Paris 2024

[Roger87]

Also, the Republicans got 27,8% (Gaining points comparing the last election). If any case, this is a defeat of the Left.

[hektor]

The Socialists keep great chances to retain the leadership in the Paris region and the FN is weak there.

They are trying to strike a deal with the Greens to merge their lists. Possible the Greens ask for a referendum about the Games.

Edited December 7, 2015 by hektor

[Rob2012]

The Socialists keep great chances to retain the leadership in the Paris region and the FN is weak there.

They are trying to strike a deal with the Greens to merge their lists. Possible the Greens ask for a referendum about the Games.

Wow

[StefanMUC]

If it weren't so sad, it would almost be funny to imagine an IOC having to choose between Orbán, Trump and Le Pen for 2024.

[Nacre]

I don't want to turn this thread into a political discussion, but since it seems that has already happened . . .

Trump is very popular with anarcho-capitalists, but no one else. Social conservatives and pro-military people hate him almost as much as the left does. The current situation in the USA is similar to France: this is much more about mainstream politicians being weak than the far right being strong. Mainstream parties need to find charismatic outsider politicians who can promise change. Unfortunately the mainstream parties in the USA want to give us Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush, while France is being offered another round of Hollande and Sarkozy

[Roger87]

If it weren't so sad, it would almost be funny to imagine an IOC having to choose between Orbán, Trump and Le Pen for 2024.

Maybe Matteo Salvini can enter in the group in the next elections.

[hektor]

The programmatic agreement between the socialists and the Greens in Paris region will be published today.

[hektor]

http://www.lemonde.fr/elections-regionales-2015/article/2015/12/09/regionales-en-ile-de-france-l-accord-conclu-entre-les-partis-de-gauche-prevoit-la-sortie-du-diesel_4827970_4640869.html

No sign of any discussion between the Greens and the Socialist Party about the Paris bid. Only some descoping of Grand Paris Express.

[neige]

http://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1032392/los-angeles-to-be-first-bid-city-to-present-at-crucial-ioc-session-in-lima

That is such good news for Paris. It does increase their chance of winning (they were first for 2012, London last)

Why is it so important?

[JO2024]

http://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1032392/los-angeles-to-be-first-bid-city-to-present-at-crucial-ioc-session-in-lima

Why is it so important?

Because no Bid city that presented firts ever got the Games. And Many Bid citiies that presented last were awarded the Games. The IOC members, when they vote, remember best the last city that presented their bid. That makes sense.

[zekekelso]

I thought the IOC games makers got bored by the time the last presenters came along and didn't pay much attention.

You had to shoot an arrow at them or something to get their consideration.

[woohooitsme83]

But the last presentation would still be fresh in the IOC's mind when voting comes afterward.

[woohooitsme83]

Theoretically.

[Roger87]

O.K. for Ikarus' hyperventilation and interest of others, these are the results of the second round, At the end, FN didn't win at the end. Still this can be a warning sign for the big parties:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/dec/13/french-regional-elections-2015-live

[neige]

Paris region in now on the right side (while Paris mayor is still on the left side).

As president of "Île de France" (Paris region), Valerie Pecresse will be a member of the Paris bid board.

She said she will support the bid.

The board is composed of 31 members:

- 16 from the sports movement

- 15 from public institutions

5 from the state (left side at least until May 2017)

5 from Paris city (left side)

5 from Paris region (right side)

Résultats régionales 2015

Île-de-France

Valérie PECRESSEListe d'Union de la droite

L'alternance avec Valérie Pécresse

43,80 %1 629 236 votes

Claude BARTOLONEListe d'Union de la gauche

LA GAUCHE ET LES ÉCOLOGISTES RASSEMBLÉS AVEC CLAUDE BARTOLONE

42,18 %1 569 093 votes

Wallerand DE SAINT JUSTListe du Front national

LISTE FRONT NATIONAL PRESENTEE PAR MARINE LE PEN

14,02 %521 383 votes

[neige]

http://gamesbids.com/eng/featured/paris-2024-olympic-bid-fundraising-plans-in-jeopardy/

[neige]

Football matches will be played in 8 cities if Paris gets thje games.

9 cities have been pre-selected.

• Parc des Princes / Paris (49 691 places),
• Matmut-Atlantique / Bordeaux (42 115),
• Stade Pierre Mauroy / Lille (50 186),
• Stade des Lumières / Lyon (59 286),
• Stade Vélodrome / Marseille (67 000),
• Stade de la Beaujoire / Nantes (37 473),
• Allianz Riviera / Nice (35 624),
• Stade Geoffroy-Guichard / Saint-Etienne (41 138),
• Stadium Municipal / Toulouse (35 575).

http://sportetsociete.org/2015/12/18/jo-2024-paris-pre-selectionne-neuf-stades-de-football/

[Rob2012]

So will the final be in Paris or in the biggest stadium?

[rogerdown]

So will the final be in Paris or in the biggest stadium?

.'' Each site will receive 7-8 meetings, while the finals will be held at the Parc des Princes which will have benefited from post-EURO 2016 renovations.''

[baron-pierreIV]

Football matches will be played in 8 cities if Paris gets thje games.

9 cities have been pre-selected.

• Parc des Princes / Paris (49 691 places),
• Matmut-Atlantique / Bordeaux (42 115),
• Stade Pierre Mauroy / Lille (50 186),
• Stade des Lumières / Lyon (59 286),
• Stade Vélodrome / Marseille (67 000),
• Stade de la Beaujoire / Nantes (37 473),
• Allianz Riviera / Nice (35 624),
• Stade Geoffroy-Guichard / Saint-Etienne (41 138),
• Stadium Municipal / Toulouse (35 575).

http://sportetsociete.org/2015/12/18/jo-2024-paris-pre-selectionne-neuf-stades-de-football/

WHY? This totally goes against the idea of Agenda 2020 -- which is downsizing the Games as much as possible. I don't see this as a good thing.

[Rob2012]

WHY? This totally goes against the idea of Agenda 2020 -- which is downsizing the Games as much as possible. I don't see this as a good thing.

Errrrr....no. Agenda 2020 is - in theory at least - about tailoring the Games to hosts' existing infrastructure to lessen the burden.

Selling out a load of already existing football stadiums is one of the few guaranteed profit-makers for organising committees. London 2012 sold 2,186,150 tickets for football, for example. At a guess that's probably not far off £100m in revenue for zero venue construction right there (probably more than that once you add in hospitality etc).

Keeping the football tournament spread around the country in its biggest stadiums is definitely a good thing. This is a case of if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Edited December 19, 2015 by Rob.

[baron-pierreIV]

Errrrr....no. Agenda 2020 is - in theory at least - about tailoring the Games to hosts' existing infrastructure to lessen the burden.

Selling out a load of already existing football stadiums is one of the few guaranteed profit-makers for organising committees. London 2012 sold 2,186,150 tickets for football, for example. At a guess that's probably not far off £100m in revenue for zero venue construction right there (probably more than that once you add in hospitality etc).

Keeping the football tournament spread around the country in its biggest stadiums is definitely a good thing. This is a case of if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I'm aware they have a whole slew of new stadia because of EUro 2016. But still that adds Org costs to spread it out to 8-9 venues. And then FIFA will expect that of the next hosting, etc., etc. When will it stop??

Well, I hope the French know what they are doing.

Edited December 19, 2015 by baron-pierreIV

[zekekelso]

Agenda 2020 isn't all about downsizing the games. That would be easy; just cut stuff. It's about downsizing the burden of hosting. BIG difference.

Hosting events in more existing stadiums don't add much to your costs, and spreads the game over the country. You need *France* to help pay for the games. The more of France you can involve, the better.

[baron-pierreIV]

Agenda 2020 isn't all about downsizing the games. That would be easy; just cut stuff. It's about downsizing the burden of hosting. BIG difference.

Hosting events in more existing stadiums don't add much to your costs, and spreads the game over the country. You need *France* to help pay for the games. The more of France you can involve, the better.

WRONG. OF course, security and hosting costs are doubled when you ramp up from the usual 4 venues to 8 or 9. Don't kid yourself into thinking that those costs don't add up. Tokyo 2020 - hello? But I see where they want to involve more of the country.

[JO2024]

I don't see this as bad thing at all. Way to involve the whole France into the Games instead of just Paris. And anyway, with the new biding process, if the IOC is not happy about it they'll make sure to tell the Paris Bid Committee.