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WINNER: Big-City Games - This result has halted, or at least paused, the until now seemingly unstoppable march of the new frontiers. China and Brazil weren't followed by Turkey, but Beijing and London are being followed by Rio and Tokyo. The big cities with big populations are stealing the show as far as the Summer Games are concerned. The revenues that can be promised, the full stadiums, fewer worries about unused stadiums etc. Does this mean we won't see Games like Barcelona or Athens in future; have the Games outgrown all but the biggest cities? What does this then do for Durban/South Africa?

LOSER: Turkey's Sporting Summer - this was the nation that, a year or so ago, was looking forward to (almost certainly!) hosting either the Olympics or the European Championships. It was inconceivable they'd get neither and some on this board were even speculating that it would be possible for them to host both! They've contrived to lose both instead...the Euros because of UEFA getting nervous about their Olympic aspirations and the match-fixing scandals, the Olympics because of domestic politics and a bid that, for all its excitement, wasn't as "new" as Rio. Maybe they got greedy.

not so quick.. Istanbul can stage as the 2020 uefa final match and we back izmir 2020 expo too...

uefa is more likely but izmir can change too many things in turkey.... even could be a plus for following bids

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Tokyo has won the 2020 SOG, while Madrid and Istanbul lost again (and over again). But these 3 cities are not the only winner and losers, in any of those two groups, there're from countries until cha

Another clear-cut winner: the good people of GamesBids. This leaves 2024 open for a potentially exciting race, both in terms of number of overall bidders and number of new bidders/bidders that have

I would put it more that there needs to be a certain level of economic, political and social stability (over a period of decades) to be able to pull off a successful games. The workforce needs to be

Emre, to echo what baron said, do you think that if Izmir is awarded Expo 2020, it could be a viable candidate for an Olympic bid in, say, the 2030s?

izmir is a nice city maybe better life quality and compact but neither it has barcelonas charming or istanbuls exoticism.. if turkey cant sell Istanbul its hard to sell izmir tough. Istanbul can be more crowded and chaotic but everyone knows istanbuls sillhouete.. what u know about Izmir? not an atlanta or chicago... its like instead of London , manchester or liverpool to serve ... i dont think it will works...

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I don't really know to be honest, I guess the successive failures logically helped the local support plunge, yes. But it's not just about that, there's just no will to host the Games, I think the French officials are now comfortable dealing with IOC matters, and choosing hosts for the Games, and they don't want to bother investing time, energy, and money in a hazardous project.

The same state of mind prevails among the people, and also more surprinsigly: among the athletes, who generally think France should invest on better infrastructures rather than on a doomed bid (especially the swimmers, who all make statements about how they d like better pools and equipment).

Yesterday, interviewed after Tokyo's victory, several French officials said they were "not even considering" bidding. Besides, don't forget they are busy with the Euro 2018.

As far as I'm concerned, I would love some summer olympics in Toronto, because I live close to it and because I love it :)

As for further Paris bids, it all depends what the situation will be like in the future I guess, and that's impossible to know. Nothing should just be expected at the moment.

Thanks for this and for your thoughts on the subject.

I do wonder though if maybe the French are cutting their noses off to spite their faces (to coin a well-known English phrase). I strongly feel that Paris 2024 is virtually there for the taking if they are interested. IMO it is even more of a cert for Paris than was 2012 and I can't foresee any other city pipping Paris to the post this time.

It will be a pity if the French let their understandably wounded pride stand in the way of what would be an absolute shoo-in for 2024. If they ever really want to see another Olympic Games hosted in the French capital, 2024 will be the time to go for it. A more golden opportunity will probably never come round again anytime soon!

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Thanks for this and for your thoughts on the subject.

I do wonder though if maybe the French are cutting their noses off to spite their faces (to coin a well-known English phrase). I strongly feel that Paris 2024 is virtually there for the taking if they are interested. IMO it is even more of a cert for Paris than was 2012 and I can't foresee any other city pipping Paris to the post this time.

It will be a pity if the French let their understandably wounded pride stand in the way of what would be an absolute shoo-in for 2024. If they ever really want to see another Olympic Games hosted in the French capital, 2024 will be the time to go for it. A more golden opportunity will probably never come round again anytime soon!

http://www.gamesbids.com/forums/topic/23063-paris-2024/?p=407307

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It will be a pity if the French let their understandably wounded pride stand in the way of what would be an absolute shoo-in for 2024. If they ever really want to see another Olympic Games hosted in the French capital, 2024 will be the time to go for it. A more golden opportunity will probably never come round again anytime soon!

Mainad, that's precisely the sort of sneaky flattery that Paris should be weary of. Funny, how you never mentioned the possibiity of RSA 2024 (which, if the French are savvy), they should be leery of and steer clear of getting in Durban's way if they don't want to equal Istanbul's 5-0 record.

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Mainad, that's precisely the sort of sneaky flattery that Paris should be weary of. Funny, how you never mentioned the possibiity of RSA 2024 (which, if the French are savvy), they should be leery of and steer clear of getting in Durban's way if they don't want to equal Istanbul's 5-0 record.

Thanks for the timely warning Baron! :)

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Interesting post and you raise many good points.

But, come on, have you ever known any city in the world that has ever regretted hosting the Olympics? They all begin with doubts and scepticism, but always bask in the glory of the experience afterwards. I have never come across ANYBODY who has ever said it was all a terrible mistake and, if only they had known, they never would have bid in the first place. Nobody. It's always the exact opposite.

So I can only hope you and the other Frenchies can get over your bitterness at being overtaken at the last minute by 'filthy, dirty, brutal' London, and bid for what is practically a dead cert. Even the IOC would not be mad enough to deny Paris a 4th consecutive bid and for a centenary Games at that, always providing that a proper bid is put together of course because nobody gets anything handed to them on a plate.

Of course, Paris doesn't NEED them. But it would enjoy the experience and it would provide a much needed boost for the economy as well as making Paris and the French feel EVEN better about themselves than they already do (if that's even possible...lol)! Paris is a city with a well-deserved reputation for putting on a great show with great international appeal. What show on earth is greater or has more international appeal than the hosting of a Summer Olympic Games? After all, you must have thought so until recently as you made no less than THREE recent attempts to get them. I feel it is only wounded pride that is standing in the way of an almost certainly successful FOURTH attempt.

So I'm keeping my fingers crossed that your last sentence is the one that will come to pass! :)

Mainad, that's precisely the sort of sneaky flattery that Paris should be weary of. Funny, how you never mentioned the possibiity of RSA 2024 (which, if the French are savvy), they should be leery of and steer clear of getting in Durban's way if they don't want to equal Istanbul's 5-0 record.

Nah, Paris has got to be the sentimental favourite for 2024. If it enters,with a properly put together and exciting bid of course, I just can't see the IOC denying it again. Just my twopennyworth, of course.

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Nah, Paris has got to be the sentimental favourite for 2024. If it enters,with a properly put together and exciting bid of course, I just can't see the IOC denying it again. Just my twopennyworth, of course.

Now didn't we hear the before in the time leading up to the 1996 selection? And it was for the more important Centennial and in the halls of Tokyo no less? But Athens of course, rued the day they were fed that line.

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Now didn't we hear the before in the time leading up to the 1996 selection? And it was for the more important Centennial and in the halls of Tokyo no less? But Athens of course, rued the day they were fed that line.

Athens 1996 just wasn't properly prepared for its Centennial Games. Their bid was insufficient and the IOC knew they couldn't risk it. If Athens 1996 had been properly prepared, I highly doubt they would have lost out to Atlanta. I understand that sentimental feeling ALONE is not enough to swing it. But Paris 2024 will have an excellent bid (Lord knows they've had enough practice) and would be a safe, pair of hands. So I feel, in Paris's case, the sentimental feeling would work to their advantage unlike with Athens.

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Thanks for this and for your thoughts on the subject.

I do wonder though if maybe the French are cutting their noses off to spite their faces (to coin a well-known English phrase). I strongly feel that Paris 2024 is virtually there for the taking if they are interested. IMO it is even more of a cert for Paris than was 2012 and I can't foresee any other city pipping Paris to the post this time.

It will be a pity if the French let their understandably wounded pride stand in the way of what would be an absolute shoo-in for 2024. If they ever really want to see another Olympic Games hosted in the French capital, 2024 will be the time to go for it. A more golden opportunity will probably never come round again anytime soon!

You're welcome.

Honestly, it's not a matter of pride or anything like that. There's not much to say really, or to understand other than there's just no will.

I do agree with Baron, remember what was said about Paris when it did bid for 2012 ...Something very close to what you're saying now ("it's a cert", "it's there if you're interested"). Now, whether it gets too late not is really not a concern. Beyond pride, an olympic bid also costs time, energy, money....That's also something you shouldn't forget. And for a hazardous project.

And yes, the main thing remains that, the will just vanished. I don't know what it is that did it, but it just did. If there's no will I guess you can't force a bid.

I couldn't agree more with my fellow Frenchy, and I think his post reflects really well what the state of mind is, among both officials and population.

We'll see what the future holds, but we should come to terms with it, there will be no Paris 2024.

By the way, I'm not even sure that summer games in Paris is what people are looking for, and will be looking for. I m even sure it's not. I think what people are looking for right now is a little bit of craziness, creativity, new things, inventive projects, eccentricity (at least, I am). Tokyo and its futuristic imagery and culture does fulfil this need. And there's a thirst for even crazier, original projects (why not Africa, original locations in developed countries...).

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So I can only hope you and the other Frenchies can get over your bitterness at being overtaken at the last minute by 'filthy, dirty, brutal' London,

That's not my opinion. I think the London games were the best so far and I had so much fun watching them with people. Even if the gap was so small, London was elected democratically and there's nothing we can say to that.

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That's not my opinion. I think the London games were the best so far and I had so much fun watching them with people. Even if the gap was so small, London was elected democratically and there's nothing we can say to that.

Yes, I know. It was my tongue-in-cheek reply to Frenchy's post, hence the pun on him and his fellow 'Frenchies'! ;)

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Now didn't we hear the before in the time leading up to the 1996 selection? And it was for the more important Centennial and in the halls of Tokyo no less? But Athens of course, rued the day they were fed that line.

I have to agree... i am so tired of these Centennials etc... they do not seem to matter to anyone except people on this forum.

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