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Uhmmm, are we talking about the same World League?

http://www.fivb.org/EN/volleyball/competitions/WorldLeague/2014/

As far as I know, USA men won the 2014 World League (and which is why they were too tired for the World Championships and didn't win that one).

No, 2012 world league before London, it made lot of hype. We also won European championship before that in 2009 and woman in 2005 and 2003 two times in row but currently they are in decline. Volleyball is 2nd most popular team sport in Poland, 1st one is Football... where we barely getting to European chempionship :P 3rd one is handball, which we got 3rd place world cup yesterday ^^ But it really does not matter as we chear for any polish sportman that is on TV

You would really need to live here to understand the result, cheering is one thing but politics are another, we are nation with huge complexes, that we cant do anything right and others think bad about us, when we got Euro 2012 people been saying that we not able to build stadiums and after people complaining that stadiums we build are not profitable and wasting money (which is actully true, looking on what crazy things they doing with national stadium to get money from it, which i think best one is windsurfing event :P). And it's not like it's empty thouths, because our politics truly sux, everyone knows that but they for some reason they don't want to change it (or rather don't have motivation to), always when we build something theres some bad things involve with it like corruption and other stuff, for example in recent day we by Pendolino trains without in-title pendulum and without infrastructure for them where we could do something more efficient, but media hype about it like some kind of revolution and politics things they gonna get some votes from it. The same was with Krakow 2022, people was talking that politics wants to make some party in city just for 2 weeks that will increase the debt instead of investing in infrastructure and do something that will stay in long term, people fear we end up with buildings that are not profitable same as stadiums after Euro 2012 or that some people whats to get money from trying to promote something that gonna lose anyway (you know.. Oslo) and people get nothing. Other event we got didn't had hype in candidature, people heard about World Championship in volleyball when we actually got it, about Euro 2012 people heard when we got to short list. It really not about people liking sports, but purely political thing.

As i said the whole thing smells bad for me too, because i don't really see reason to do referendum where they got to that stage and everyone knew how it's gonna end, the end result is some people made profit from public money and if we would lose people would blame those people so they get out of it clean.

But looking now we would be favorites here... and it kind of making me even more dissapointed as sport fan, but i understand people worries politicly

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Shadowriver, it is also valueable to mention that we, all of bid supporters, lost to politics in that battle.

No single member of supporting oragnisations changed role since failed referendum. Those who were a part of 'pro Krakow' NGO's are still there.

But on the other hand NGO ogranization 'Krakow against OG' converted in party look-a-like and started in local elections autumn'2014.

Also leader of bid opponents Tomasz Lesniak was a candiate for position of President of Krakow (1,9% percent of votes). From the very begining I was sure his aim isnt bid, but politic career. I asked him on the press meting in may 2014 if he can declare not candidating in autumn elections, and he disagreed.

Personally for me, fail of a bid isnt as painfull as it could be. I considered that it could finish this way.

But since may 2014, its harder for me to get involved in any idea. I should have watched 'House of Cards' before got involved in bid ;-)

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Just came across this piece today -- the strange story of the illegitimate granddaughter of the Butcher of Plaszow. Didn't realize that Amon Goeth was tried and hanged in Krakow.

http://www.people.com/article/black-author-discovers-grandfather-nazi-schindlers-list

Poor woman. How awful to burden her with such a legacy. I hope she doesn't have nightmares on learning of her lineage.

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11 hours ago, Roger87 said:

Three letters: PiS

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A xenophobic, authoritarian, proto christian and "illiterate liberal" party with majority of the government, closer to Orban's Hungary

You mean from the country who went to Hitler and freely said "here, take our Jews!"??? Quelle surprise!

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5 minutes ago, Roger87 said:

LOL speaking of Austria, we may have another esque Le Pen vs. Macron fight with 30 years old liberal Sebastian Kurz and the far-right populist Heinz-Christian Strache

heinz-christian-strache-sebastian-kurz.j

Just that Kurz is nowhere near "liberal" or as progressive as Macron, he's just a slightly less hateful person as the other one on this picture. And unlike in France, the socialdemocrats have a strong leader, too, so this is really a trio fighting for Austria.

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2 hours ago, Roger87 said:

LOL speaking of Austria, we may have another esque Le Pen vs. Macron fight with 30 years old liberal Sebastian Kurz and the far-right populist Heinz-Christian Strache

heinz-christian-strache-sebastian-kurz.j

Oh my, those ears! :blink: He's much too young to run a country, though. 35 should be the bare minimum.

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1 hour ago, StefanMUC said:

Just that Kurz is nowhere near "liberal" or as progressive as Macron, he's just a slightly less hateful person as the other one on this picture. And unlike in France, the socialdemocrats have a strong leader, too, so this is really a trio fighting for Austria.

He does look rather smug (than charasmatic) in that picture, too. And those ears don't help any, either lol.

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