Tony E Loves Architecture Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Salzburg was a joint bid, just like krakow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amorincognito Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 (edited) What is all this obsession with joints? Get a vaporizer, the high is so much cleaner. One venue/cluster in another place does not a joint bid make. It was irresponsible for Salzburg 2010/2014 NOT to propose Schönau for sliding events, and given the ecological situation in Zakopane it looks to be the same reasoning for Kraków 2022 to use Jasná. All bids come under the name of one city and one NOC, even if support is given from another location that happens to be within another NOC territory -- again as has been stated before BOTH of these conditions are met according to the Olympic Charter so stop saying it's unacceptable according to the IOC or their rules. Salzburg did not lose because they proposed Schönau, they lost because for their own reasons Vancouver and Sochi won -- and Kraków, if they lose, it won't be because they proposed Jasná: it will be because another city provided a more compelling option. Edited January 19, 2014 by amorincognito Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangwon Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 I think the confusion about a joint bid exists because that's how the bid was originally portrayed. It was only about a month ago where we began to hear of it as a Polish bid rather than a joint Polish-Slovak bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 The only reason there is confusion is that one poster insists on saying it's a joint bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Salzburg was a joint bid, just like krakow. Thank you for confirming your viewpoint, that answers my question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony E Loves Architecture Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Thank you for confirming your viewpoint, that answers my question. No Problem. Just to confirm, Co-Host means more than 1 Country hosting events in 1 Games. Wheather it is 1 or 20 events, Krakow is Co-Hosting with Jasna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 No Problem. Just to confirm, Co-Host means more than 1 Country hosting events in 1 Games. Wheather it is 1 or 20 events, Krakow is Co-Hosting with Jasna. Uh, Tony, you do know that cities host games, not countries... right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 No Problem. Just to confirm, Co-Host means more than 1 Country hosting events in 1 Games. Wheather it is 1 or 20 events, Krakow is Co-Hosting with Jasna. I see. So 2010 was really Vancouver/Whistler? 2006 was actually Torino/Sestiere/Cesana/Bardoneccia/Pinerolo/Pragelato/Sauze d'Oulx If you're going to make it about a city co-hosting, and that's what you're doing here, plus you're acknowledging that applies if they host even 1 event, then you would probably have to treat past (and future) bids the same way. If Slovakia has no administrative rule on organizing these Olympics, just like it was with Salzburg and Germany, then it's not a joint bid. If you choose to view it that view, that's your prerogative, but that's not necessarily the view the IOC will treat it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord David Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Salzburg was a joint bid, just like krakow. Salzburg was never a joint bid. They might have come last both times thanks to their idea of using the sliding venue in Germany, but it was never a joint bid. They were smart to use an existing venue in a neighbouring country where the schengen agreement would have made travel back and forth not a problem. Not to mention close cultural links and both areas speaking German. I see. So 2010 was really Vancouver/Whistler? 2006 was actually Torino/Sestiere/Cesana/Bardoneccia/Pinerolo/Pragelato/Sauze d'Oulx If you're going to make it about a city co-hosting, and that's what you're doing here, plus you're acknowledging that applies if they host even 1 event, then you would probably have to treat past (and future) bids the same way. If Slovakia has no administrative rule on organizing these Olympics, just like it was with Salzburg and Germany, then it's not a joint bid. If you choose to view it that view, that's your prerogative, but that's not necessarily the view the IOC will treat it Slovakia (or whoever owns the Jasna ski resort) would just need to give their go ahead. Alternatively, Slovakia could offer "full support", where it's simply just not stated in the bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palette86 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 No Problem. Just to confirm, Co-Host means more than 1 Country hosting events in 1 Games. Wheather it is 1 or 20 events, Krakow is Co-Hosting with Jasna. I'm afraid it's YOUR CHARTER . Chapter 5 The Olympic Games I. CELEBRATION, ORGANISATION AND ADMINISTRATION OF THE OLYMPIC GAMES 34 Location, sites and venues of the Olympic Games* 1. All sports competition must take place in the host city of the Olympic Games, unless the IOC Executive Board authorises the organisation of certain events in other cities,sites or venues situated in the same country. The Opening and Closing Ceremonies must take place in the host city itself. The location, sites and venues for any sports or other events of any kind must all be approved by the IOC Executive Board. 2. For the Olympic Winter Games, when for geographical or topographical reasons it is impossible to organise certain events or disciplines of a sport in the country of the host city, the IOC may, on an exceptional basis, authorise the holding of these in a bordering country . Bye-law to Rule 34 1. Any request to organise any event, discipline or other sports competition in any other city or location than the host city itself must be presented in writing to the IOC at the latest prior to the visit of the Evaluation Commission for candidate cities. 2. The organisation, holding and media coverage of the Olympic Games shall not be impaired in any way by any other event taking place in the host city or its neighbourhood or in other competition sites or venues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony E Loves Architecture Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Uh, Tony, you do know that cities host games, not countries... right? I do know it's Cities, but the Cities are in the Countries, did you know that? I see. So 2010 was really Vancouver/Whistler? 2006 was actually Torino/Sestiere/Cesana/Bardoneccia/Pinerolo/Pragelato/Sauze d'Oulx If you're going to make it about a city co-hosting, and that's what you're doing here, plus you're acknowledging that applies if they host even 1 event, then you would probably have to treat past (and future) bids the same way. If Slovakia has no administrative rule on organizing these Olympics, just like it was with Salzburg and Germany, then it's not a joint bid. If you choose to view it that view, that's your prerogative, but that's not necessarily the view the IOC will treat it That's different. Vancouver and Whister are both in Canada, the same Country. Krakow is in Poland, Jasna in Slovakia, 2 Countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphacarter Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 It's the same thing Tony. Most of Europe operates under an agreement called "Schengen" Basically, once you gain entry to any country in Schengen, you can go anywhere in Schengen. Cars can drive right over the border and flights are treated as domestic. So really, is it just two cities close to each other hosting it. Technically... it's two countries hosting it, but it's not a joint bid. If Jasna isn't involved in the bid process, it ain't a joint bid. If I went and wrote a book about joint bids and used your quotes in it, it isn't a co authored book. Same theory applies here. Although that metaphor might be stretching it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palette86 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 So,what is the appropriate when we call Krakow 2022? I know it's not co-hosting bid,bi-national bid,multi countries bid and joint bid.Sole bid should be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 That 160-year old troll is just taking u guys for a ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony E Loves Architecture Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 That 160-year old troll is just taking u guys for a ride. Says the one who doesn't respect others opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 U're just not believable, Tony E. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony E Loves Architecture Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 U're just not believable, Tony E. Baron, I honestly have no problem with you disliking me, what is my problem is you writing stuff like your trying to start some campaign for everyone to turn on me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Baron, I honestly have no problem with you disliking me, what is my problem is you writing stuff like your trying to start some campaign for everyone to turn on me. Becuz u're trying to fool everyone -- that's why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony E Loves Architecture Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Becuz u're trying to fool everyone -- that's why. You have absolutely no proof that I'm trying to fool anyone. You have never seen me, so you can't make judgement of my age, looks, height, hair colour etc. For all we know, everyone could be lying about who they are. Just saying, we are all behind a screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 That's different. Vancouver and Whister are both in Canada, the same Country. Krakow is in Poland, Jasna in Slovakia, 2 Countries. But you didn't call it a Poland/Slovakia bid. You're calling it Krakow/Jasna. No love for Zakopane? They'd be hosting a lot more than Jasna. If you want to call it a joint bid, that's your view. But you lose the effect when you're pointing out the cities of the bid, not the countries if that's what you believe makes it a joint bid. To name the bid by the cities makes every winter bid a joint bid, and we all know that's not really the case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 You have absolutely no proof that I'm trying to fool anyone. You have never seen me, so you can't make judgement of my age, looks, height, hair colour etc. For all we know, everyone could be lying about who they are. Just saying, we are all behind a screen. That's it, Tony E. U're so full of baloney. It's like c'mon, u're NOT fooling anyone. I can see a phony a mile away---and that's after giving u the benefit of the doubt at the start. Hope you're happy with your continuing sham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony E Loves Architecture Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 That's it, Tony E. U're so full of baloney. It's like c'mon, u're NOT fooling anyone. I can see a phony a mile away---and that's after giving u the benefit of the doubt at the start. Hope you're happy with your continuing sham. There is no proof. Now leave me alone if your gonna keep on about me. I know who I am, so to be honest, I don't care what you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryker Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Here's the hangup I see with Krakow. It's not like Poland lacks the mountains that meet the all-important vertical drop requirement. The IOC could and probably will accept Krakow to the shortlist but in the end, would they question why Poland wants to use a venue in another country when they can clearly hold it themselves? On the other hand, if a Krakow bid is successful, then I think it opens the door for Quebec as the next Canadian city to host the WOGs using Whiteface Mountain at Lake Placid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Here's the hangup I see with Krakow. It's not like Poland lacks the mountains that meet the all-important vertical drop requirement. The IOC could and probably will accept Krakow to the shortlist but in the end, would they question why Poland wants to use a venue in another country when they can clearly hold it themselves? On the other hand, if a Krakow bid is successful, then I think it opens the door for Quebec as the next Canadian city to host the WOGs using Whiteface Mountain at Lake Placid. Krakow has a very clear reasoning for not using the Polish mountains. If that doesn't satisfy the IOC, then they can't be helped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) ... it opens the door for Quebec as the next Canadian city to host the WOGs using Whiteface Mountain at Lake Placid. But would the USOC or New York State allow it? Not going to happen if the US side is not agreeable. I mean what in your statement assumes that Whiteface is available for a Canadian bid when they (the Canucks) want it?? Won't really be available until you ask the US side and they say it is. Apparently Krakow and the Polish and Slovak NOCs have already moved past their agreements. Edited January 21, 2014 by baron-pierreIV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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