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Both Almaty and Beijing has smog issues with the issues right now going on in the Islamic world I don't see the IOC picking Almaty Kazakhstan to host the games, Beijing China will be hosting the 2022 Winter Games and host a fine outstanding games.

Kazakhstan voted against Gay Rights in the UN and China was neutral the Chinese are more gay friendly then Kazakhstan are and what is going on in Kazakhstan right now with Gay issues we can kiss Kazakhstan goodbye to hosting any Olympics and Paralympics Games in the future and I think the IOC don't want to deal with another country like Russia in which the bad press from Sochi 2014. Beijing China will be hosting the 2022 Winter Games.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/08/26/kazakhstan-mayor-says-media-are-brainwashing-children-with-gay-propaganda/

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/10/28/kazakhstan-ad-company-ordered-to-pay-188000-in-damages-over-gay-kiss-poster/

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/08/28/kazakhstan-gay-club-poster-sparks-controversy-over-gay-kiss/

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Oh damn. I really thought me posting that would convince the IOC members to not vote for Beijing. Because I have that much sway over who they vote for. :blink:

My Point is, Almaty 2022 is even worse then Beijing 2022. I don't see You posting stuff about the problems with Almaty 2022 like You do with Beijing 2022. I've acknowledged Beijing 2022 has problems, but Beijing 2022 is still the better option over Almaty 2022.

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It's my opinion that by winter 2022 the smog problem in Beijing will be much less than it is now, possibly even to levels low enough to compare to many North American or European cities. Reasons:

1) Most importantly, replacement of coal with nuclear power and to a lesser extent, natural gas. A passel of nuclear power plants are currently under construction with most of that capacity coming online between 2016 and 2020. Some of these plants are located along the north China coast and will distribute to Beijing area and to the factory belts of the region. Get rid of the coal for heat, electricity, and factory power and you get rid of about 3/4 of the problem.

2) Change in economy. Less heavy manufacturing "smokestack" industry and more clean industry (hi tech) and more service industries. That's happening right now.

3) Political will and citizen outrage. The anger over all forms of pollution but air in particular, is real, intense, and no longer joked about like it might have been even 3-4 years ago. I think the tipping point has finally been reached to where official anti-pollution policy and the will to enforce it will move in a more environmentally-protective direction.

While I'm not a particular fan of a Beijing/Zhangjiakou Winter Olympics bid, smog fears aren't a reason.

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Everybody knows that Beijing's Bid has issues. Almaty's Bid also has issues. Beijing has delivered before and they can deliver again. Beijing 2022 will happen.

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It's my opinion that by winter 2022 the smog problem in Beijing will be much less than it is now, possibly even to levels low enough to compare to many North American or European cities. Reasons:

1) Most importantly, replacement of coal with nuclear power and to a lesser extent, natural gas. A passel of nuclear power plants are currently under construction with most of that capacity coming online between 2016 and 2020. Some of these plants are located along the north China coast and will distribute to Beijing area and to the factory belts of the region. Get rid of the coal for heat, electricity, and factory power and you get rid of about 3/4 of the problem.

2) Change in economy. Less heavy manufacturing "smokestack" industry and more clean industry (hi tech) and more service industries. That's happening right now.

3) Political will and citizen outrage. The anger over all forms of pollution but air in particular, is real, intense, and no longer joked about like it might have been even 3-4 years ago. I think the tipping point has finally been reached to where official anti-pollution policy and the will to enforce it will move in a more environmentally-protective direction.

While I'm not a particular fan of a Beijing/Zhangjiakou Winter Olympics bid, smog fears aren't a reason.

Good points raised.

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They are Good Points, but there are issues surrounding Beijing 2022, just they haven't got as much problems as Almaty 2022.

Well of course there are issues with both cities. There is no such thing as a perfect, issue-less Olympic candidate, every city will have its fair share of problems. The IOC takes into account which ones they're willing to deal with relative to other candidates.

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Beijing will be Hosting the 2022 Winter Olympics and Paralympics. For the sake of the Olympic Movement, Beijing is our Best Bid over Almaty's Bid.

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Beijing has the Better Venues and Infrastructure then Almaty does.

really?? i thought almaty has better venues they also have more experience and for example almaty this week hosting the universiade championships of speed skating in the medeo...

really?? i thought almaty has better venues they also have more experience and for example almaty this week hosting the universiade championships of speed skating in the medeo...

oh and by the way look how beijing promotes their bid by building the asia's largest ice park in wukesong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAyU-9PejEE

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Yeah, Almaty does and will have some venues. With Beijing, we know the venues are ready, just that they need some work done to convert them to a Winter Olympic venue.

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Yeah, Almaty does and will have some venues. With Beijing, we know the venues are ready, just that they need some work done to convert them to a Winter Olympic venue.

Only most of the ice venues are ready. A speed skating oval, sliding track and all the snow venues need to be built. Fact is Almaty has more venues ready then Beijing does at this point.

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Only most of the ice venues are ready. A speed skating oval, sliding track and all the snow venues need to be built. Fact is Almaty has more venues ready then Beijing does at this point.

Agreed, on paper, Almaty has more venues, but Almaty also has more general issues with it's bid. Also, Beijing has an Opening and Closing Ceremonies venue, that doesn't need any work, unlike Almaty, which needs to expand and renovate there Stadium. Yes, they both have issues, but we know Beijing can deliver. It will be interesting when the IOC decides the host.

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Agreed, on paper, Almaty has more venues, but Almaty also has more general issues with it's bid. Also, Beijing has an Opening and Closing Ceremonies venue, that doesn't need any work, unlike Almaty, which needs to expand and renovate there Stadium. Yes, they both have issues, but we know Beijing can deliver. It will be interesting when the IOC decides the host.

The premise that Beijing can deliver is also based on their spending billions upon billions of dollars. I don't doubt that's the case here, but we're also talking about mountain venues more than stadiums and arenas which are easier to find a use for. They're basically being asked to build a Winter resort from scratch. Almaty has done that, albeit just on a smaller scale. The question for Beijing is what exactly are they delivering here? Will it be something where they're at least attempting to leave a legacy or just a one shot deal that may or may not have any use post-Games. Obviously the IOC is in a bind here as they have no good options, but that's what they're faced with.

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