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Sochi 2014 Olympic Torch Relay


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By the way, only to be fair, shouldn't we consider Barcelona, Albertville and Torino impure? Since the flame obviously didn't reached the cauldron when they were lit :lol: (even more obvious in Torino). Just sayin'.

i give Barcelona a pass. the flame was caught by the gas so i think it's pure

Does anyone know of a streaming video source for the remainder of the torch relay?

here's a website but i don't see a live torch cam link

http://torchrelay.sochi2014.com/en/relay

basic bad form for not having a torch cam. i loved the coverage during london 2012. but i still can't forgive them for missing matt smith's (doctor who) run :-(

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By the way, only to be fair, shouldn't we consider Barcelona, Albertville and Torino impure? Since the flame obviously didn't reached the cauldron when they were lit :lol: (even more obvious in Torino). Just sayin'.

Torino's is the only one I am unsure of--because it mingled with the pyro flames -- but the transfers of the flame for Barcelona, Albertville/Atlanta clearly followed through. But that is different from what happened yesterday at the Kremlin. That was blatant, obvious sloppiness and amateurism. And I am sure there will be at least 2 or 3 more instances where that flame will go out -- or even in the ridiculous 'space walk' think they are attempting. So ridiculous.

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Reactions here sounds like these are the 80's. So what if they had a glitch during the relay? We even had a cauldron lit by a cigarette lighter before and also that less than stellar relighting in London after the relocation of the 204 petals. The minor problem yesterday doesn't cast a shadow to the Sochi games and the event was beautiful in a Russian, monumental way, not in a warm-smiley-cuddly-friendly "western" way and thank god they're not shying away from their way of portraying things, otherwise we would be laughing at their forced attempts to fit in.

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Another video during the unveiling of the "night cauldron" in July in Moscow -- a musical number saluting "Sport"! :lol: More of the UGLY Sochi theme fabric and look specially at the two male dancers' outfits. I mean the designer alone should've been arrested for visual pollution.

Am starting to dread what awful outfits and costumes will appear in the Opening. Do Russians have such an awful 'artistic' eye?? :blink: And I could just tell that the singer was going thru the paces and like...OK, fuckers...where's my paycheck???

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Sorry to derail the thread, but don't you agree It would be wise to delay the new paralympic tradition of the Stoke Mandeville flame to 2016? Open-minded Britain probably won't be so pleased to kindle a flame to Russia.

No.

Russia won't be the last Paralympic host with a government or policies most here think are wrong. Do you propse skipping Stoke Mandeville every time there's any friction between the UK and a host city?

If Turkey had won 2020, would we be skipping Olympia?

Flame has gone out for the 3rd time -- and still in Moscow. What's going on?

http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be

I bet with another 64,500km to go, the flame will go out at least a dozen more times; one for the history books.

What's thhe current record then?!

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What's thhe current record then?!

I don't know who keeps these stats (...well, other than us). But I am sure it is NOT something past Org Committees have kept track of. But going by the probability stats so far -- and they haven't even gone into Siberia, the dog sled races, etc., etc., I think this will happen more often. Also, I have a sneaking suspicion now that maybe the crew are purposely NOT turning on the gas valves in full...so it dies out...and it gives them something more pro-active to do other than just being an escort for the flame.

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clip on the manufacture of the 2014 torches. Didn't know it was patterned after a "feather" from the Firebird...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB9WfodstLU

I quickly got the reference. The whole torch relay look is themed on the Firebird folk tale and the lightning of the cauldron will probably feature this theme as well (I bet my horses they'll use Stravinsky's Firebird Suite as the music)

Also wow, the torch went out again? This must be the most flawed torch in the recent history of the Olympics. As if the design didn't caused enough bad feedback in GB already.

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I would expect there will be a mixture

I quickly got the reference. The whole torch relay look is themed on the Firebird folk tale and the lightning of the cauldron will probably feature this theme as well (I bet my horses they'll use Stravinsky's Firebird Suite as the music)


Also wow, the torch went out again? This must be the most flawed torch in the recent history of the Olympics. As if the design didn't caused enough bad feedback in GB already.

** shakes head** :blink:

Wouldn't stun me at all if there's going to be plenty of scores from Tchaikovsky and Stravinsky utilized throughout for Sochi's Opening Ceremony and incorporate with more original contemporary work and Russian pop music. I'm agreement about the Firebird references when the torch comes to the Sochi Stadium.

BTW, does anybody know what Russian TV channel(s) is showing all the ceremonies/concerts and torch relays that we're seeing now?

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No.

Russia won't be the last Paralympic host with a government or policies most here think are wrong. Do you propse skipping Stoke Mandeville every time there's any friction between the UK and a host city?

If Turkey had won 2020, would we be skipping Olympia?

Never said I'd propose that. But after the awful protests during Beijing's disastrous torch run through London I do believe the flame should be flown from Stoke Mandeville straight to the host county. I'm not sure if the paralympic flame will follow olympic tradition and make a national tour before being handed over to the organizing committee, but given the heavy political ground the olympic torch relay's got into since 2008, it would make sense preventing the paralympic torch relay go through major disruptions.

And Turkey could never skip Olympia because the greek flame is a major symbol of the Olympics. IPC's flame is still ages away from that, but anything can stir activist reaction today.

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With their smaller budget, I am surprised that the IPC chose to do this. I imagine Lighting the flame in Stoke-Mandeville, and then just carrying it by car to Heathrow / Gatwick/a nearby RAF base for private jet transport to the new host country would probably be, at today's air fuel and charter prices, maybe $30-35K for a 1-way journey. I hope they have gotten a major sponsor to absorb that cost.

Of course, a commercial flight would be 1/3rd to 1/2 that cost for a party of 3 or 4 and the airline donating the seat for the lamps.

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Russian ministry of sport announced investigation to explain why flame is gone (4 times already) and why over 16 thousands was made, and why it cost over 200 milion rubels... Well, those torches was made by firm which made most of russian ballistic missiles for submarines so maybe although in Bajkal Lake things will go right.

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Russian ministry of sport announced investigation to explain why flame is gone (4 times already) and why over 16 thousands was made, and why it cost over 200 milion rubels... Well, those torches was made by firm which made most of russian ballistic missiles for submarines so maybe although in Bajkal Lake things will go right.

Well, they estimated 14,000 runners (so one each); 300 are left behind in Greece; the remaining 1,700 are back-ups and for the Paralympics. So that's why. (The ones set aside for the Paralympics usually have the Paralympix logo.) The question should've been...why did they allot so many runners and such a great distance -- other than just to top records.

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Vancouver cleared records four years ago, including relay distance and stopovers at extreme coordinates. I'm not sure it was related to Canadian insecurity (are Candians insecure?), but certainly is a tradition that every city tries to outdo the previous host city in every way it can. Australia is also pretty good at that, even Commonwealth Games wise and yours is a much more established country than the majority of recent olympic hosts. This psyche is hardly a Russian trait.

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Vancouver cleared records four years ago, including relay distance and stopovers at extreme coordinates. I'm not sure it was related to Canadian insecurity (are Candians insecure?), but certainly is a tradition that every city tries to outdo the previous host city in every way it can. Australia is also pretty good at that, even Commonwealth Games wise and yours is a much more established country than the majority of recent olympic hosts. This psyche is hardly a Russian trait.

It was due to Geography more then anything.

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The ultimate aim of any torch relay is, & should be, to take the Olympic flame as close as possible to as many of the host country's people as possible. It's about getting people involved in their country's Games no matter where they are. When the country in question happens to be the largest in the world, with a population spread across the largest area of any country, from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok, & from the Arctic to the Black Sea, it's very difficult to get the flame to the people without breaking records. It's not insecurity, it's not one upmanship, it's just the huge size of Russia, which nowhere else could match without taking the flame through multiple countries, as I suspect Rio might do, taking their torch to all countries of South America. :)

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I think a good idea for 2016 would be to see the flame go direct Athens-Mexcio City, site of the last Latin American Olympics, then move south from Mexico, visiting as many Central and South American countries as possible.

As for Russia - I realise my accusations on insecurity was probably an overstep in terms of the countries size, but in terms of other aspects of these Olympics, its a relevant observation.

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