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^^ I think that's the current plan, just put some temporary seats on the infield.

Is the 40,000-venue really an IOC-required minimum for ceremonies?

Torino 2006 used smaller stadium, Stockholm and Lviv are bidding with Tele2 Arena (~ 30,000) and Arena Lviv (34,915). I guess Oslo hasn't chosen the opening ceremony venue yet, but the proposed Ulleval Stadium is a 25,572 all-seater.

Even if Wisla Stadium would be rejected for some reason, there's still a backup plan for opening ceremony: Błonia Meadows. That outdoor area could easly accomodate 50,000 people (it packed more than 1,000,000 people during John Paul II mass in 1997 and about 2,500,000 in 2002, they were mostly standing places, though).

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Isnt that where people will stay in tents for the games because there are not enough hotel space in Krakow Krakow is hosting the 2016 World Youth Day where 95% of people will stay in tents I don't think anyone want to do tenting in the cold Poland winter.

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Isnt that where people will stay in tents for the games because there are not enough hotel space in Krakow Krakow is hosting the 2016 World Youth Day where 95% of people will stay in tents I don't think anyone want to do tenting in the cold Poland winter.

A) World *Youth* Day already implies many young people attending, certainly a younger average than Olympic tourists. Youth is more likely to even want to sleep in tents.

B) When will it take place? My guess is sometime in summer during school/uni holidays - it may rain, but even in Poland, summer is warmer than winter.

C) Kraków is Poland's top tourist destination, they surely have enough accomodation - if not now, then by the time the WOG will come. And they even will have post- Games use.

D) To sum this up: Your arguments above bring no negative effect at all to the bid. Like it or not, Kraków is far likelier to get 22 than Almaty.

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It should also be noted that for World Youth Day in Sydney, during the lead up of the event peeps coming all over the world were sponsored by local parishes to stay in communities throughout Australia. A German delegation for example stayed in my local Parish here in Melbourne with locals housing them for a week or so during the lead up of WYD. I assume some might have done the same when in Sydney for the event.

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Isnt that where people will stay in tents for the games because there are not enough hotel space in Krakow Krakow is hosting the 2016 World Youth Day where 95% of people will stay in tents I don't think anyone want to do tenting in the cold Poland winter.

You made my day mate ;-) World Youth day will wake place in June 2016 and is is character of the event including big 'tent city'. A lot of young people without briefcases full of money ;-) Couchsurfing, hostels, tents. For sure no tenting during WOG (but for example its 30th of December and we hadnt any snow and temperature belowe 0oC this winter here in Krakow). Krakow with Prague and Wienna are main tourist destination in central Europe. As I mentioned Krakow is 50th in list of the most visited cities in the whole World. In 2013 - about 10mln of visitors. I know the city and I know advantages and problems of bid. For sure accomodation belongs to the first one category ;-)

For those who wants to know how winter in 2013 looks in Krakow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDz1ZZptIso

and how happiness look here ;-)

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The Krakow Bid is starting to grow on me, but I am still doubtful because of the joint country bid. Still want Stockholm/Are to win.

I like 3 of the bids, those being Krakow, Stockholm, and Oslo. But what disappoints me is that only one of these cities can win, and it isn't likely any of them would win again until 2030 or even bid again at all. I think Krakow will continue to bid to get the olympics, but judging by the skepticism that went into the Stockholm and Oslo bids, I worry if they lose they won't bid again, but I really want to see an olympics in Krakow sooner than later. I think 2026 will go to North America, 2030 back to a new frontier or maybe Europe, and then you are looking at 2030 or maybe even 2034. It would just be disappointing if these cities stop bidding, especially Stockholm/Oslo, if they don't win.

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I like 3 of the bids, those being Krakow, Stockholm, and Oslo. But what disappoints me is that only one of these cities can win, and it isn't likely any of them would win again until 2030 or even bid again at all. I think Krakow will continue to bid to get the olympics, but judging by the skepticism that went into the Stockholm and Oslo bids, I worry if they lose they won't bid again, but I really want to see an olympics in Krakow sooner than later. I think 2026 will go to North America, 2030 back to a new frontier or maybe Europe, and then you are looking at 2030 or maybe even 2034. It would just be disappointing if these cities stop bidding, especially Stockholm/Oslo, if they don't win.

I'm supporting Stockholm/Are, 2nd is Oslo/Lillehammer and 3rd now I am in a dilemma between Almaty and Krakow. Like I said, Krakow is growing on me.

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I like 3 of the bids, those being Krakow, Stockholm, and Oslo. But what disappoints me is that only one of these cities can win, and it isn't likely any of them would win again until 2030 or even bid again at all. I think Krakow will continue to bid to get the olympics, but judging by the skepticism that went into the Stockholm and Oslo bids, I worry if they lose they won't bid again, but I really want to see an olympics in Krakow sooner than later. I think 2026 will go to North America, 2030 back to a new frontier or maybe Europe, and then you are looking at 2030 or maybe even 2034. It would just be disappointing if these cities stop bidding, especially Stockholm/Oslo, if they don't win.

Yeah, I guess the next chance for Europe will be 2030. One of them will get 22, ruling out 26 for the others, which at this point seems already pre-reserved for China IMHO. Not sure about North America in the equation as both Canada and US seem to target Summer Games much more. If both lose out to Durban/Paris/Rome etc. for 24, they'll probably try again for 28. And given Canada was the last Winter host in North America, they might not really want to try 26 too, but only put their energy in getting Summer Games, whereas I could imagine the US now going for anything they can get, which might make life for the European losers of 22 more complicated.

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Yeah, I guess the next chance for Europe will be 2030. One of them will get 22, ruling out 26 for the others, which at this point seems already pre-reserved for China IMHO.

...or Almaty, if they got shortlisted in 2022 and pull something even better for 2026.

Not sure about North America in the equation as both Canada and US seem to target Summer Games much more. If both lose out to Durban/Paris/Rome etc. for 24, they'll probably try again for 28

Still lot of time to the 2024 bidding process, but the European bidders don't look strong to me right now. Rome is already out, Paris doesn't look like they're going for it, Berlin and Hamburg, as you said, are unlikely. That leaves Europe with maybe another bid from Baku/Istanbul (I guess Spaniards are out too), Milano and some newbies like Budapest?

And given Canada was the last Winter host in North America, they might not really want to try 26 too, but only put their energy in getting Summer Games, whereas I could imagine the US now going for anything they can get, which might make life for the European losers of 22 more complicated.

but US going for anything they can get wouldn't help Beijing 2026 bid either, I really don't think the 2026 spot is so pre-reserved for China.

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...or Almaty, if they got shortlisted in 2022 and pull something even better for 2026.

I don't see Almaty for 2026, either. The Chinese could easily make a compelling case for their first Winter Olympics & especially with a consecutive winter bid for 2026. Almaty, like Baku, may look flashy & nice on paper, but in reality, I don't believe it's a candidate the IOC would be interested in whatsoever.

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Rome is already out, Paris doesn't look like they're going for it,.

Who says Rome is already out. CONI is already partial to a Rome 2024 candidacy, & the mayor of Rome & new Italian PM have said that they would endorse such an endeavor. It was the mayor of Milan that was saying such a thing bcuz he would like to see his city bid instead. So Rome is hardly "out" for now.

And same for Paris, too. There's at least been some mention from a few French politicians about the possibility of a Paris 2024. So it's way too early yet to say with certainty who is in & who is out. Just like at 2020. Four years ago at this time many were already crowning South Africa for those Games. But in the end the wound up not bidding. Let's at least get through the 2022 race before we start casting things for 2024.

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Krakow has more chance than Beijing, for the simple fact that Beijing hosted the Summer Olympics recently. I'm in a dilemma for my 3rd favourite, either Almaty or Krakow.

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Still lot of time to the 2024 bidding process, but the European bidders don't look strong to me right now. Rome is already out, Paris doesn't look like they're going for it, Berlin and Hamburg, as you said, are unlikely. That leaves Europe with maybe another bid from Baku/Istanbul (I guess Spaniards are out too), Milano and some newbies like Budapest?

Why many people here are thinking Rome is out? It was just the mayor of Milan trying to steal the spotlight in favor of his city. After that, the mayor of Rome denied that and next, the Italian Prime Minister supported Rome bid. Even the P.M. talked with Bach about the project and the CONI is more in line of Rome -According to recent news-. Until an official statement from the CONI, Rome 2024 bid is still on race.

Like FYI said, in France they started to pull pieces for a new Paris bid, especially with the close Paris elections -Choosing the next mayor between the socialist Anne Hidalgo and the UMP Nathalie Kosciousko-Marizet-. But now, we have more politicians speaking highly of the project. Remember, at this stage four years ago, Tokyo was exactly in the same line.

Also, unfortunally I count out Budapest. Maybe it's better to get the second European Games

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Also, unfortunally I count out Budapest. Maybe it's better to get the second European Games

I would happily count out Budapest as long as this wannabe fascist is in power there...If the IOC shied away from Erdogan's Turkey, they won't even touch Orban's Hungary with a bargepole.

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The IOC voters are fine with wannabe fascist dictators. As long as they are stable.

I agree. If you look at all these negative points from the IOC's perspective, then Sochi would deffiently not had 2014 Winter Olympics, and Rio wouldn't because of poverty. So the IOC picked these and ignored the major issues, because Sochi offered an Olympic Park Concept and Rio was a new continent.

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I disagree about Rio. Rio would have gotten the games regardless due to their unique marketing that the games had not been to South America yet and proving that they could host in light of the 2007 Pan American Games. The IOC (and everyone in general) knew that Rio has it's poor parts but regardless of that can still host something as huge as the Olympics.

Same thing will happen to a South African city should they choose to bid in 2024. The IOC will simply put aside the negative aspect of that city's poorer parts and see overall that if they are ready, they will win.

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The IOC voters are fine with wannabe fascist dictators. As long as they are stable.

That may have been true in the past, and probably still is when it comes to calibers like China or Russia, but after all the uproar around Sochi (and Qatar's WC), I'd be surprised if the IOC at least (no hope for FIFA, I'm afraid) wouldn't become more cautious.

Besides, Hungary population-wise is about the same as Greece, with Budapest metro being even smaller than Athens I believe. Their economy is in a critical condition and we knowhow the Olympic "boost" helped Greece's economy in the long run.

That's all enough for me not to rate any Budapest bid highly in the next few bid cycles.

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Yeah, I guess the next chance for Europe will be 2030. One of them will get 22, ruling out 26 for the others, which at this point seems already pre-reserved for China IMHO. Not sure about North America in the equation as both Canada and US seem to target Summer Games much more. If both lose out to Durban/Paris/Rome etc. for 24, they'll probably try again for 28. And given Canada was the last Winter host in North America, they might not really want to try 26 too, but only put their energy in getting Summer Games, whereas I could imagine the US now going for anything they can get, which might make life for the European losers of 22 more complicated.

I don't see any reason why 2026 can't be held in Europe even if Europe gets 2022, as long as it's in another part of the continent. If Scandinavia gets 2022, then I can see 2026 going to the Alps. It's not like back to back European WOG will be a regular occurrence, but it's bound to happen once in a while. Now, whether the Alpine countries even want it at all is a different story, but that's their own doing.

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I personally think that by Continent this will be the pattern - 2022 (Europe), 2024 (Europe), 2026 (Asia), 2028 (Africa), 2030 (North America), 2032 (South America).

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I don't see any reason why 2026 can't be held in Europe even if Europe gets 2022, as long as it's in another part of the continent. If Scandinavia gets 2022, then I can see 2026 going to the Alps. It's not like back to back European WOG will be a regular occurrence, but it's bound to happen once in a while. Now, whether the Alpine countries even want it at all is a different story, but that's their own doing.

Well, Europe probably still has the most potential host countries, even though the Alpine ones are currently less than lukewarm to the idea of hosting, so from that perspective, every once in a while a back to back from different regions of Europe could happen indeed. But as long as in the same bidding cycle there are acceptable options from elsewhere, the European bid(s) have a steep hill to climb. Example is 2018: Clearly Sochi is a totally different region than Munich, which certainly had a very solid bid at the time, but against PC, it was chanceless in the end also because of the geopolitical factor.

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If North America continues to sit out from bidding on the Winter Games, we are likely to see back-to-back Games in Europe in either the 20s or 30s. Realistically, if Canada and the U.S. both bid on the Summer Games until one of them wins (probably 2032), we probably won't see another Winter Games in North America until 2038. I'm sure China will get the Winter Games in that stretch, but Almaty is the only other realistic option in Asia after that. How Sochi turns out will probably determine whether or not the IOC is willing to touch that part of the world again in the foreseeable future.

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Well, Europe probably still has the most potential host countries, even though the Alpine ones are currently less than lukewarm to the idea of hosting, so from that perspective, every once in a while a back to back from different regions of Europe could happen indeed. But as long as in the same bidding cycle there are acceptable options from elsewhere, the European bid(s) have a steep hill to climb. Example is 2018: Clearly Sochi is a totally different region than Munich, which certainly had a very solid bid at the time, but against PC, it was chanceless in the end also because of the geopolitical factor.

Well, Munich was up against a PC bid which just seemed right at the time. Korea had certain timing and sentimental advantages that a Chinese bid wouldn't have, and vice versa a Chinese bid has strengths the Korean bid didn't have, so you'd have to take each race as it comes. A back to back 2014 and 2018 wasn't destined for Europe, but 2022 and 2026 might. Regardless what happens in 2022, one thing won't change- the last Alpine games will have been 2006- and more time will have passed by the time they vote for 2026 compared to 2018. Conversely, less time will have passed since the last Asian WOG for 2026 as opposed to what PC faced for 2018.

Leaving China aside, the US is the only other legitimate non-European contender, and there is no American winter bid at the time which would be as compelling as a Munich or Salzburg bid.

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