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I agree that Jasna alone is not enough to keep Krakow off the shortlist -- especially considering the weakness of the field.

However, if the Krakow bid has other problems anyway, the binational aspect could be enough to push them over the edge and off the shortlist.

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The trouble with trying to converse with you, is that one knows you're going to disregard any insights we may share into Olympic politics, and instead subject us to a wordy lecture on geopolitics and

Gotta say, I'm warming, both emotionally and intellectually, to Krakow. Okay, it's early days yet, and I'll wait and see what the general consensus of the technical plans from the applicant files are,

Almaty is not straddling the benchmark. I understand you really don't like them. They're not my first choice either, but they ARE technically capable -- no question. They were always going to make the

Untill moday we were able to say that Krakow bid is supported by 100% of city council.

24 members of PO party, 12 members of PiS party and 7 members of President Majchrowski Comitee.

Today all of this 3 clubs declared their support for referendum. Its decided, we are waiting only for next meeting of CC.

25 of may will be deciding moment for polish olympism. Not of a year or even decade. Its about chances of hosting olympic flame on the Vistula river ever.

Two months left...

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Unlike Oslo, it seems that the Krakow has more public support so unless there's an engaging negative campaign between now and May 25th, I think the Krakow bid is safe. Still, I think the referendum announcement probably has the IOC a bit nervous especially with the uncertainty surrounding Oslo. It's a longshot, but what if Almaty and Beijing are the only bids left standing at the end of the year?

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If nothing else it would be a much needed wake up call for the IOC.

I'd find it hilarious, they'd only have themselves to blame for making their prime product so inattractive for many potential customers, i.e. hosts.

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Well it's not like only IOC fault, the hallow of economic crisis is all around Europe so people are more worried about costs, specially after talks all around how Sochi was expensive. But in case of Kraków and Poland in general it's also not quite good opinions about politic scene which will (as they need, somebody needs to pay for all this) involved in to this.

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Well it's not like only IOC fault, the hallow of economic crisis is all around Europe so people are more worried about costs, specially after talks all around how Sochi was expensive. But in case of Kraków and Poland in general it's also not quite good opinions about politic scene which will (as they need, somebody needs to pay for all this) involved in to this.

But the economic crisis hit when Sochi preparations were underway and the IOC did nothing to get the Russians to make the whole affair more cost-friendly.

If the overall image of the Olympics and especially the IOC was better, even economic worries wouldn't have such a huge impact.

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But the economic crisis hit when Sochi preparations were underway and the IOC did nothing to get the Russians to make the whole affair more cost-friendly.

If the overall image of the Olympics and especially the IOC was better, even economic worries wouldn't have such a huge impact.

It's not just olympics same talks was different sport events, people saying that Euro 2012 only give us lot of costs for few days of fun and we have stadiums which some are costly to maintain (specially national stadium which is not used in club football matches and not to mention it has opinion of being overcostly build), the same thing i'm hearing about World Games 2017 people worrying about costs even thru it's not so costly of a event and we got lot of ready venues, only olympic swimming pool and roller track which can be outside need to be build.... and same talk i hear about this bid. It's all talk that politics instead of spending money on short time sport events which is just days or 2 weeks of fun, insted should investing on something more useful to citizens of the city like roads, renovating post-German old buildings (in case of my city).

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The IOC is in total control here. Do they go back to the applicant cities and "suggest" expensive upgrades? Do they reject a (presumably) otherwise fine bid just because the apline events are across a border?

Or do they relax a bit to allow a wider set of possible candidates?

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Kraków City Council voted today that the referendum will take place May 25.

The opinion poll conducted for Polish web portal interia.pl published today indicates, that most of the Poles oppose the bid:

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http://fakty.interia.pl/tylko-u-nas/news-zimowe-igrzyska-olimpijskie-w-krakowie-wyniki-sondazu,nId,1401829#pst73209650

They didn't publish any poll with answers coming only from Krakow's citizens, but I think the bid might be dead.

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They didn't publish any poll with answers coming only from Krakow's citizens, but I think the bid might be dead.

I don't think so. Last two weeks were extremely problematic for polish Comitee. Media attack from everywhere. As I told before, polish media are specific. Next two weeks may be in positive tone and suddenly the result may be different. Kraków citizens are still not well informed. After next few weeks when we will have public debate and consultation, everything may change. If there is not central attack to Kraków, that bid may be succesful.

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Quite legit, unfortunately. Homo Homini carries public opinion polls for major Polish media, not only web portals, but also news channels, newspapers etc.

However, Homo Homini compromise itself a bit with polls published before the 2011 parliamentary election.

I have no idea what to think about all of this.

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This is both hilariuos and sad.

Basically on May 25 people should go to the polling station, vote in European Parliamentary election (the turnout has never exceeded 30%), than go to another polling station, with different committee, and different lists of voters.

They will spend 1 mln PLN for the referendum that likely gonna end up with 10% turnout and be invalid. Unless it's a cunning plan to wreck the referendum before it even begins, Krakow's mayor and city council members are just populists and/or idiots.

When the public polls were favourable, the city council rejected the proposal to submit Krakow's bid to a referendum. Just after the applicant file had been leaked and really heavily criticised by media, mayor got cold feet and without any consult propose a referendum. First the city council had been resentful that he worked on his own, and the very next day... they backed him up. Now they gonna blame each other for the mess they both created.

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Krakow 2022 "Confident" as referendum to decide on Olympic and Paralympic Bid confirmed. Full story here - http://www.insidethegames.biz/olympics/winter-olympics/2022/1019249-krakow-2022-confident-as-referendum-to-decide-on-olympic-and-paralympic-bid-confirmed - Source: Inside the Games.

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This is both hilariuos and sad.

Basically on May 25 people should go to the polling station, vote in European Parliamentary election (the turnout has never exceeded 30%), than go to another polling station, with different committee, and different lists of voters.

They will spend 1 mln PLN for the referendum that likely gonna end up with 10% turnout and be invalid. Unless it's a cunning plan to wreck the referendum before it even begins, Krakow's mayor and city council members are just populists and/or idiots.

I guess its some kind of politicial game, but still Im not able to find clue here. Whole day im asking myself whats going on here.

Its sad, cause now results of the referendum can only show that public support of bid isnt as high as it was in 2013. With 30-40% of attendance I belived both scenarios are possible.

They are killing bid. Abroad and inside Poland.

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I just heard about polling station problem..... we all present you ridiculousness power of polish politics :P

Looks like there better chance for referendum to be invalidated (in polish law, as it needs to exceed 30% frequency to be valid).... but what IOC will thing about all of this? Sorry to say, but it seems Kraków killing there bid by themselfs

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Breaking but still not confirmed news from Krakow.

Krakow bid comitee will be disbanded in Monday, 14th of April due to 'Mr Walczak issue'.

Briefly, husband of Chairman Ms Marczulajtis-Walczak offered 15 000 PLN for writing a flattering article about the committee by a local blogger. In fact that was only journalistic provocation.

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