baron-pierreIV Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Or it's a ploy to fool China (for Mr. Premier coming to attend the Sochi opening) but then secretly vote for Lviv or ALmaty anyway?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger87 Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 In this time, I vote for Stefan theory. I don't think Putin will vote for Lviv -Why? He prefers the "other" battle in Ukraine, especially being Lviv the center of the opposition-. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotguy Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 BBC article on China's Bid http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26252516 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 When we visited the Ten Thousand Dragons ski resort something rare happened - it started to snow. Snow at ski resort, you might think, what a bizarre thing to say. But one of the ski resort's managers told us it was only the second time it had snowed there this winter. The region is bone dry. Almost all the snow on the slopes is artificially made. It begs the question: can you host a Winter Olympics without any real snow? "It's not a problem," said the resort's ski manager, who would only give her name as Ms Liang. "It's cold enough here. We'll just use artificial snow like in Sochi." The slopes at the resort are also not long enough to host the men's downhill event. Ms Liang admitted that China's bid team will need to find a higher mountain and build a whole new resort. This is starting to look less and less like the "reliable" fallback policy that many have thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Well, I think they are reliable in the sense that they would throw anything necessary into it to make it happen, no matter the price tag or environmental concerns. I'm just not sure the IOC would really want to go down that route - as long as there's at least one of Oslo/Kraków left, Beijing should not have a serious chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord David Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 How odd that Russia would back Beijing more than say, Ukraine, or even Almaty. Or is this merely China's spin on the matter? Either a mix on Chinese spin, or the Russians know that due to Sochi, Almaty nor Lviv has a chance of actually getting the Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Indoor venues: Wukesong Arena, Capital Indoor Stadium, and Olympic Sports Center Gymnasium. Not sure where curling will be. Sliding sports will be held 90km away from Beijing at Xiaohaituo Mountain area. Source Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) were any specific plans revealed about a Beijing 2022 downhill venue? Edited February 20, 2014 by paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Tuo Mountain area - Yanqing. Which is about 90km away from Beijing,. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nacre Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Well, I think they are reliable in the sense that they would throw anything necessary into it to make it happen, no matter the price tag or environmental concerns. I'm just not sure the IOC would really want to go down that route - as long as there's at least one of Oslo/Kraków left, Beijing should not have a serious chance. Exactly. China has a lot of problems, but it can solve them more easily than western countries. Unbelievably bad air pollution from coal plants could be fixed by simply cutting off heating and electricity for its people in February. The local food supply of questionable quality won't be a problem for athletes and concessions since they will be supplied with international ingredients. You can cover an artificial mountain with machine generated snow if money is no object and you don't care if the venues are white elephants. I have no idea how you would stop the sandstorms off the Gobi that hit in the winter, but I'm sure they'll find a way. The local people (and visitors who aren't at the venues or five star hotels) may suffer, but China will solve any problems it faces if it wins the bid. I'm just sad about this because it makes it seem like I'm slamming China. But things were just as bad -if not worse- in western countries during the time when we were newly industrialized and burning coal. Let's not forget the numerous rivers that caught fire because they were so badly polluted, slavery and lynchings in the USA, fascism in Europe, "White Australia", etc. As the Chinese middle class grows it will democratize further; it's several decades behind the west right now, but it will get there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony E Loves Architecture Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Exactly. China has a lot of problems, but it can solve them more easily than western countries. Unbelievably bad air pollution from coal plants could be fixed by simply cutting off heating and electricity for its people in February. The local food supply of questionable quality won't be a problem for athletes and concessions since they will be supplied with international ingredients. You can cover an artificial mountain with machine generated snow if money is no object and you don't care if the venues are white elephants. I have no idea how you would stop the sandstorms off the Gobi that hit in the winter, but I'm sure they'll find a way. The local people (and visitors who aren't at the venues or five star hotels) may suffer, but China will solve any problems it faces if it wins the bid. I'm just sad about this because it makes it seem like I'm slamming China. But things were just as bad -if not worse- in western countries during the time when we were newly industrialized and burning coal. Let's not forget the numerous rivers that caught fire because they were so badly polluted, slavery and lynchings in the USA, fascism in Europe, "White Australia", etc. As the Chinese middle class grows it will democratize further; it's several decades behind the west right now, but it will get there. Seriously? Cutting off peoples electricity. They can't do that. If your paying for heating, they can't just turn it off because they want to fix there smog reputation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Seriously? Cutting off peoples electricity. They can't do that. If your paying for heating, they can't just turn it off because they want to fix there smog reputation. Tony.... I'd highly encourage you to do some world travel. You'll see lots of great architecture. And you'll learn that things in other countries don't always work how they do in jolly old England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Seriously? Cutting off peoples electricity. They can't do that. If your paying for heating, they can't just turn it off because they want to fix there smog reputation. Cutting off people's *electricity* is one of the more harmless things to happen if said people are in the way of a big project in China. Just saying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nacre Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Seriously? Cutting off peoples electricity. They can't do that. If your paying for heating, they can't just turn it off because they want to fix there smog reputation. I believe they considered it as an emergency measure for 2008, though it wasn't necessary in the end. My point is that China, as an authoritarian country, is able to take extreme measures that would bury a democratic government in order to pull the games off successfully. The question with a Chinese Olympic bid is not whether they would find a way to fix any problems encountered, but the human cost of the games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 I don't think the IOC cares about the human cost of the Games as long as it is swept under the rug. I think they see it as the cost of doing business and trying to maintain a global presence. The reason the IOC won't want to return to China is the proximity of Beijing 2008, PC 2018 and Tokyo 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony E Loves Architecture Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 I don't think the IOC cares about the human cost of the Games as long as it is swept under the rug. I think they see it as the cost of doing business and trying to maintain a global presence. The reason the IOC won't want to return to China is the proximity of Beijing 2008, PC 2018 and Tokyo 2020. I agree that the IOC won't return to China because of the proximity of Beijing 2008, PyeongChang 2018 and Tokyo 2020, but I don't think that's the only reason. I keep saying it, but Environment Issues (Especially in the Winter), Human Rights issues, Communism Government and bad International relations with Macau, Hong Kong, Tibet and Japan will all play a role. Though some could argue that those issues didn't affect Beijing's successful Bid for the 2008 Summer Olympics and Paralympics, but I believe that the IOC gave China the benefit of the doubt. Now though, even after the Beijing Olympics and Paralympics in 2008, those issues are still existing. So I reckon that the IOC won't go back there for a very long time and when they do, I reckon it will be a Summer Olympics and Paralympics in Shanghai, China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 For the 393939022th time there aren't any serious issues with Macau or Hong Kong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofan Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 I can't stand how Tony blurts out this verbal diarrhea, and when he's corrected he just ignores it and doesn't learn from it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trebor204 Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 Questionnaire: http://doc.rero.ch/record/209615/files/Beijing_2022_applicant_city.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nemo Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 I don't understand what this logo is supposed to be. Is it a fire breathing dragon that becomes a ski slop ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 Looks like a jai-alai player to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hektor Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 (edited) There is an Albertville effect in this bid. The snowboard venues are spread over three different resorts for instance. In fact the ski venues are not at all in Zhangjiakou, they are around a ski resort named Taizicheng (can be found on Google maps) where the Olympic Village is located. Taizicheng is as far from Zhangjiakou as Sochi was from Rosa Khutor. And I don't speak of Beijing. Zhangjiakou has a population of 500,000, would have made quite a decent bid city I think. Edited March 19, 2014 by hektor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.bernham Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 Flash backs anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamC Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 The capacities for the indoor arenas are weird: National Indoor Stadium is listed as having 6,000 seats instead of 17,000 Wukesong has 10,000 instead of 10,000 Capital Indoor Stadium has 12,000 instead of 13,000 I'm a bit lost here, are they planning on actually REDUCING the capacities for the games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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