Sir Rols Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Before this flares up again, could you guts just leave it off and ignore each other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzl Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 How old are you? 12? 13? After 6 or 7 pages of your garbage I couldn't even filter out ONE SINGLE VALID POINT. Sucks to be you. The funny thing is that Sochi DOES have its issues - but you did not actually identify any of the real issues facing this games, just regurgitated many Internet RUMOURS about the Games. What about the fact that badly designed courses have resulted in injuries to athletes, ruining there chances at meddling and causing serious injuries. I raised that point and that's not internet roumors. *rumours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 What about the fact that badly designed courses have resulted in injuries to athletes, ruining there chances at meddling and causing serious injuries. I raised that point and that's not internet roumors. *rumours .....there are degrees of fact and opinion in that claim. Its not blk and wt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarkSnow2012 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 In all the excitement of this thread, I don't think anyone has mentioned that the full video of the Sochi OC is now available in Bryan Pinkall's OC Database. http://bryanpinkall.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/2014-winter-olympic-opening-ceremony.html Also, at the risk of diverting focus yet again, I recomend anybody who hasn't been following Bryan's adventures in Sochi to check out his blog, perhaps starting here: http://bryanpinkall.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/cyrillic-emails_13.html PS: The OC video is in full HD, if your bandwidth can't cope, you could try the low-res version. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 What Is an Internet 'Troll'? An internet 'troll' is an abusive or obnoxious user who uses shock value to promote arguments and disharmony in online communities. Named after the wicked troll creatures of children's tales, an internet troll is someone who stirs up drama and abuses their online anonymity by purposely sowing hatred, bigotry, racism, mysogyny, or just simple bickering between others. Trolls like a big audience, so they frequent blog sites, news sites, discussion forums, and game chat. Trolls thrive in any environment where they are allowed to make public comments. At the lighter end of the troll spectrum, trolls can be personal friends who like to goad and joke with their buddies online. In this case, 'trolling' will mean 'stop hassling me, or I won't invite you to my birthday party'. At the harsher end of the troll spectrum, trolls are cruel and malicious users who want to set an online community on fire with hate and discord. The Sad Truths of Internet Trolls: Trolls are immune to criticism and logical arguments. True trolls cannot be reasoned with, regardless of how sound your logical argument is. Trolls do not feel remorse like you and me. They have sociopathic tendencies, and accordingly, they delight in other people having hurt feelings. Trolls consider themselves separate from the social order. Trolls do not abide by etiquette or the rules of common courtesy. Trolls consider themselves above social responsibility. Trolls gain energy by you insulting them. Trolls gain energy when you get angry. The only way to deal with a troll is to ignore him, or take away his ability to post online. How Should I Deal With Internet Trolls? You cannot win with a troll. Publicly retaliating against them just fuels their childish need for attention. There are only 3 reliable ways to deal with trolls, all of which focus on removing their audience, removing their power, and depriving them of the attention they seek. 1. For a casual or emergent troll: completely ignore the person's postings. While it is difficult formost users to to let a troll have the last word, this tactic successfully takes the wind out of a casual troll's sails. 2. For repeating troll offenders: report them to the moderators of the system. If enough people report the toll, this will often prompt the moderators to take action. 3. Have the moderators take away the troll's ability to post online. This will commonly mean that the troll is kicked from the system, or blocked by IP address. Even better is when the troll is allowed to continue posting, but unbeknownst to him: all of his postings are deleted from everyone else's view. This will lure the troll into wasting his efforts while still feeling proud of his childish antics. This moderator move is sometimes called 'muting' or 'bonzo-ing' the offender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikarus360 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Please stop derailing the thread with fights. PM's exist for a reason, you know?. Also, thanks for the link, Jmark. Glad to see a video without any pesky commentators on it. I myself downloaded three versions of the opening. One from the CBC, another from a Russian channel (which has different angles and the ring glitch "censored") and one from the Korean SBS. While the Russian one has video quality out of this world and some of the angles are interesting, the audio suffers of an annoying echo. Also the commentators in the CBC version can be annoying sometimes. The SBS one has a very good sound quality and the commentators are not very annoying, thankfully. Anyway, i'm sorry for not having posted here before, studies drained away my time however I did watched the Opening and i've been following the games as much as I can (so far i think the organization has been excellent ) so i guess it's about time I post my opinion/review of the opening 1) The countdown with the Cyrillic alphabet was beautifully made and clever, a great introduction to this language script. I know the theme of a girl as the protagonist of the story has been done before (did anyone said Sydney?) but Luvov was very cute nonetheless. I think the clouds at the Island segment could had been done better but it was still very impressive, and the song from Prince Igor was very fitting. This sequence was sadly not perfect because of the already well known ring glitch, which was very unfortunate but could had happened anywhere. If not for the glitch I would had called this the best introductory segment in the history of the WOG. 2) Good version of the Russian anthem. I found no problem with the russia map shaped podium . Many hosts before also had their moments of patriotism and it's not a bad thing 3) While the music of the parade was very forgettable, the parade itself was nicely done. The tunnel at the middle reminded me a lot of Atlanta '96 and I loved the projections of the country maps. 4) The mascot segment was cute and they looked surprisingly very realistic. Nice that a mascot finally has a moment to shine in a ceremony since a long time. 5) The medieval Rusia segment, although short, was nicely done and colorful. Loved the giant troika carrying the Sun at the beginning. 6) Clever use of mapping with the Imperial Russia segment and the soldiers mimicking bayonets and musical instruments the waltz part was nice although it got a bit boring after a while. 7) Wasn't much of a fan of the Time Forward part. I liked the huge train and the abstract art but I expected a bit more like chimneys and more projections (even though the chimneys would had been very London 2012 ) Speaking of London, I liked the Soviet Russia segment since it reminded me a lot of it. I know it was very idealized but i was glad they poked fun at themselves with it, for once (loved the references to Moscow 80 and the Trololo song XD). The finale with Luvov flying in the sky with the red balloon was a bit confusing. I guess it was meant to symbolize USSR break up and some sort of a "To be continued" since modern Russia story is still on writing . 8) I'm going to have a hard time getting used to Bach. Kinda preferred Rogge's speeches, but aw well. The dove of peace segment was a bit confusing but very beautiful. 9) Is it me or there was a second glitch in the opening? When that soprano began to sing the Olympic Anthem I felt that the mics weren't working very well initially so they used a back track 10) Awesome Sport Constellation segment and nice use of Daft Punk's "The Game has Changed" song. However the cauldron lightning was very forgettable. They had the chance of making something spectacular but missed it. Aw well. The cauldron is not that bad as everyone says, though, at least for me. Overall, I think the ceremony was pretty much on pair with Vancouver, still years beyond Torino and there were segments which I liked more than London (sorry but although Pandemonium was possibly my favorite olympic ceremony opener ever, I felt the ceremony lost itself after that segment, to be honest). However the forgettable cauldron lightning and the olympic ring glitch prevents the ceremony from being perfect. Still, a great show and a big effort put by Russia. Pyeongchang is going to have big shoes to fill, ceremony wise, in 2018, however I trust that Korea will try a different and nice approach to their ceremonies. Only time will tell. 8/10 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 What about the fact that badly designed courses have resulted in injuries to athletes, ruining there chances at meddling and causing serious injuries. I raised that point and that's not internet roumors. *rumours They were not poorly designed. The FIS approved them, the governing body of the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshi Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Where'd you get the Russian version from Ika? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Please stop derailing the thread with fights. PM's exist for a reason, you know? I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorchbearerSydney Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 I agree I think they should 'Get a room'...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Yeah, Ik, but for some people, you're allowed only 2 PMs; so the fight has to be carried out here. Please understand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzl Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 What Is an Internet 'Troll'? An internet 'troll' is an abusive or obnoxious user who uses shock value to promote arguments and disharmony in online communities. Named after the wicked troll creatures of children's tales, an internet troll is someone who stirs up drama and abuses their online anonymity by purposely sowing hatred, bigotry, racism, mysogyny, or just simple bickering between others. Trolls like a big audience, so they frequent blog sites, news sites, discussion forums, and game chat. Trolls thrive in any environment where they are allowed to make public comments. At the lighter end of the troll spectrum, trolls can be personal friends who like to goad and joke with their buddies online. In this case, 'trolling' will mean 'stop hassling me, or I won't invite you to my birthday party'. At the harsher end of the troll spectrum, trolls are cruel and malicious users who want to set an online community on fire with hate and discord. The Sad Truths of Internet Trolls: Trolls are immune to criticism and logical arguments. True trolls cannot be reasoned with, regardless of how sound your logical argument is. Trolls do not feel remorse like you and me. They have sociopathic tendencies, and accordingly, they delight in other people having hurt feelings. Trolls consider themselves separate from the social order. Trolls do not abide by etiquette or the rules of common courtesy. Trolls consider themselves above social responsibility. Trolls gain energy by you insulting them. Trolls gain energy when you get angry. The only way to deal with a troll is to ignore him, or take away his ability to post online. How Should I Deal With Internet Trolls? You cannot win with a troll. Publicly retaliating against them just fuels their childish need for attention. There are only 3 reliable ways to deal with trolls, all of which focus on removing their audience, removing their power, and depriving them of the attention they seek. 1. For a casual or emergent troll: completely ignore the person's postings. While it is difficult formost users to to let a troll have the last word, this tactic successfully takes the wind out of a casual troll's sails. 2. For repeating troll offenders: report them to the moderators of the system. If enough people report the toll, this will often prompt the moderators to take action. 3. Have the moderators take away the troll's ability to post online. This will commonly mean that the troll is kicked from the system, or blocked by IP address. Even better is when the troll is allowed to continue posting, but unbeknownst to him: all of his postings are deleted from everyone else's view. This will lure the troll into wasting his efforts while still feeling proud of his childish antics. This moderator move is sometimes called 'muting' or 'bonzo-ing' the offender. That was a waste of time if you wrote that out yourself. Unless you copied it of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningrings Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 This website really has evolved into a shortbus in a very short period of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarkSnow2012 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 This website really has evolved into a shortbus in a very short period of time. I think they should 'Get a room'...... I was originally thinking that "shortbus" referred to a short school bus (and its main colloquial implication), biut maybe it is referring to the movie after all. What fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illustrado Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Please stop derailing the thread with fights. PM's exist for a reason, you know?. Also, thanks for the link, Jmark. Glad to see a video without any pesky commentators on it. I myself downloaded three versions of the opening. One from the CBC, another from a Russian channel (which has different angles and the ring glitch "censored") and one from the Korean SBS. While the Russian one has video quality out of this world and some of the angles are interesting, the audio suffers of an annoying echo. Also the commentators in the CBC version can be annoying sometimes. The SBS one has a very good sound quality and the commentators are not very annoying, thankfully. Anyway, i'm sorry for not having posted here before, studies drained away my time however I did watched the Opening and i've been following the games as much as I can (so far i think the organization has been excellent ) so i guess it's about time I post my opinion/review of the opening 1) The countdown with the Cyrillic alphabet was beautifully made and clever, a great introduction to this language script. I know the theme of a girl as the protagonist of the story has been done before (did anyone said Sydney?) but Luvov was very cute nonetheless. I think the clouds at the Island segment could had been done better but it was still very impressive, and the song from Prince Igor was very fitting. This sequence was sadly not perfect because of the already well known ring glitch, which was very unfortunate but could had happened anywhere. If not for the glitch I would had called this the best introductory segment in the history of the WOG. 2) Good version of the Russian anthem. I found no problem with the russia map shaped podium . Many hosts before also had their moments of patriotism and it's not a bad thing 3) While the music of the parade was very forgettable, the parade itself was nicely done. The tunnel at the middle reminded me a lot of Atlanta '96 and I loved the projections of the country maps. 4) The mascot segment was cute and they looked surprisingly very realistic. Nice that a mascot finally has a moment to shine in a ceremony since a long time. 5) The medieval Rusia segment, although short, was nicely done and colorful. Loved the giant troika carrying the Sun at the beginning. 6) Clever use of mapping with the Imperial Russia segment and the soldiers mimicking bayonets and musical instruments the waltz part was nice although it got a bit boring after a while. 7) Wasn't much of a fan of the Time Forward part. I liked the huge train and the abstract art but I expected a bit more like chimneys and more projections (even though the chimneys would had been very London 2012 ) Speaking of London, I liked the Soviet Russia segment since it reminded me a lot of it. I know it was very idealized but i was glad they poked fun at themselves with it, for once (loved the references to Moscow 80 and the Trololo song XD). The finale with Luvov flying in the sky with the red balloon was a bit confusing. I guess it was meant to symbolize USSR break up and some sort of a "To be continued" since modern Russia story is still on writing . 8) I'm going to have a hard time getting used to Bach. Kinda preferred Rogge's speeches, but aw well. The dove of peace segment was a bit confusing but very beautiful. 9) Is it me or there was a second glitch in the opening? When that soprano began to sing the Olympic Anthem I felt that the mics weren't working very well initially so they used a back track 10) Awesome Sport Constellation segment and nice use of Daft Punk's "The Game has Changed" song. However the cauldron lightning was very forgettable. They had the chance of making something spectacular but missed it. Aw well. The cauldron is not that bad as everyone says, though, at least for me. Overall, I think the ceremony was pretty much on pair with Vancouver, still years beyond Torino and there were segments which I liked more than London (sorry but although Pandemonium was possibly my favorite olympic ceremony opener ever, I felt the ceremony lost itself after that segment, to be honest). However the forgettable cauldron lightning and the olympic ring glitch prevents the ceremony from being perfect. Still, a great show and a big effort put by Russia. Pyeongchang is going to have big shoes to fill, ceremony wise, in 2018, however I trust that Korea will try a different and nice approach to their ceremonies. Only time will tell. 8/10 i agree with some of it. i do love the ceremonies have nature a bit specifically costume wise. performers are wear actual (able to move without restrictions) costumes. not just huge cardboard blob of something (atlanta) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofan Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 HAHAHAHAHA nzl you are a troll and a half. Please get out of here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofan Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Get out of here is a figure of speech. And you're just stirring the pot. Let it go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 OK, Opening Ceremony geographic conundrum: when the Marching Cadets came out, they were clearly part of Peter the Great's military ramp-up in his new capital, St. Petersburg. Then all of a sudden, they became part of Natasha's first ball (as in "War and Peace"). However, the proper geographic setting of Natasha Rostov's first ball is MOSCOW. So, how did the sequence suddenly, inexplicably jump from St. Petersburg to Moscow??? Explanation, anyone?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 artistic license Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) artistic license Dangit!! I knew you/someone would say that. But I wanted to nail them on that!! Another set of Olympic/historical coincidences. Czar Peter founded and built St. Petersburg / Petrograd / Leningrad / St. Peteburg as a new Russian city. 4 centuries later, a new leader, Vladimir Putin practically, single-handedly creates a new Russian resort city, Sochi. How weird is all that?? (I mean, think of what the original Peter could've built with Putin's $51 billion spent in Sochi.) Edited February 24, 2014 by baron-pierreIV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningrings Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 How is that a coincidence, as much as it is you bolding the capital letters of certain words in English. (the Czar and Putin do not use the roman alphabet!) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) How is that a coincidence, as much as it is you bolding the capital letters of certain words in English. (the Czar and Putin do not use the roman alphabet!) Artistic license!! (Of course, I work from my knowledge of English. I do not pretend to know Cyrillic.) Can you do better, wise-ass?? Edited February 24, 2014 by baron-pierreIV 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningrings Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 OK, Opening Ceremony geographic conundrum: when the Marching Cadets came out, they were clearly part of Peter the Great's military ramp-up in his new capital, St. Petersburg. Then all of a sudden, they became part of Natasha's first ball (as in "War and Peace"). However, the proper geographic setting of Natasha Rostov's first ball is MOSCOW. So, how did the sequence suddenly, inexplicably jump from St. Petersburg to Moscow??? Explanation, anyone?? Because they can, and they did. The ceremony wasn't even in St. Petersburg or Moscow so they can do as they wish --- this is an integral part of story telling. I'd assume someone who has written a book on the matter would be able to grasp this. Sydney's ceremony included Nolan's Ned Kelly - an icon of the state of Victoria. What were hundreds of Ned Kelly's doing at an Olympic ceremony in NSW? As mentioned, artistic licence. Artistic license!! (Of course, I work from my knowledge of English. I do not pretend to know Cyrillic.) Can you do better, wise-ass?? Admittedly, Baron, I can't do better. You've won this time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) The ceremony wasn't even in St. Petersburg or Moscow so they can do as they wish --- this is an integral part of story telling. I'd assume someone who has written a book on the matter would be able to grasp this. Admittedly, Baron, I can't do better. You've won this time... No. But they were rather precise with many touchstones in their narrative -- specific islands & geographic points in the Opener; the film clip showing an affinity to the ancient Greeks, etc., etc., even to the erection of Fisht stadium. And then all of a sudden, there is that 'odd' jump. (Excuse me for knowing my WAR & PEACE. Yeah, indulge me to be nitpicky on this one point. Jeez, you can't even be loose enough to play along...) Edited February 24, 2014 by baron-pierreIV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 (Excuse me for knowing my WAR & PEACE. That's the difference between you and 99.5% (at least) of the viewing audience, I guess.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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