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North Korea, the Vatican, Cuba, Iceland and Monaco? :blink:

Look the point is is that they are there in the process. Istanbul weren't exactly the perfect bidder and they came 2nd?

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Norway borders Russia too. You forgot about possible riots in Oslo

Passion Lviv's Here.

I don't wish to be rude but a lot of rubbish is spoken on these forums and that is a wonderful example of complete nonsense, nothing could be further from the truth.

Look the point is is that they are there in the process. Istanbul weren't exactly the perfect bidder and they came 2nd?

Well, w/ only 3 candidates and AFTER 5 tries. And you can't compare Turkey and the Ukraine. Turkey is a moderate muslim country, has an economy that's chugging along despite the strain and drain of receiving almost a million refugees from Syria, and has a market of some 72 million. Ukraine isn't anywhere near those numbers. Lviv isn't even the Ukraine's premier city.

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Istanbul has the potential to offer the Olympic Movement so much more than Lviv does, though. But yet coming in second is still not winning. And many cite the Turkish protest for that. The Ukranian protest is just the final nail in the coffin to even not make candidate stage.

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Look I am personally supporting Lviv in order of who I want to win is - 1) Lviv, Ukraine - 2) Stockholm, Sweden - 3) Beijing, China - 4) Krakow, Poland - 5) Oslo, Norway and 6) Almaty, Kazakhstan.

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That's all fine & dandy, support Lviv to your hearts content. But if you're gonna challenge others POV's here, & then don't be surprised that you'll get challenged back. Plain & simple. That's what these boards are about in the first place.

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There's always a bid in any given bid race, though, that's rated last, & in this case, unfortunately for you, it's Lviv. Whether you like that or not, that is the reality of the matter. It's nothing against the city or the country itself, only the bid. So don't take it too personal.

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I'm not taking it personal im not Ukrainian nor do I live there I am English but I do know how the process works as I supported London obviously my city in 2012 we won fair enough I supported Pyeongchang for 2014 but Sochi won, 2016 I supported Rio de Janeiro they won, 2018 I supported Pyeongchang they won, Tokyo I supported in 2020 they won so 4 out of 5 wins for me is not bad.

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Of course you supported London, since that is your home city. So you couldn't have been all too objective on that when all the predictions were Paris 2012. I also predicted PyeongChang 2018 & Tokyo 2020 (despite so many against the Japanese bid). I also predicted Athens 2004 & Being 2008 & Vancouver 2010. So my record is as good as "yours". And I'm saying Stockholm for 2022. And no, I don't have Swedish heritage, either.

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Of course you supported London, since that is your home city. So you couldn't have been all too objective on that when all the predictions were Paris 2012. I also predicted PyeongChang 2018 & Tokyo 2020 (despite so many against the Japanese bid). I also predicted Athens 2004 & Being 2008 & Vancouver 2010. So my record is as good as "yours". And I'm saying Stockholm for 2022. And no, I don't have Swedish heritage, either.

London I was biased but so would anyone else for their City/Country and so you have been in my shoes you supported Tokyo when everyone was against it just like I am with Lviv and just to add I also predicted PyeongChang 2018 and Tokyo 2020 so me and you agree on most things.

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I can usually feel the vibe of the IOC but I believe in Lviv. Name me one country that doesn't have protests. My England does. America does. European Countries do. Australia do. Asian Countries do.

When was the last time several hundred thousand people demonstrated in London wanting to get rid of the one residing in Downing St 10?

In other words: Imagine ten years ago, it wouldn't have been London but Liverpool (i.e. a "B-list" city from the UK) bidding for Summer Games, without having any reasonable hosting experience other than a few matches of Euro 96 maybe. Competition would come from (as actually happened) Paris, Moscow and New York. Would already be a struggle, no? Then imagine a huge crowd blocking the capital's centre for weeks in freezing temperatures demanding Tony Blair to step down (or, heathens, become a republic). Can you really imagine that the IOC would put Liverpool on the short list for 2012? Well, that's exactly the scenario the Lviv bid finds itself in now, IMHO.

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When was the last time several hundred thousand people demonstrated in London wanting to get rid of the one residing in Downing St 10?

In other words: Imagine ten years ago, it wouldn't have been London but Liverpool (i.e. a "B-list" city from the UK) bidding for Summer Games, without having any reasonable hosting experience other than a few matches of Euro 96 maybe. Competition would come from (as actually happened) Paris, Moscow and New York. Would already be a struggle, no? Then imagine a huge crowd blocking the capital's centre for weeks in freezing temperatures demanding Tony Blair to step down (or, heathens, become a republic). Can you really imagine that the IOC would put Liverpool on the short list for 2012? Well, that's exactly the scenario the Lviv bid finds itself in now, IMHO.

G20 Protests in 2009 and Student Protests in 2013.

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G20 Protests in 2009 and Student Protests in 2013.

You didn't answer my other question. Besides, protesting G20 or student taxation etc is not the same as wanting to get rid of the government because of fear it sells the country to an autocratic neighbour.

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You didn't answer my other question. Besides, protesting G20 or student taxation etc is not the same as wanting to get rid of the government because of fear it sells the country to an autocratic neighbour.

G20 Protests were against Government and apoligies your other question - Liverpool would struggle yes but look at Atlanta 96 I can name 3 cities bigger than - New York City, Washington DC and Chicago.

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London I was biased but so would anyone else for their City/Country and so you have been in my shoes you supported Tokyo when everyone was against it just like I am with Lviv and just to add I also predicted PyeongChang 2018 and Tokyo 2020 so me and you agree on most things.

Lviv & Tokyo are nowhere in the same league, though. And while many were against Tokyo in the 2020 race, many expected, however, that the Japanese were gonna be on to the 2020 short-list. That's not the case with Lviv, though. They are the weakest bid of all the 2022 applicants. It's not going through to candidate stage.

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Lviv & Tokyo are nowhere in the same league, though. And while many were against Tokyo in the 2020 race, many expected, however, that the Japanese were gonna be on to the 2020 short-list. That's not the case with Lviv, though. They are the weakest bid of all the 2022 applicants. It's not going through to candidate stage.

Ok you are right.

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G20 Protests were against Government and apoligies your other question - Liverpool would struggle yes but look at Atlanta 96 I can name 3 cities bigger than - New York City, Washington DC and Chicago.

You completely missed my point, but whatever...

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That's all fine & dandy, support Lviv to your hearts content. But if you're gonna challenge others POV's here, & then don't be surprised that you'll get challenged back. Plain & simple. That's what these boards are about in the first place.

And sorry Tony, but some of the regulars ("us" might be construed as too presumptuous) can really cut off the back of the class early on. And as FYI says, we call it early here. So, Lviv unfortunately, falls in that category.

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True but this argument is over now.

The issue is not which city you support. You can champion any city you choose and flip-flop as many times as you like. The point is that Olympic bids are competitive and nothing is "given." It won't be "given" to the Swedes any more than it would be "given" to the Ukrainians. Sure some bids leverage sympathy (Rio being a prime example), but that too is part of the competitive terrain. It's all about which bid is most compelling at a given moment in time.

FYI, you beat me to the age question.

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Oh, newbies can't call "Game Over" here until u've reached 5,000 posts. But u're working on it, Tony. ;)

At this rate, my guess is tomorrow noon at the latest.

At this rate, my guess is tomorrow noon at the latest.

Oh and that was just my own 300th post :D

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