StefanMUC 702 Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 I was just thinking how cheap the materials on that venue look. It looks like its from the late 90s. They only had 50 bn USD. What did you expect? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paul 619 Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 i keep thinking huge props will move through the stadium on tracks from shed to shed i mean that's some HUGE storage hangers and TALL tracks 'the way we were' 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
4gamesandcounting 39 Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) I always think that bottom render is so misleading. It's the athens ceremony they are using, which is a far bigger space than the fisht has, makes the stadium proportions look bigger than they are. Yes it's the height of the hangars the are so eye opening! Edited January 24, 2014 by 4gamesandcounting 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
menegazfelipe 43 Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 I think the opening ceremony should dedicate an entire act to this: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Athensfan 1081 Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 i keep thinking huge props will move through the stadium on tracks from shed to shed i mean that's some HUGE storage hangers and TALL tracks 'the way we were' Well, the show better be awesome because those hangers look TERRIBLE. The amazing thing is that THIS STADIUM WAS BUILT ESPECIALLY FOR THE OPENING CEREMONIES. It looks like a wreck with these giant sheds, the inflatable roof, etc. An architectural disaster. Paul, your post demonstrates all that brilliantly. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baron-pierreIV 1700 Posted January 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Well, yeah. But they weren't going to build a stadium 2x the size of normal just to accommodates special Ceremonial needs. The 2 sets of Ceremonies that will take place in 2 months' time will never happen on that scale again; so it would be so stupid to build something like Jerry Jones' Dallas Cowboys' megastadium if only for those reasons. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JMarkSnow2012 387 Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Well, the show better be awesome because those hangers look TERRIBLE. The amazing thing is that THIS STADIUM WAS BUILT ESPECIALLY FOR THE OPENING CEREMONIES. It looks like a wreck with these giant sheds, the inflatable roof, etc. An architectural disaster. Inflatable roof? That stadium has the sturdiest roof of any stadium, ever. They really could fly in a fleet of battleships from those sheds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
runningrings 678 Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Well, the show better be awesome because those hangers look TERRIBLE. The amazing thing is that THIS STADIUM WAS BUILT ESPECIALLY FOR THE OPENING CEREMONIES. It looks like a wreck with these giant sheds, the inflatable roof, etc. An architectural disaster. Paul, your post demonstrates all that brilliantly. It was always built at this scale with the 2018 World Cup in mind - that was always on the agenda, right back in 2005 when the bid emerged. It was always going to become a football stadium. Although I don't doubt that the permanent parts of the roof are in their heavy duty form because of the Opening Ceremony needs. That is a lot of steel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob. 2049 Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Let's put it this way, I think the guys directing the TV feeds will be focussing on wide shots of the park, the sea and the mountains when outside shots are needed, rather than aerial shots of the stadium on its own. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Olympian2004 511 Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 I think that as the ceremonies take place in the dark, the hangars won't be that visible in the outside shots. And a ceremonial TV broadcast would be nothing if they didn't show the stadium (and especially the light effects and the firework displays) from the outside once in a while. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
4gamesandcounting 39 Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 I think that as the ceremonies take place in the dark, the hangars won't be that visible in the outside shots. And a ceremonial TV broadcast would be nothing if they didn't show the stadium (and especially the light effects and the firework displays) from the outside once in a while. Well vancouver only had a couple of shots I think and they were at the beginning. Will there even be fireworks if nobody inside gets to see them? I can see one or two firework moments but not a big display like we saw at london or Beijing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alphacarter 31 Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 2 Things, I looked at a picture of the cauldron, the one from the baltimore sun. You can clearly see the beginnings of the medal plaza. The stage is outlined right through the middle, it appears that the audience will have their backs to the cauldron. Second thing, I found this DJ https://soundcloud.com/djboyko/boyko-olympic-games-radio-mix He says... Dj Boyko is official artist of Olympic Games 2014 in Russia.His performances will be held February 8 and 9 - in the opening days of the 2014 Olympic Games in the main arena of awarding medals Sochi Medals Plaza. Anyone know if this is true? Also, what the hell are those red things behind the cauldron? And that ring coloured pathway is really tacky. Really questioning some of the design choices here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Tower Bridge Fox 48 Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Looks great !clearly not afraid to spend money on flag poles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ikarus360 605 Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Looks great !clearly not afraid to spend money on flag poles. I think they're waiting until the final list of participating countries is set. Also I have no idea who Boyko is, but he has an official website http://www.djboyko.com/ You can listen to some of his songs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baron-pierreIV 1700 Posted January 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Looks great !clearly not afraid to spend money on flag poles. Putin's maid's son-in-law had the franchise! Who is Boyko? All I could find is that he is a non-gay person!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ofan 696 Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 One observation: It's going to be very annoying to get everything into that medal plaza area when they have to squeeze between two flagpoles. Also makes evacuation difficult in the case of a fire or some other emergency. *everyone Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Olympian2004 511 Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 I don't think that this should be a problem. Those flagpoles still seem far enough apart from another to let maybe a dozen people and also rescue vehicles pass through them. I don't think that they've planned that park unprofessionally, especially not in security regards (with those terror threats looming above the Games). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Athensfan 1081 Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 Inflatable roof? That stadium has the sturdiest roof of any stadium, ever. They really could fly in a fleet of battleships from those sheds. I'm only talking about the cosmetic exterior central section. Obviously the whole reason for filling in the roof in the first place was the technical demands of the show and there's tons of structure underneath. Look, all I'm saying is that the venue looks TRULY AWFUL. People complained bitterly about the wings on London's aquatic center. IMO, this is 10 times worse. Either the show needed to be rethought, the architecture needed to be redesigned or both. This structure is just a conglomeration of band aids and additions. And yes, they plan to use it for the Workd Cup as well (and presumably beyond), but the PRIMARY reason for building this venue was the Olympic ceremonies. It is supposed to be the centerpiece of the Olympic Park and it's a wreck. For 50 billion there had to be a way to have a halfway decent-looking stadium AND a good show. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob. 2049 Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 I'm only talking about the cosmetic exterior central section. Obviously the whole reason for filling in the roof in the first place was the technical demands of the show and there's tons of structure underneath. Look, all I'm saying is that the venue looks TRULY AWFUL. People complained bitterly about the wings on London's aquatic center. IMO, this is 10 times worse. Either the show needed to be rethought, the architecture needed to be redesigned or both. This structure is just a conglomeration of band aids and additions. And yes, they plan to use it for the Workd Cup as well (and presumably beyond), but the PRIMARY reason for building this venue was the Olympic ceremonies. It is supposed to be the centerpiece of the Olympic Park and it's a wreck. For 50 billion there had to be a way to have a halfway decent-looking stadium AND a good show. The concept of having the stadium open to the sea and the mountains is one I still like, and come 2018 it'll be a stunning football venue. Having the roof for the Games is also understandable and actually I think by itself it'd be fine. It's the giant sheds combined with that which make it look such an awful mess. Given the budget, surely it could've been possible to have a large undercroft where things could be stored for the ceremonies? I'm sure that's what the London team did. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
4gamesandcounting 39 Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 I think the problem was they designed the stadium before any ceremonies team got on board. One of the great things about sydney was at least ric birch sat down with the stadium guys to talk waterfalls before they started building! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baron-pierreIV 1700 Posted January 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 I think the problem was they designed the stadium before any ceremonies team got on board. One of the great things about sydney was at least ric birch sat down with the stadium guys to talk waterfalls before they started building! Well, a stadium, before or after a Ceremonies team comes in, is going to be bowl-shaped no matter what. The problem with Sochi is that it appears they have very grandiose Ceremonial ideas and then there are the winds in the area which I think the bi-valve design of Fisht made the winds in the stadium cavity worse. So they had to adapt it to a fully enclosed stadium. That's where the rub is. Maybe in the summer, when the WC will be held, the winds aren't so bad??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JMarkSnow2012 387 Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 Well, a stadium, before or after a Ceremonies team comes in, is going to be bowl-shaped no matter what. The problem with Sochi is that it appears they have very grandiose Ceremonial ideas and then there are the winds in the area which I think the bi-valve design of Fisht made the winds in the stadium cavity worse. So they had to adapt it to a fully enclosed stadium. That's where the rub is. Maybe in the summer, when the WC will be held, the winds aren't so bad??? Not so bad either in frequency of high gusts or (perhaps crucially) in direction, according to: http://www.windfinder.com/windstats/windstatistic_sochi_airport_adler.htm Given the budget, surely it could've been possible to have a large undercroft where things could be stored for the ceremonies? I'm sure that's what the London team did. An undercroft for the sort of large-scale props they seem likely to be producing from those hangars would probably have to go below sea-level ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paul 619 Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 bring this out refurbished inside for the ceremony, then the flame travels to the new outside cauldron. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mexico 1968 13 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 bring this out refurbished inside for the ceremony, then the flame travels to the new outside cauldron. unfortunately the cauldron is on Moskva river embankment rusting Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baron-pierreIV 1700 Posted January 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 (edited) Uhmmmmm....that's VERY INCORRECT. The 1980 cauldron now sits very dignified in a garden by the Luzhniki stadium. For some reason, the photo I have won't paste. Well, it's there...with a little statue of Misha beside it. Edited January 27, 2014 by baron-pierreIV Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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