Ansem Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Very impressive rendering, Paris has to be the clear favorites at this point, especially since Rome withdrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athan Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 On 15/10/2016 at 3:05 PM, neige said: I've just read the second bidbook: http://paris2024.org/medias/presse/bidbook_2_digital_anglais_cmjn_hd.pdf It can be noticed a few changes (it can be seen in table 22 at the end of the file): weightlifting is no more at Arena 92. It is at Zenith. It means there is now 1 sport only (Gymnastics) in Arena 92 (Arena 92 is a 30000 seats rugby stadium with a roof). Maybe they want to increase the capacity for gymnastics (17500 in the first bidbook)? boxing is no more at Zenith. It is now at Roland Garros! Suzan Lenglen court will be used. It is the second biggest court (10000 seats). It implies that a roof is needed (this is not planed in the current Roland Garros renewal project). http://www.nouveaurolandgarros.com/english-version There is now a second arena for basketball at Stade Pierre de Coubertin Stade Pierre de Coubertin is an old 4000 seats arena. It is planed 7.4 M$ for its renovation in the bidbook. I think it's a good idea to leave Arena 92 only for gymnastics, but moving boxing to Roland Garros is quite strange, isn't it? Not only the Suzanne Lenglen court would need a roof as you point out, but also it would leave the boxing venue "inside" the tennis venue, completely surrounded by tennis courts. I would understand this change better if boxing was to be held at the new Court des Serres, which is going to be a bit separated from the rest of the Roland Garros complex, although it isn't planned to have a roof either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamBlakeUSA Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 It's Very Different With The Renderings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neige Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 9 hours ago, Athan said: I think it's a good idea to leave Arena 92 only for gymnastics, but moving boxing to Roland Garros is quite strange, isn't it? Not only the Suzanne Lenglen court would need a roof as you point out, but also it would leave the boxing venue "inside" the tennis venue, completely surrounded by tennis courts. I would understand this change better if boxing was to be held at the new Court des Serres, which is going to be a bit separated from the rest of the Roland Garros complex, although it isn't planned to have a roof either. Yes it's quite strange because there's been no communication about these changes. I couldn't find any article speaking about that... In Roland Garros complex, maybe, they will only use the right part of Susanne Lenglen for tennis. It would make 10 courts. Don't know if it's enough? (and use the courts on the right for training) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neige Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 https://sportetsociete.org/2016/10/21/jo-2024-des-ajustements-techniques-pour-le-projet-de-paris/comment-page-1/#comment-16464 In this article, it is indicated that the roof of Suzanne Lenglen court will be a temporary structure (no link with the global Rolland Garros project) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryker Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 Does boxing necessarily have to have a roof though? I've seen plenty of professional boxing matches on TV that are outdoors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 1 hour ago, stryker said: Does boxing necessarily have to have a roof though? I've seen plenty of professional boxing matches on TV that are outdoors. I think, ideally, if the IOC could have all its wishes, it would be. Here's my feeling. Unless they can use a ring floor that will absorb all sorts of moisture and humidity to make it less slippery and dangerous, at least a roof would minimize the humidity on certain days. And a roof of course, provides better lighting insofar as TV needs. Otherwise, like in a BV court, the lights will be quite far away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 3 hours ago, stryker said: Does boxing necessarily have to have a roof though? I've seen plenty of professional boxing matches on TV that are outdoors. rain would be an issue. i suspect most outdoor fights are in places like Vegas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neige Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 1 hour ago, zekekelso said: rain would be an issue. i suspect most outdoor fights are in places like Vegas LA could do it! The city of sun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamBlakeUSA Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 I Think Paris Is Ready Because They Have Almost 80% Supporting People, Can Paris Get The 2024 Olympics? I Think Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neige Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 If they intend to use Suzanne Lenglen tennis court (which needs a temporary roof for that) for boxing, why don't they use the central court (15000 seats with a sliding roof) for basketball or volleyball finals? (tennis will end on the sunday at the end of the first week and it would be needed to get the court ready for basketball or volleyball on tuesday: 1/4 finals) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamBlakeUSA Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 How Much Do These Venues Cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neige Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 20 hours ago, neige said: If they intend to use Suzanne Lenglen tennis court (which needs a temporary roof for that) for boxing, why don't they use the central court (15000 seats with a sliding roof) for basketball or volleyball finals? (tennis will end on the sunday at the end of the first week and it would be needed to get the court ready for basketball or volleyball on tuesday: 1/4 finals) 1 hour ago, TeamBlakeUSA said: How Much Do These Venues Cost? Using Rolland Garros courts for volleyball would avoid the construction of a temporary arena (Le Bourget Pavillon 2 : 45 M$). And it would be much more impressive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 1 hour ago, neige said: Using Rolland Garros courts for volleyball would avoid the construction of a temporary arena (Le Bourget Pavillon 2 : 45 M$). And it would be much more impressive! For Beach V or Hard-court Indoor V? It might not work for the indoor brand which must NOT have any wind interference on the ball whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neige Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 I meant for indoor volleyball. So it depends on the roof structure that will be built.... Is there the same constraint for basketball? (no wind interference) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 5 hours ago, neige said: I meant for indoor volleyball. So it depends on the roof structure that will be built.... Is there the same constraint for basketball? (no wind interference) A basketball is a much heavier ball which I don't think a mild gust of wind can influence. Volleyballs are so much lighter. In Barcelona, I forget which was the venue for the women's finals, but the A/C had to be shut down whenever one side served because the downdraft from the vent, diverted the trajectory of the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neige Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 Looking at this picture, it seems the sliding roof will not be so airtight. So, maybe basketball would be the best solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamBlakeUSA Posted October 29, 2016 Report Share Posted October 29, 2016 Wow Another Rendering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarkSnow2012 Posted October 29, 2016 Report Share Posted October 29, 2016 On 26/10/2016 at 10:13 PM, neige said: Looking at this picture, it seems the sliding roof will not be so airtight. So, maybe basketball would be the best solution. I think when fully closed it could be made sufficiently airtight without too much trouble, so the big question would be more about what sport has most need of a 15,000 capacity arena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neige Posted October 29, 2016 Report Share Posted October 29, 2016 I think the priority order for Paris 2024 is: basketball (because it is world wide popular) handball (because France got 4 medals at the last 3 games) volleyball The current configuration is: Le Bourget Pavillon 2A (temporary, 12000 seats): week 1: volleyball week 2: volleyball Le Bourget Pavillon 2B (temporary, ????? seats): week 1: volleyball week 2: Paris Bercy arena 1 (15000 seats): week 1: judo week 2: basketball Paris Bercy arena 2 (10000 seats): week 1: basketball week 2: wrestling Pierre de Coubertin (4000 seats): week 1: basketball week 2: Parc expo porte de Versailles Hall1 (12000 seats): week 1: hanball week 2: handbball Rolland Garros Lenglen (temporary roof, 10000 seats) week 1: boxing week 2: boxing Rolland Garros Chatrier (sliding roof, 15000 seats) week 1: tennis week 2: If Rolland Garros Chatrier was used during the second week for basketball, we could have: Le Bourget Pavillon 2A (temporary, 12000 seats): Le Bourget Pavillon 2B (temporary, ????? seats): Paris Bercy arena 1 (15000 seats): week 1: judo week 2: handball Paris Bercy arena 2 (10000 seats): week 1: handball week 2: wrestling Parc expo porte de Versailles Hall1 (12000 seats): week 1: volleyball week 2: volleyball Pierre de Coubertin (4000 seats): week 1: volleyball week 2: Rolland Garros Lenglen (temporary roof, 10000 seats) week 1: basketball week 2: boxing Rolland Garros Chatrier (sliding roof, 15000 seats) week 1: tennis week 2: basketball Parc expo porte de Versailles Hall4-A (5000 seats): week 1: basketball week 2: Parc expo porte de Versailles Hall4-B (5000 seats): week 1: boxing week 2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2016 5 hours ago, JMarkSnow2012 said: I think when fully closed it could be made sufficiently airtight without too much trouble, so the big question would be more about what sport has most need of a 15,000 capacity arena. If the French men's national in VB does better than Basketball, then it should go to Indoor Volleyball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamBlakeUSA Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 They Are Doing Pretty Impressive So Far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neige Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 some 360° videos 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nacre Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 On 10/25/2016 at 9:52 AM, neige said: Using Rolland Garros courts for volleyball would avoid the construction of a temporary arena (Le Bourget Pavillon 2 : 45 M$). And it would be much more impressive! Ma preference est pour le tennis. Londres n'a pas eu basket a Wimbledon. Est-ce que le basket plus populaire que le volleyball en France? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamBlakeUSA Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 We Still Have Nearly 300 Days To Go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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