Paris 2024

[Roger87]

Yesterday (Bastille Day) in Rio, bleu blanc rouge, in support of Paris 2024 (I think)!

And yesterday in Paris, for the big fireworks!

You see, it's a good omen ;D

[Mainad]

Great pictures! It really feels like the 2024 Olympic race is already underway!!

[Faster]

When no one cares that 2022 is going to be decided soon we have to find some excitement somewhere.

[Roger87]

When no one cares that 2022 is going to be decided soon we have to find some excitement somewhere.

Yep, but being honests, the 2022 is decided between the Atlantas of the WOG.

[brennus86]

Two sites in northern Paris, La Courneuve and Saint-Denis Pleyel, remain in competition to host the Olympic Village.

https://fr.sports.yahoo.com/news/jo-2024-puzzle-%C3%A0-paris-met-place-131323408--spt.html

[JO2024]

It seems whenever I say Paris should not be considerd the frontrunner it upsets everyone on here. So let me explain why: Paris 2024 will have most of their venues in Sein Saint-Denis (the département North of Paris): Stade de France, the aquatic center, the athletes village, the multiple arenas, etc. Which is great, since 2 airports would be located very close to those venues, and it would considerably boost this region. BUT, for their 2008 bid, Paris had planned to have the athletes village in the Seine Saint-Denis, and it scared the **** out of the IOC who advised Paris to change that. Cause, yes, Seine Saint-Denis is the poorest département) in France. It's definitely not the safest one, and I get that the IOC is not confident about Olympic stuff going on there. But, here you go, now Paris is going for a bunch of major venues there. And though I do like the idea and see why they want to go there, I do also know the IOC won't like it. At all.

[zekekelso]

Psst. 2012 games. Olympic park build in the crappiest neighborhood of London.

The IOC *liked* it. Revitalization. Heal the world. Make it a better place. All that.

[yoshi]

Newham was a bit of a hole before 2012 you know

[Roger87]

Most of the recent Olympic villages were located in poor neighbours or abandoned industrial zones as part of the renovation of the zone. Btw JO2024, where did you heard that (Sorry for the word) bullshit? 2012 bid still use Saint Denis as part of the Olympic Village and it was qualified as the best technical bid of the race and London (Which beat Paris btw) use exactly the same strategy in Newham (A deeply poor zone in East London as part of urbanization.

Also, this sense of "I knew the IOC won't like it", when there's no key evidence to sustain that is just air. 2008 wasn't lost for the "scary Saint Denis" like losing for geopolitics and rotation or how 2012 it lost in a close race with a city using the same strategy of revitalization of an abandoned urban zone in a poor violent area likr East London. If you have a link to sustain that, I would love to see it, because no one would believe that ridiculous claim.

[runningrings]

JO2024- you need to wind it down a bit- your attitude is terrible and a put off even to Paris 2024 supporters like myself.

The French bid team seem to be working hard to ensure this bid is asshat free, so why don't you cooperate and turn it down a notch.

[baron-pierreIV]

It seems whenever I say Paris should not be considerd the frontrunner it upsets everyone on here. So let me explain why: Paris 2024 will have most of their venues in Sein Saint-Denis (the département North of Paris): Stade de France, the aquatic center, the athletes village, the multiple arenas, etc. Which is great, since 2 airports would be located very close to those venues, and it would considerably boost this region. BUT, for their 2008 bid, Paris had planned to have the athletes village in the Seine Saint-Denis, and it scared the **** out of the IOC who advised Paris to change that. Cause, yes, Seine Saint-Denis is the poorest département) in France. It's definitely not the safest one, and I get that the IOC is not confident about Olympic stuff going on there. But, here you go, now Paris is going for a bunch of major venues there. And though I do like the idea and see why they want to go there, I do also know the IOC won't like it. At all.

Atlanta's main stadium and Centennial Park were carved out of the seamiest and most rundown parts of Atlanta. As someone else said -- revitalization and renewal.

[Roger87]

Seoul, Barcelona, Atlanta, Sydney, London - Their Olympic villages and park were located in poor zones, post industrial wastelands or marginal villages. And some parts of Rio like Marina and Deodoro came in full revitalization. Actually the IOC loves the revitalization and reneval of urban parts. This is part of yhe legacy they love to show and Saint Denis is the perfect way to show (Sorry but it's still ridiculous that claim of the IOC being scared of Saint Denis when they choose previously more dangerous urban zones) the values and legacy of a SOG in a host city.

[Frenchy]

JO2024- you need to wind it down a bit- your attitude is terrible and a put off even to Paris 2024 supporters like myself.

The French bid team seem to be working hard to ensure this bid is asshat free, so why don't you cooperate and turn it down a notch.

Agreed.....

[DamC]

The parts of Seine Saint Denis that will be part of the Olympic bid already hosted a World Cup final, an IAAF World Championship and are about to host a Euro final and a United Nations Conference. I don't think Paris will have trouble selling these locations to the IOC

[JO2024]

Ok guys, I think I'm not being understood quite clearly here. I'm gonna have another go at it. I couldn't agree more than the revitalization of the Seine Saint-Denis is the best thing in this bid. Paris is working hard to make sure this poor region is fully integrated in the Grand Paris project (3 out of 4 new metro lines will be there), and what's the point of hosting Olympics if it doesn't have an impact on the city's urbanisation. I'm 100% supporting this idea in the bid. But in 2008, the IOC clearly told to the Paris bid committee that they feared for the athletes as the Athletes Village was in Seine Saint-Denis (I read the evalution report). So they suggested that the Athletes Village should be relocated. That is also why the village was NOT in Seine Saint-Denis in their 2012 bid (though some major venues were). So I'm sure you can understand my struggling to understand what the IOC wants...

Yes, I'm a pessimist, cause I don't want to get disappointed if Paris doesn't get the 2024 Games. But I also understand why you guys think it's a clear frontrunner. I'm not being arrogant or obnoxious. I do think that it would be nice, after all those years, even decades, to finally have the SOW in France. Each of the 2024 are interesting. I don't hate Boston, Toronto, nor do I hate americans or canadians. I'd also hate for Hamburg, or Rome, or Budapest to win. It's just part of the competition. I'm simply a Paris supporter. And this whole negative attitude of mine is simply to avoid disappointment. That way I can only be positively surprised!

[FYI]

Agreed.....

Lmfao! This coming from the one who said all this just last month in the Rome thread:

Like making sure they don't scare off any future potential 'A lister' by turning down Paris a fourth time......

We are smart enough to not make any hints on that very touchy subject.

Nevertheless scaring off any future bidder will be the elephant in the room.......

They know it.

We know it.

And we know that they know that we know it........

Considering how we were treated last time, ie: playing by the rules and getting shafted for doing so, we can now afford to be smug......

The IOC is on the back foot. They can either commit suicide or......award 2024 to Paris!!

So, I would hardly get on JO's case for what he said here. Quite frankly, I think he's being treated unfairly & misunderstood here simply for trying to support his city. He could be a bit abrasive at times, but as far as some people telling him to "turn it down a few 'dozen' notches", is quite unwarranted. He really hasn't done anything that supporters of other cities haven't done themselves.

I'm not being arrogant or obnoxious. I do think that it would be nice, after all those years, even decades, to finally have the SOG in France. Each of the 2024 cities are interesting. I don't hate Boston, Toronto, nor do I hate americans or canadians. I'd also hate for Hamburg, or Rome, or Budapest to win. It's just part of the competition. I'm simply a Paris supporter. And this whole negative attitude of mine is simply to avoid disappointment. That way I can only be positively surprised!

I agree. I don't think you're being arrogant or obnoxious at all, like some here are incorrectly trying to portray you (especially over in the Toronto thread). If you're guilty of anything, it's being a pessimist (& I can't say that I really don't blame you). And when it comes to the other countries, you're simply pointing out the obvious aspects that would make Paris a clear favorite here. I know that you're one of always saying "it's time for something new".

Of all the countries on the list here (barring Hungary, since they won't win anyway. Unless we have another 2022 on our hands! Lol), France has gone far the longest without hosting the Summer Olympics. They've made the most attempts without success than any of the other cities thinking of running. Not to mention, it's Paris, for Pete's sake! None of those points are being arrogant, obnoxious or "Parisian arrogance". They're simply objective facts that anyone who clearly has an open mind about this can see.

And besides, it's something that anyone of other supporting cities try to do anyway. Is find their balance of where they can fit into all this. But only the ones that are truly neutral in this & have no vested interest in this game can see that Paris is the winner in all the categories in this cycle. And it's really the supporters from the other bidding cities that are the ones that are feeling "threatened" or "fearing" Paris bcuz underneath all of their clear partiality for their city, they know it's all true, & then they're actually the ones who feel like they need to go on the attack & try to make the argument & accuse the others of being arrogant & so forth (& really it's probably so they can "make themselves feel better", & try to put Paris "down" in the only way they think that they can), when none of their accusations hold no merit.

But anyway, perhaps you & Frenchy can take some pointers from one another & then meet somewhere in the middle. That way, we can all be happy here on GB's & get along! Or at least maybe in this thread! LOL! :-D :-P

[JO2024]

Thank you FYI, what I've been pointing out for a few months now basically is that Italy last last hosted SOG in 1960, Germany in 1972, Canada in 1976, the US in 1996, and France in 1924. Simply look at this, and you'll know exactly why I think Paris, France, should be awarded those 2024 Summer Games. This is no arrogance at all. Thanks guys for understanding. I'm just trying to be as much objective as I can, but of course I'm biased, I'm French, and I've been living in Paris for the last two years (and God only knows how much I love this city).

[JO2024]

And just to make myself and this bid clear. 1924-2024 is just pure coincidence. Paris has been trying to get SOG since 1992, so... Of course it would be reminded, probably in the OC, but only IF we get those Games. Atlanta got the centennial, Beijing will most likely be the first city to host both Summer and Winter Olympics (though I would definitely have prefered Munich to get this honour). So, yes, it would be nice for Paris to be the first city to host two SOG in a space of exactly 100 years. I'm sure you call all understand that.

[WarpedReality]

The long duration since the last French games is somewhat compelling. However, the Northeast United States is only a bit smaller than France in terms of population and land area, but it has NEVER hosted a Summer Olympics.

Regardless, Paris' bid has the superior technical aspects and Boston

and Boston's bid is about to be taken off life-support so that it may die with dignity.

[FYI]

It doesn't matter whatsoever that the northeast of the U.S. has never hosted a Summer Games. To the foreign POV, the U.S. has hosted many, many times no matter what. That aspect only helps in the domestic phase, but not when you're talking about 100+ picky, entitled individuals from all over the world (who are the ones who vote) who could care less that Boston is in a different part of the U.S. than Atlanta & Los Angeles.

Just like Americans never really pay attention, or care, about the minute differences in other regional parts of other countries. Madrid always tried making that argument, that "we're in a different part of Spain than Barcelona, culturally & geographically", but that didn't mean a damn thing in their favor.

In the Olympic history books, the U.S. has hosted the most Olympic Games than any other county on earth & that's not going to change anytime soon, either.

[JO2024]

Agreed. This is not about geographicals. The US is the US. Do you know how insanely close Paris is from London? And yet, England and France are two very separate countries. So London hosting in 2012 will not change a thing regarding Paris 2024.

[WarpedReality]

In my mind, London really ought to hamper Paris' chances because it is only a few hundred kilometers away. I know the Eurocentric IOC disagrees with me, but that doesn't make them right.

[FYI]

Seriously?! That's one of the most absurd things I've ever heard on these forums! That's like saying Montreal should've 'hampered' Boston's chances simply due to their proximity to one another. Yeah, I'd say that your handle is pretty much right on the money there.

*read on these forums.

[baron-pierreIV]

The long duration since the last French games is somewhat compelling. However, the Northeast United States is only a bit smaller than France in terms of population and land area, but it has NEVER hosted a Summer Olympics.

Regardless, Paris' bid has the superior technical aspects and Boston

and Boston's bid is about to be taken off life-support so that it may die with dignity.

Well, another way to look at it, if 2024 does indeed like it's Paris' to win -- then the IOC has reserved the '24 Centennial especially for Paris by denying all those earlier bids. And if I were Mike Lee, I would also include there that by 2020, there will FOUR 2x Summer host cities (and one of those being a 3x'er. So perhaps it's time to look at adding another 3x-er host??

In my mind, London really ought to hamper Paris' chances because it is only a few hundred kilometers away. I know the Eurocentric IOC disagrees with me, but that doesn't make them right.

Uhmm...PyeongChang - Tokyo - maybe Beijing again?? Really?

Edited July 27, 2015 by baron-pierreIV

[Rob2012]

The long duration since the last French games is somewhat compelling. However, the Northeast United States is only a bit smaller than France in terms of population and land area, but it has NEVER hosted a Summer Olympics.

In my mind, London really ought to hamper Paris' chances because it is only a few hundred kilometers away. I know the Eurocentric IOC disagrees with me, but that doesn't make them right.

LOL, you can't have it both ways fella!

The US as an enormous developed country has a larger pool of athletes to choose from and competes at the top of the medal table because of this. As an enormous developed country you'll also get to host more often than other countries (I don't expect another UK Olympics in my lifetime, for example but I expect two or three more US Games from the "Eurocentric" IOC).

But you are, nonethless, still ONE country.

Edited July 27, 2015 by Rob.