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So Guadalajara was a downer too? :P

If the USOC does end up bidding, even with Tulsa, they'll surely win. The prospect of a Pan Ams going back to US soil will definitely get much needed exposure to a country which generally doesn't really care about those games.

Well, I'm not really a PanAm expert, but surely the US wouldn't just get them with any old place they'd present?

If the likes of Tulsa or whatever were up against, let's say Caracas or Montevideo, surely just the fact the US is bidding wouldn't get them anywhere? And maybe there is also some anti-US bias amongst the voters also?

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The fact of bidding with an US city is they want to locate the Pan Am Games in the US Sport map. They watch the Pan Ams like "The B Team Games" and I don't think the Pan Am in US soil change their minds about these continental Games.

We still expect that 2023 Pan Am could be South American Games, the second in a row. An US bid lay to rest any chance to Santiago to become a host city.... :(:(<_<

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Well, I'm not really a PanAm expert, but surely the US wouldn't just get them with any old place they'd present?

If the likes of Tulsa or whatever were up against, let's say Caracas or Montevideo, surely just the fact the US is bidding wouldn't get them anywhere? And maybe there is also some anti-US bias amongst the voters also?

I disagree, if Tulsa were to bid and come up with something half decent it could work. If PASO wants more US exposure, such a bid will win.

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Oh, for Pete's sake! Why is Tulsa still even mentioned anywhere on these boards for anything! I thought that absurd ship sailed off long ago. :-/ The state fair is all they'll ever be good for. And that ain't sayin' much, either.

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Cause it's the Pan Ams! A lesser event of course! :P They'll never get the Olympics, or even the Youth Olympics, but if they want that Olympic feel, well I guess there isn't a North American Games to host now is there? :P

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Guadalajara wasn't a downer, it was a better choice than Mexico City. Tulsa for Pan Ams... Still don't think so, maybe they coul bid but it's like La Paz, Argentina bid for 2019. For me, a Miami bid with cooeration of Ft. Laudrdale may work, only public transportation willbe a flop.

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Cause it's the Pan Ams! A lesser event of course! :P They'll never get the Olympics, or even the Youth Olympics, but if they want that Olympic feel, well I guess there isn't a North American Games to host now is there? :P

Yeah, the Pan Ams are a lesser event (thanks for reminding me, cuz I'd forgotten all about that :-P), but that doesn't mean that PASO would accept a "lesser" city bcuz of it, unless fricken Tulsa just happened to be the only city bidding for them.

Apart from Winnepeg, Indianpolis (which is still a larger urban area than Tulsa btw, & which Indy got by default cuz Santiago had to pull out from hosting those games anyway) & Mar del Plata, when have they been compelled to go to no-name cities simply cuz they're a "lesser event". The far majority of Pan Am hosts have taken place in the first &/or second most important cities in counties across the Americas'.

Plus, the 2011 Pan Ams had over 6,000 athletes in 361 events across 36 sports. That's no small feat even for the Pan Ams. But perhaps you should send an email to Neil Mavis & tell him that he's been going at it all wrong. That he needs to focus on the Pan Ams instead bcuz they're simply a "lesser event". :-P

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Cause it's the Pan Ams! A lesser event of course! :P They'll never get the Olympics, or even the Youth Olympics, but if they want that Olympic feel, well I guess there isn't a North American Games to host now is there? :P

lesser event but still big enough that Tulsa wouldn't be able to stage.

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Cause it's the Pan Ams! A lesser event of course! :P They'll never get the Olympics, or even the Youth Olympics, but if they want that Olympic feel, well I guess there isn't a North American Games to host now is there? :P

Lesser event? the second sport event with more numbers of SPORT EVENTS after the Olympics. More than Commonwealth Games, More tha Asian Games...

"Lesser" post, indeed, "lesser" information about Pan Ams

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Lesser event? the second sport event with more numbers of SPORT EVENTS after the Olympics. More than Commonwealth Games, More tha Asian Games...

"Lesser" post, indeed, "lesser" information about Pan Ams

Nope. Asian Games, Universiade all have more athletes and events.

But in terms of importance I would put it up there, because of all the Olympic qualifiers

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I meant a lesser event in terms of requirements and number of athletes participating.

There's no requirements to build a 60,000 seater main stadium, or 12,000 seater aquatics venue etc.

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Lord David makes a good point. The PanAms does a great job of remaning a large scale event but not requiring the burden of massive new infrastructure like other multi sport games, which probably has to do with the fact that there are many countries in the Americas who could not host the PanAms if they were required to be larger

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Exactly. Just offer athlete housing for up to 8,000 (overall). A half decent public transport network. Main media facilities of 30,000 or so sqm is fine. It could work. But we'll have to see if they really want it.

If the US does bid, expect them to win. Otherwise, why bother?

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But Tulsa doesn't have any of that, though. And while the Pan Ams doesn't require a 60,000 seat stadium, the next two, & the last two Pan Ams came close with 50,000. And Rio's maracana is way over that. Tulsa's largest facility is a mere 30,000.

If the U.S. were to go after the Pan Ams, they should at least go with one of the cities that would make the most sense for it, like Miami, Houston, San Diego, Minneapolis or even San Antonio again. But not fricken Tulsa, sheesh!

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Guadalajara had 40,000 and 60,000 football stadiums. They used a far smaller venue for athletics. Ruo built to the large scale they did because of the prospect of the Olympics.

I'm just saying if Tulsa wants it and the USOC is committed to bidding, they will win, even though it's a third or fourth rate city.

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I disagree, if Tulsa were to bid and come up with something half decent it could work. If PASO wants more US exposure, such a bid will win.

If PASO wants more US exposure, surely they won't vote for a bid that won't even get any exposure within the US (how many Americans actually know where Tulsa is - to be a bit provocative here).

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I'm just saying if Tulsa wants it and the USOC is committed to bidding, they will win, even though it's a third or fourth rate city.

As usual, & like most things, it would come down to the competition. If the USOC were interested in bidding for the Pan Ams (which isn't likely now anyway, since their focus ATM is an Olympic bid), they'd very likely have several cities coming forth to wanna become their candidate. And unless places like Rochester, Flint & Tupelo, MS are the places coming forth, Tulsa wouldn't stand a chance against a line-up of U.S. cities that I mentioned earlier, which are far more glamorous & exciting than fricken Tulsa. And even then, in the unlikely universe the USOC were to pick Tulsa, how would they stack up against the big capitals & other major cities in Latin America. Not very well, that's how. So no, Tulsa won't win even the Pan Ams. Tulsa is also not a third, or even fourth rate city. That just shows how little you know of the place & how much you're severely overrating it bcuz of that. Shouldn't be surprising, though. since you way over rate everything else that you endorse on these boards. :-P

Btw, Neil Mavis is awaiting your email. :-P

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We have discussed about Tulsa or an US bid. Is it official? If they are merely speculations, we shouldn't duscuss so much until it is. As fas as I know, Vásquez Raña wants to encourage US to bid, but no ofiicial response has been given, yet...


BTW: I don't want any US city for 2023 race, Santiago would be totally lost... Even with Tulsa, I think.

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BTW: I don't want any US city for 2023 race, Santiago would be totally lost... Even with Tulsa, I think.

Nah Tulsa is almost 100% a no go. Still no comparation to Santiago or Medellin. Be careful if a city like Miami, San Diego or San Antonio express interest. But taking in point the movement from the USOC it seems unlikely a 2023 Pan Am bid.

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Nah Tulsa is almost 100% a no go. Still no comparation to Santiago or Medellin. Be careful if a city like Miami, San Diego or San Antonio express interest. But taking in point the movement from the USOC it seems unlikely a 2023 Pan Am bid.

Which gave us a great posibility to be a strong contende (REAL strong this time....) And the race should be between Santiago and Medellín...

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Talking about strong contenders, some people in other forums are imaging about Monterrey and Sao Paulo 2023. Those bids would be near from Rio 2007 and Guadalajara 2011, so the strength of those cities is real?

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Talking about strong contenders, some people in other forums are imaging about Monterrey and Sao Paulo 2023. Those bids would be near from Rio 2007 and Guadalajara 2011, so the strength of those cities is real?

Monterrey had that dream since years -Even the Olympics- but the recent violence in the north of Mexico and the lack of a strong and unified government in Nuevo Leon, it seems unlikely to happen. Sao Paulo is interesting, but then, maybe Brazil will wait another instance until a new bid.

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Nothing indicates any bid coming from Brazil in the near future, although Brasília may want to daydream about it following the 2019 Universiade. Still, a longshot.

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Rosario, Argentina to bid for 2023 Pan Am Games

Remember Rosario was withdrawn instead La Punta for 2019 race.

Now, with Rosario running, and 2 possible bids (Santiago and Medellín) 2023 seems again to be South American Pan Ams.

http://www.impulsonegocios.com/contenidos/2014/01/07/Editorial_28859.php

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