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I agree. On one hand you got to respect that he is not being naive, but on the other, he should be supporting his Bid. If the Bid leader isn't confident, what chance is there of the IOC being confident in Lviv 2022.

I don't remember any bid recently in an equally awkward situation, except for Tokyo post-Fukushima, and I think they weren't even officially bidding yet when it happened.

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Tokyo post-Fukushima was in a situation where the nation's focus was elsewhere for a while, but nobody sensible ever questioned Tokyo's appeal or ability to organise a Games because of that and the bid team went about their business professionally and got the prize.

The Ukraine bid team already sound defeated, understandably have other things occupying their minds right now ("we found three bullets in our office") and surely know they won't be able to convince the IOC before July that their nation has stable enough governance to be shortlisted.

No comparison in my mind. Tokyo 2020 was in an awkward situation, sure, but one that was more than salvagable.

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Was Istanbul not in an awkward situation too? Granted it was later on in the bidding stage.

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Tokyo post-Fukushima was in a situation where the nation's focus was elsewhere for a while, but nobody sensible ever questioned Tokyo's appeal or ability to organise a Games because of that and the bid team went about their business professionally and got the prize.

The Ukraine bid team already sound defeated, understandably have other things occupying their minds right now ("we found three bullets in our office") and surely know they won't be able to convince the IOC before July that their nation has stable enough governance to be shortlisted.

No comparison in my mind. Tokyo 2020 was in an awkward situation, sure, but one that was more than salvagable.

What I meant is that no other bids faced such enormous challenges, so the potential of a bid official being as downbeat as the Lviv guy was already very limited, and Tokyo did indeed react completely differently to the challenge.

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There are rumors that FIBA is going to deprive Ukraine of Eurobasket 2015 hosting rights. The Ukrainian deputy, who was responsible for the whole preparation process, just... well, vanished, probably fled to Russia.

The problem is that Ukraine has already paid some duties and FIBA doesn't really want to give that money back. They plan to change it to some king of multinational championship (Lviv + Poland + Czech Rep?).

The multipurpose arena for Eurobasket is planned to be used as one of the ice hockey venues in Lviv bid.

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So if Ukraine is getting stripped of things, why isn't Russia?

C'mon Tony, you can't be serious with that question.

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Tokyo post-Fukushima was in a situation where the nation's focus was elsewhere for a while, but nobody sensible ever questioned Tokyo's appeal or ability to organise a Games because of that and the bid team went about their business professionally and got the prize.

Tokio it self didn't take too much damage and Fukushima radiation spread is not as big as people think and somehow could be solved in 6 years. No body ask here about Chernobyl in Ukraine even thru meltdown remaiment and it's radiation is still there and they still need to bunkered

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http://au.eurosport.com/basketball/ukraine-gives-up-right-to-stage-eurobasket-2015_sto4180014/story.shtml

Ukraine gives up right to stage Eurobasket 2015
Ukraine has given up the hosting rights for next year's European basketball championship due to its political and financial situation but would like to stage Eurobasket 2017, the tournament director said on Wednesday.

"I cannot imagine how to carry out preparations in the current severe economic and political conditions," Markiyan Lubkivsky said in a statement.

"The first and main unfavourable condition is the aggression of Russia towards the Ukraine that has caused instability and threatens the security of South-Eastern regions of Ukraine," Lubkivsky added in the statement.

"This situation demands for Ukraine to review our priorities and concentrate financial and political resources for saving territorial integrity and even independence."

Russian President Vladimir Putin, defying Ukrainian protests and Western sanctions, signed a treaty in Moscow on Tuesday making Crimea part of Russia again but said he did not plan to seize any other regions of Ukraine.

"The other factor is a complicated financial situation. There is a need to resolve hard social issues of higher priority," Lubkivsky added in the statement.

"It is obvious our country cannot afford to support private investors building the arenas or fund preparations that we are responsible for. Moreover, the local organising committee feels (there is a) lack of time."

Ukraine is ready, however, to ask basketball's world governing body FIBA if the country could instead stage Eurobasket 2017, the hosting of which is in tune with the state's strategy of forging closer ties with Europe.

"With regard to the ongoing events I think we have the right to ask FIBA to grant Ukraine the opportunity to stage the tournament in 2017, in trusting the championship in 2015 to some other European country or even a few.

"It would be fair as we have already done a lot of preparation (and) started to construct the arenas that might be unfinished."

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I admire Lviv for wanting to put a bid out there, but at this point given what's going on in Crimea, it's just not feasible. Even if this situation with Russia wasn't happening right now, Ukraine is downright broke, and they'd have to build a lot of their venues from scratch. The costs would just be too astronomical to contemplate for any government in it's straight, but you add Russia in on top of it and they're going nowhere quick.

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FIBA denies Ukraine to give up 2015 Euro basket

March 20, 2014

MUNICH (AP) — The European basketball federation denied reports on Wednesday that Ukraine has pulled out of hosting next year's continental championship amid political and economic turmoil.

FIBA Europe said its board will "discuss all recent developments regarding EuroBasket 2015" at a meeting this weekend in Munich, Germany.

Earlier Wednesday, the tournament director said Ukraine had withdrawn from the 24-team event, citing political uncertainty over Russia's annexation of Crimea and serious financial pressures.

AP

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2014-03-20/fiba-denies-ukraine-to-give-up-2015-euro-basket

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FIBA denies Ukraine to give up 2015 Euro basket

March 20, 2014

MUNICH (AP) — The European basketball federation denied reports on Wednesday that Ukraine has pulled out of hosting next year's continental championship amid political and economic turmoil.

FIBA Europe said its board will "discuss all recent developments regarding EuroBasket 2015" at a meeting this weekend in Munich, Germany.

Earlier Wednesday, the tournament director said Ukraine had withdrawn from the 24-team event, citing political uncertainty over Russia's annexation of Crimea and serious financial pressures.

AP

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2014-03-20/fiba-denies-ukraine-to-give-up-2015-euro-basket

ROTFL!

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Not even a basketball tournament lol

But seriously, at this current situation, if Ukraine will keep united it will a victory and this current view to the next elections is dark and terrible.

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This sounds like a joke but the IIHF awarded 2015 Ice Hockey World Championship Division I Group A to Donetsk. The Ukrainian bid won the vote against Krakow.

Lviv will be probably shortlisted in July :lol:

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Lviv will be probably shortlisted in July :lol:

The IOC may have their quirks, but they aren't stupid. FIFA awarded Qatar, but that didn't translate into the IOC doing the same. On the contrary.

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Agreed. The IOC is lucky it has FIFA as contrast. Compared to FIFA the IOC is perfect.

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30/06/2014

Following positive discussions between the President of the International Olympic Committee (IOC), Thomas Bach, the Ukrainian Prime Minister, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, and the President of the National Olympic Committee (NOC) of Ukraine, Sergey Bubka, all parties have agreed that Lviv will turn its attention to an Olympic bid for 2026, and not continue with its application for 2022.

The decision comes as a result of the present political and economic circumstances in Ukraine, which were discussed between the three parties.

“The preliminary evaluation by the IOC’s working group found that the Lviv bid offered huge potential for future development,” said IOC President Thomas Bach. “In my discussions with the Ukrainian Prime Minster and NOC President, we concluded that it would be extremely difficult to pursue the 2022 bid under the current circumstances, but that a future bid would make sense for Ukraine and Ukrainian sport.”

The Ukrainian Prime Minister agreed that “a bid for 2026 would have excellent potential for the economic recovery of the country, and could have huge benefits for Ukrainian society”.

For the NOC, President Sergey Bubka added: “We would like to thank the IOC very much for its help and understanding, as well as the great assistance that it has given to Ukrainian athletes from all parts of the country, both morally and financially.”

http://www.olympic.org/news/ioc-statement-on-2022-bidding-process/234698

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Sanity prevails. Though given Ukraine's years of political instability you'd think the IOC would want to wait longer than four years before being certain Ukraine is a stable host.

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It's sensible, and the statements from November ("strong field of bids", "twice as many as last time") really fall down heavily on the IOC's feet. There's just as many left as for 2018, but while there were two easy bids of which the geopolitically (and sentimentally?) favourable won and the third made up numbers, we now have an obvious fave which may still very well withdraw for financial reasons, leaving two geopolitically very unfavourable options.

But of course it's all rosy in Lausanne...

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