Citius Altius Fortius 560 Posted September 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 Well - you don't know how many voted for Madrid and Istanbul in the first ballot - therefore it is hard to guess which city won in the second ballot... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hektor 87 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 Plus the three Spanish voters Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FYI 1191 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 No, it would be 97 votes. Now that Madrid is out, the three Spanish IOC members can vote. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hektor 87 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 Could someone confirm if the rules of the votes allow the number of votes of the tie breaker to be announced before the final vote ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Olympic Fan Darcy 321 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 Will some members vote for Tokyo annoyed that Istanbul knocked them out or vote for Istanbul because Tokyo had more Quote Link to post Share on other sites
deloxley 11 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 Awww, a pity to see those sad faces in the athlete members of the Spanish delegation and in Madrid. I don't think there'll be a fourth try for Madrid, especially after this harsh result. What could they show new in a fourth attempt that they haven't now and in 2009? Even more compact masterplan with all venues built? Well, any city that is eliminated would be very sad... so ... About Madrid, I think that now it is a time for self reflexion and I dont know if there will be a fourth attempt for Madrid or not. The fact that 80% of the venues were built is not that important in my opinion and I never used it to defend Madrid. It's nobody's fault that they built in in advance, even if there are being used right now to host other championships. In a way I felt that the presentation from Madrid was not what I expected and anyway, I think it wouldnt affect too much the vote. I really hope that Istanbul can really deliver a good games without any problems due to political uncertainty and that if the chosen is Tokyo, it is really true that radiation from Fukushima doesnt get worse. If thats not the case, we will have some really huge problems for the 2020 games. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kenadian 300 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 It all depends now on where the Madrid backers and the 3 Spanish IOC members want to shop/party/drink/eat in 2020. Istanbul may need all of them or slightly more than half of them...we'll find out soon enough. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
deawebo 77 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 Ok... I can see Istanbul gaining votes now, this is where the sentimental appeal may work... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
reindeer 58 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 It's a matter of how the votes were split in the first round. If it went tight like for 2016 then Istanbul can still catch Tokyo but they can't close a gap of 15 to 20 votes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ofan 697 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 I can see a lot of Madrid's votes falling to Istanbul. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PyroKinesis 61 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 People worried about the nuclear power plant obviously don't know how nuclear power works, or what is really happening there. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Athensfan 1081 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 Very very very close. I wouldn't be surprised if Tokyo escaped elimination itself on that first round by a vote or two. We're talking of a vote split ranging from 24-24-46 to 31-31-32. Exactly. It all depends on the breakdown of the first round. Did Tokyo have 46 votes or 32? If they were closer to 46, then Istanbul must pick up almost all of Madrid's votes. If Tokyo was closer to 32, Istanbul needs fewer votes to win. Personally, I think more Madrid voters will favor Istanbul than Tokyo, but that's meaningless unless we know how big Tokyo's lead was in the first round. It could go either way, but my feeling all along has been that if Istanbul could get into the final they had a great shot of winning. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mattperiolat 35 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 So its all about the however many members who voted for Madrid in the first round 1. Will they go to Tokyo or Istanbul? And the open votes by Spanish members, I think JAS Jr. was the only one though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tpman 2 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 I can see a lot of Madrid's votes falling to Istanbul. Yes! I believe in that. Lets see.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Rols 1900 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 Simple self-interest, surely, would dictate that a lot of madrid backers will move their votes to Tokyo to maximise Europe's chances for 2024. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Soaring 182 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 Go Tokyo, I mean.... Go Istanbul, wait I mean... I still can't decide who I want to win. I'm happy that Madrid was let go, they hopefully will finally get the message. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Go Europe 1 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 Istanbul is closer than ever to their dream! Actually it is all decided we just have to wait... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baron-pierreIV 1693 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 tokyo 40 madrid , Istanbul 27 Hey, I was soooooooooo close. I guessed...somewhere in the other thread that Madrid would only get "28" votes!! Ask me next time who will will. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DesmondChan 6 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 Will the members that can vote in the final round to think about whether to place the Games back-to-back in Asia in 2018 and 2020? I doubt some might switch the votes from Tokyo to Istanbul in the final round... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kenadian 300 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 Could someone confirm if the rules of the votes allow the number of votes of the tie breaker to be announced before the final vote ? I don't think that is an issue. The IOC members probably need to know the result of the tie immediately, considering it is a head-to-head elimination of just two candidates that already tied. They need to feel confident that going into the next round, the city going forward is the one that should go forward. Like how in the 2004 race, Cape Town got ahead of Buenos Aries after their bottom tie in the first round, and then Cape Town made it passed Stockholm in the next round. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hektor 87 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 Well dont use the future it has already happened Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faster 545 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 Exactly. It all depends on the breakdown of the first round. Did Tokyo have 46 votes or 32? If they were closer to 46, then Istanbul must pick up almost all of Madrid's votes. If Tokyo was closer to 32, Istanbul needs fewer votes to win. Personally, I think more Madrid voters will favor Istanbul than Tokyo, but that's meaningless unless we know how big Tokyo's lead was in the first round. It could go either way, but my feeling all along has been that if Istanbul could get into the final they had a great shot of winning. Simple self-interest, surely, would dictate that a lot of madrid backers will move their votes to Tokyo to maximise Europe's chances for 2024. I think many votes from the Americas will move from Madrid to Tokyo. Spanish votes will be self-serving and vote Tokyo. Its the African and Asian blocks that voted Madrid that could be critical. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
olympiaki-agones 52 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 I think the votes Madrid got will stick to Istanbul. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
emre 92 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 its said istanbul and madrid will be around 30/35... if so the final will end so close with 3/5 votes difference Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ofan 697 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 I think many votes from the Americas will move from Madrid to Tokyo. Spanish votes will be self-serving and vote Tokyo. Its the African and Asian blocks that voted Madrid that could be critical. I disagree. I think many votes from the Americas will move from Madrid to Istanbul, to further the chance of a North American bid in 2024. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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