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Santiago 2023 "hardest building" to put together, admits Chilean NOC President (insidethegames.biz)

Not the least bit surprised the Santiago is finding it tough sledding prepping for the Pan Ams next year. What caught my eye was the Chilean NOC president commenting as difficult as the Pan Ams are the "Olympics would be impossible." I know the prospect of a Santiago bid (usually winter) gets kicked around the forums here from time to time, but this is the first time I`ve heard someone pour cold water on the idea of a Santiago Olympic bid. Frankly he1s right, after the Rio fiasco, there`s no city in Latin America that can stage an Olympics feasibly, even with the so-called New Norm. Forget Buenos Aires, Mexico, etc.

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On 8/30/2022 at 9:10 PM, stryker said:

Santiago 2023 "hardest building" to put together, admits Chilean NOC President (insidethegames.biz)

Not the least bit surprised the Santiago is finding it tough sledding prepping for the Pan Ams next year. What caught my eye was the Chilean NOC president commenting as difficult as the Pan Ams are the "Olympics would be impossible." I know the prospect of a Santiago bid (usually winter) gets kicked around the forums here from time to time, but this is the first time I`ve heard someone pour cold water on the idea of a Santiago Olympic bid. Frankly he1s right, after the Rio fiasco, there`s no city in Latin America that can stage an Olympics feasibly, even with the so-called New Norm. Forget Buenos Aires, Mexico, etc.

I wonder if this means that we might see a return to Canada or the US for a future PAG? If Latin American countries are finding it difficult to host... It would make sense.

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To be fair, if you read the article, it is mainly talking about political challenges - and Chile has been through a doozy of a roller coaster the past few years. Three governments - left to right to back to left, popular protests and riots, a drive for a new constitution and a divisive referendum on the new constitution coming up this weekend. It would be a challenge for any OC. As to building - he’s using it as a metaphor from his background in civil engineering. 

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7 hours ago, Comped said:

I wonder if this means that we might see a return to Canada or the US for a future PAG? If Latin American countries are finding it difficult to host... It would make sense.

Problem is the U.S. has shown no interest in bidding and Canada pulled out all the stops for Toronto in 2015.

The Pan And have effectively become a Latin American Games and had only one bidder in Barranquilla Colombia for the 2027 games. PASO is going to need to think about ways to make the Pan Ams more appealing as they are approaching Commonwealth Games type crisis territory with so few bidders. Frankly I think for them to be viable they will need to be scaled down.

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8 hours ago, stryker said:

Problem is the U.S. has shown no interest in bidding and Canada pulled out all the stops for Toronto in 2015.

The Pan And have effectively become a Latin American Games and had only one bidder in Barranquilla Colombia for the 2027 games. PASO is going to need to think about ways to make the Pan Ams more appealing as they are approaching Commonwealth Games type crisis territory with so few bidders. Frankly I think for them to be viable they will need to be scaled down.

Winnipeg could possibly bid for 2031.

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22 hours ago, SportLightning said:

Winnipeg could possibly bid for 2031.

At that point, well over a dozen different US cities, from Orlando to Vegas to Boston, even smaller cities like Omaha or Cincinnati, could probably be said to be appropriate sized/capable hosts. The USOC doesn't want to, but I bet there's a bunch of medium and smaller cities that would be interested because they're never going to get the Olympics anywhere close.

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1 hour ago, Comped said:

At that point, well over a dozen different US cities, from Orlando to Vegas to Boston, even smaller cities like Omaha or Cincinnati, could probably be said to be appropriate sized/capable hosts. The USOC doesn't want to, but I bet there's a bunch of medium and smaller cities that would be interested because they're never going to get the Olympics anywhere close.

I'm not sure about that yet.

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35 minutes ago, SportLightning said:

I'm not sure about that yet.

Orlando almost made an emergency bid for the 2020 Olympics (I have the resulting half the bid book that I helped with creating before the IOC reaffirmed Japan's hosting somewhere). If a city their size, or someplace else, was interested in bidding, there's little that stands in many of their ways besides the USOC not wanting to bid.

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On 9/2/2022 at 2:09 PM, Comped said:

Orlando almost made an emergency bid for the 2020 Olympics (I have the resulting half the bid book that I helped with creating before the IOC reaffirmed Japan's hosting somewhere). If a city their size, or someplace else, was interested in bidding, there's little that stands in many of their ways besides the USOC not wanting to bid.

Los Angeles may do 2035 Pan Am Games

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Part of the problem is that existing venues in the US are not acceptable for championship competition due to a non-standard size. For example lots of existing velodromes are 400 meters or 333 meters instead of 250 meters, and most aquatics centers in the USA have 8 lanes instead of 10.

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On 9/4/2022 at 1:02 PM, Nacre said:

Part of the problem is that existing venues in the US are not acceptable for championship competition due to a non-standard size. For example lots of existing velodromes are 400 meters or 333 meters instead of 250 meters, and most aquatics centers in the USA have 8 lanes instead of 10.

I'm not sure about that.

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On 9/7/2022 at 9:39 PM, Nacre said:

Which part are you unsure about?

About any others who have acceptable U.S. cities hosting the 2031 or 2035 Pan American Games. I think Los Angeles or Dallas could be possible.

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There are lots of possible cities; there are about 25 cities -if not more- in the USA that are big enough for the Pan-American Games. But much of our existing sporting infrastructure isn't suitable. Even in Los Angeles the swimming pools at USC are outdoors, for example, and thus technically are not acceptable for high level competitions by FINA.

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3 hours ago, Nacre said:

There are lots of possible cities; there are about 25 cities -if not more- in the USA that are big enough for the Pan-American Games. But much of our existing sporting infrastructure isn't suitable. Even in Los Angeles the swimming pools at USC are outdoors, for example, and thus technically are not acceptable for high level competitions by FINA.

As far as I'm aware FINA doesn't have any requirement that a pool be indoors so unless the organisation that arranges the Pan-Am Games has there own special requirements I doubt an outdoor pool would be a problem. 

These are some other major championships that I can recall were outdoors:

  • 2022 European Champs (Rome, ITA)
  • 2018 Comm Games (Gold Coast, AUS)
  • 2014 Pan Pacific Champs (Gold Coast, AUS)
  • 2009 World Champs (Rome, ITA)

Probably there are others.

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