Tatsh Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Now with the 2019 pan american games definied, it's turn to start talking about 2023 pan american games bid cities. Santiaago is too probably to bid again, and other cities like San Juan and Medellin are thinking to bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Coast Lions Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 2023 will most likely going to Central America either Panama or Costa Rica going to Central America for the 1st time in Pan American history it is the only region in the Americas which it has not been held yet, Or there is Miami USA which could be helping them in a lead up to the an 2032 Olympics Games bid it's in the Caribbean sea area. It will most likely be Miami USA or Panama City Panama which will host the 2023 Pan American Games Miami is hosting the 2017 Out Games which is the 2nd biggest Gay Sporting event in the world after the Gay Games, By 2023 it will be 36 years since the USA last hosted the Pan American Games in 1987 after Santiago De Chile pulled out on hosting them with out that it will be since 1959 since the USA last hosted the games in it's own right in Chicago Miami is an major city in the Caribbean sea area which could be the next Caribbean host city to the games. It could go like this Panama City Panama 2023 - Miami USA 2027 or vice versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 If the Us bids they win. If the Carribbean bid they would have 26 votes out of 54 (iirc). I don't think both will bid, which leaves Santiago as favourites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger87 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 2023 will most likely going to Central America either Panama or Costa Rica going to Central America for the 1st time in Pan American history it is the only region in the Americas which it has not been held yet, Or there is Miami USA which could be helping them in a lead up to the an 2032 Olympics Games bid it's in the Caribbean sea area. It will most likely be Miami USA or Panama City Panama which will host the 2023 Pan American Games Miami is hosting the 2017 Out Games which is the 2nd biggest Gay Sporting event in the world after the Gay Games, By 2023 it will be 36 years since the USA last hosted the Pan American Games in 1987 after Santiago De Chile pulled out on hosting them with out that it will be since 1959 since the USA last hosted the games in it's own right in Chicago Miami is an major city in the Caribbean sea area which could be the next Caribbean host city to the games. It could go like this Panama City Panama 2023 - Miami USA 2027 or vice versa. Are you serious with Central America?. Panama can't overcome the development of the event. and even with the recent developments of Panama City, the city has serious logistic and transport issues. Heck, it could be another Santo Domingo or worse. Costa Rica is a small economy and the other countries have bigger problems related to poverty and violence -Especially El Salvador and Honduras-. Even Uruguay is more likely than Central America at this point. Miami could be interesting otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryker Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 The U.S. doesn't appear to be interested in a Pan Am Games. Looks like 2023 could be ticketed for South America again, especially if Santiago decides to give it another go. I'd like to see Argentina wise up and put Buenos Aires forth as a candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Mata Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Last time the US bid was in 2002 and they've been silent ever since. Central and Caribbean seem to have too much on their hands now and I strongly believe 2019-2023 will be back to back South American Pan Ams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nacholympic Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 I think is too early to talk about possible bids. Anyway, after the epic fail of Santiago in Toronto for 2019 games, the president of Chilean Olympic Committee (COCH) has said that Santiago will bid for 2023 Games. He stated: "Chile tomó un camino y ese camino no lo debe abandonar. Si lo abandona, todo lo que se ha hecho no sirve de nada y es un volver a partir de nuevo" Translation: "Chile has taken a road and we have not to leave it. If we do, everything we have done wil be useless and it will be like start from square one" http://www.adnradio.cl/noticias/deportes/presidente-del-coch-chile-debe-postular-de-inmediato-a-los-juegos-panamericanos-2023/20131021/nota/1999072.aspx http://www.vivedeportes.cl/vdnoticias/videos/el-coch-ya-piensa-en-los-panamericanos-2023 Vásquez Raña has encoruraged the US to bid with Miami, but the USOC are too interested in gettting the Olympics for 2024. If Miami bids, Santiago we have a strong contender, but anyway the road for 2027 will be done. If it doesn't, the chances will be greater. Besides, the US doesn't take a major importance to the Pan Am event like a Southamerican country does. (Peru, for instance. They are taking advantage for the bid to make dramatic improvements in the city) By the time of the election (2017, it sould be) Santiago wil have hosted 3 important events that could strongly help to the bid: the South American Games in 2014, the America Cup and FIFA U - 17 World Cup, both in 2015. An important contender for Santiago could be MedellÃn, which also hosted the South American Games in 2010. Colombia has hosted important international events such as the World Games in 2013. The advantage that Santiago could have is it wil be the second bid in a row (which is not determinant) According to the rotation... is it determinant? Remember that Toronto came just after Guadalajara. The point is Mexico and Canada are not bordering countries and their culture is too different. Not the case of Perú and Chile, which could be a danger facot for Chile's bid. Anothet important factor is the goverment support. Piera goverment has totally suported the 2019 bid, but in 2014 the oposition wil take over the goverent. With Michelle Bachelet as head of the country, we don't know if she will support a bid. Anyway, in her previous goverment, she got 2008 FIFA U - 20 Women World Cup and the 2014 South American Games. She is too respected in the politics area, not the same for Sebastian Piñera, who was over critisized not insode Chile, but all over the politic area. Anyway, we have recently recovering from this kick in our ass after the poor support we got in the recent 2019 bid election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Santiago also loses its appeal of being the first Pacific games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nacholympic Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Santiago also loses its appeal of being the first Pacific games. Pacific Games?? No, we have not bidded for those games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Pacific Games?? No, we have not bidded for those games. What I meant is the first Pan Am Games on the Pacific coast. Lima took that away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nacholympic Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 As far as I know, we have not bidded for any othetr sport event but Pan Am. Lima may be, not Santiago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 What I meant is the first Pan Am Games on the Pacific coast. Lima took that away. Uhm, Santiago isn't a coastal city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsh Posted December 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Uhm, Santiago isn't a coastal city. Is not a coastal city, but is too near from that. And i expect that Santiago will bid for 2023, because, more than a ideology issue, the panam games are taken like a state-politics topic 8unless in some countries). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nacholympic Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Is not a coastal city, but is too near from that. And i expect that Santiago will bid for 2023, because, more than a ideology issue, the panam games are taken like a state-politics topic 8unless in some countries). Precisely, the huge mistake that Piñera goverment did at 2019 bid was taken it as a political issue and not as a sport issue. Anyway, if the new goverment give the support again, despite of being a political issue, may be not as notorious as it was. It's just a merely suposition of myself. If it will. it will be in responde to the sea territorial issue we have with Peru, wichi its final desition will be known next January in La Haya (which, honestly, I think Perú will win) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Uhm, Santiago isn't a coastal city. Um you haven't done your research. Water sports like water skiing would be held on the coast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Um you haven't done your research. Water sports like water skiing would be held on the coast. And there was me thinking those would be held at Atacama desert! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nacholympic Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Anyway, we have not bidded for those games. Bad information... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Mata Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Santiago also loses its appeal of being the first Pacific games. Technically, Guadalajara 2011 was the first games on the Pacific with Puerto Vallarta hosting beach sports and sailing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord David Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 The US needs to put up a city, any city, heck even Tulsa can get some sort of regional glory (cause we all know they're not getting an Olympics), just so the Pan Ams becomes relevant in that country once again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deawebo Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 If USA fails to win 2024 SOG, the 2023 Pam Am sound like a good warm up... Maybe LA or a middle-sized city, Miami, for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 If USA fails to win 2024 SOG, the 2023 Pam Am sound like a good warm up... Maybe LA or a middle-sized city, Miami, for example. Both in the same venue isn;t happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsh Posted December 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 If USA fails to win 2024 SOG, the 2023 Pam Am sound like a good warm up... Maybe LA or a middle-sized city, Miami, for example. or Tulsa, just think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord David Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Exactly. Tulsa has crazy dreams about an Olympics. Give them that Olympic feel by having them host the Pan Ams. A much smaller event where capacities of venues etc are much smaller. No need to match or top the previous host. A legacy 20,000+ seater athletics venue for example. A relocated Tulsa State Fair site. No need for any rail for a Pan Ams, just upgrade bus services. It could work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 or Tulsa, just think about it. Tulsa would be still a bit of a downer after Rio, Toronto and Lima. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord David Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 So Guadalajara was a downer too? If the USOC does end up bidding, even with Tulsa, they'll surely win. The prospect of a Pan Ams going back to US soil will definitely get much needed exposure to a country which generally doesn't really care about those games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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