the 2019 European Games, the Executive Committee agreed on the critical importance of confirming a host city by the time of the General Assembly in Minsk in October.

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http://www.eurolympic.org/en/news/3823-the-2019-european-games-the-priority-for-eoc-executive-committee.html

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Azerbaijan And Israel Can Be Sometimes Europe.

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    On 10/4/2016 at 7:10 PM, zekekelso said:

    hmm.. outsource to Asia??

    ell, according to most maps, Baku is in Asia. As is Israel, which could host. 

Israel And Azerbaijan Can Be Sometimes Europe.

 

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Was thinking about this t'other day. If they really want to keep these Games going having a quiet word with Hungary wouldn't be the worst idea in the world.

Political issues aside, the biggest problem with Budapest's 2024 bid is the size of the city and its hotel capacity, not the venues which actually look pretty impressive. Maybe 2019 would be too soon now, but they'd surely make an ideal host for the smaller European Games at some point. And it'd be easy to sell the idea to Hungary, if they feel they want to prove their credentials at hosting multi-sport events to the IOC.

The political situation in Hungary in particular would make me wary. But in general having a quiet word in the ear of the weaker European bidders in any Olympic race wouldn't be a bad tactic for these Games going forward. If anyone wants them to survive, that is.

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