Rob2012 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) Am I the only one that doesn't think Coe is that charismatic? He's always struck me as quite cold and even abrasive. Sometimes yes. But he's a very good speaker and from London's POV obviously knew the ins and outs of the IOC very well. I doubt that's changed. I think any bid would benefit from his vast experience. Edited May 12, 2015 by Rob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningrings Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Sometimes yes. But he's a very good speaker and from London's POV obviously knew the ins and outs of the IOC very well. I doubt that's changed. I think any bid would benefit from his vast experience. You're right, and I have no doubt that he would have invaluable knowledge for Paris. My criticism was more levelled at how he's come across in the media a number of times. That said - is it clear yet how many of the Paris 2012 people are back for the 2024 bid? Might be better with a fresh crop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchy Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Am I the only one that doesn't think Coe is that charismatic? He's always struck me as quite cold and even abrasive. .....with a tendency to confuse his personnal finances with those of LOCOG! http://uk.reuters.com/article/2007/12/04/uk-britain-olympics-idUKL043165120071204 http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/sep/10/Olympics2012.politics http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/c4-defends-dispatches-from-attack-by-coe/121672.article as revealed by Channel Four's 'Dispatches' investigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Zidane was one of the key people in getting Qatar the World Cup. Maybe Paris 2024 should sign him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchy Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Zidane was one of the key people in getting Qatar the World Cup. Maybe Paris 2024 should sign him up. Problem is, he's a great footballer but a useless speaker! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted May 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) Yes. You're right. Seeing the Olympic flame burning in the Greek sky in a Calatrava designed cauldron would have been completely dull. It truly was. I mean he had designed the new roof so tight -- so what was left? A slender thing that would bend down (big deal) and be thin enough so that it didn't burn his ornate roof. It was sleek and economical and I wish so was their economy. Where else could they have placed it? Edited May 12, 2015 by baron-pierreIV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR2028 Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 It truly was. I mean he had designed the new roof so tight -- so what was left? A slender thing that would bend down (big deal) and be thin enough so that it didn't burn his ornate roof. It was sleek and economical and I wish so was their economy. Where else could they have placed it? Um...Athens stadium is the most beautiful thing ever and their ceremony was the best of any games before or since! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted May 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 (edited) Um...Athens stadium is the most beautiful thing ever and their ceremony was the best of any games before or since! Of course you mean.."favorite," not "best." There is NO Best - because each person has the one that's appealed to them. To me, it was a very cold and austere ceremony, which considering it took them more than a century to get them back -- where was the celebratory joy that should've pervaded the show? Where was the exultation? None. It was all one man's ego trip -- to show . . . oh look, see how good my designs are. And that whole Klepsydra segment wasn't entirely original: - He copied it from the celebration of the Persian empire at the Shah's 1971 party at Persepolis; and - they do this tableaux vivants every year at the Pageant of the Masters in Laguna Beach, CA since 1933 -- except he (Papaioannu) had them on platforms. So again, big deal. Edited May 16, 2015 by baron-pierreIV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryker Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 Came across this the other day. A very early concept of what a Paris Olympics might look like. I know some potential venues have been discussed such as Grand Palais for fencing and of course the Stade de France. What caught my attention was the Arena 92, the new stadium for Racing Metro, being used for gymnastics and weightlifting. To do so would require a retractable roof. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Racing Metro scrapped plans for the retractable roof based on rising costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamC Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 Arena 92 will have a fixed roof (like Georgia Dome), indeed to cut costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neige Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 Can't we put more than 2 venues in a big stadium like Arena92? I would say 3....half-stadium for gymnastics, quarter-stadium for weightlifting and another quarter-stadium for a third venue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neige Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 or 2 "bi"g events like gymnastics and handball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted May 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Can't we put more than 2 venues in a big stadium like Arena92? I would say 3....half-stadium for gymnastics, quarter-stadium for weightlifting and another quarter-stadium for a third venue. You can -- but for crowd, safety and emergency access reasons, the IOC doesn't like them too close together or even having competition times running simultaneously. The point is NOT to crowd too many people in one area at the same time -- thereby also reducing the attraction for would-be terrorists to hit one particular, unsecured place at one time with so many people waiting to be potential collateral damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hektor Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 (edited) Well if you theoretically add up the attendance for three such events you are far from the crowd of the Olympic Stadium or the football stadium so I am not really convinced. Curious they don't mention Charléty Stadium for instance for hockey. 20000 seats so it should be ok. Edited June 5, 2015 by hektor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamC Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 Charléty is a horrible place for all sports except Athletics, it's oval and the stands are far away from the pitch. + There's no space next to it for a second field (which Hockey needs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neige Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 Well if you theoretically add up the attendance for three such events you are far from the crowd of the Olympic Stadium or the football stadium so I am not really convinced. I aggree, it wouldn't make so much people The reason might be that it is needed a second gymnastics area for training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neige Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 Curious they don't mention Charléty Stadium for instance for hockey. 20000 seats so it should be ok. Charléty is a horrible place for all sports except Athletics, it's oval and the stands are far away from the pitch. + There's no space next to it for a second field (which Hockey needs) Why is a second field needed? It's curious because it is not needed for football or rugby... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neige Posted June 6, 2015 Report Share Posted June 6, 2015 I've checked in Tokyo 2020 venues table. 2 hockey fields are needed for the competition (2 matches at the same time). But do they need to be located at the same place? I aggree Charlety stadium is not the right place because the stands are very far. But why not Jean Bouin Stadium for the main hockey field? (20000 seats very closed to the field) And in that case, rugby could be located in the Olympic Stadium (2 days during the first week) like Tokyo 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted June 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2015 I've checked in Tokyo 2020 venues table. 2 hockey fields are needed for the competition (2 matches at the same time). But do they need to be located at the same place? I aggree Charlety stadium is not the right place because the stands are very far. But why not Jean Bouin Stadium for the main hockey field? (20000 seats very closed to the field) And in that case, rugby could be located in the Olympic Stadium (2 days during the first week) like Tokyo 2020. I believe field hockey uses artificial turf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neige Posted June 6, 2015 Report Share Posted June 6, 2015 I believe field hockey uses artificial turf. yes but it should be possible to set up a temporary artificial turf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamC Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 I've checked in Tokyo 2020 venues table. 2 hockey fields are needed for the competition (2 matches at the same time). But do they need to be located at the same place? I aggree Charlety stadium is not the right place because the stands are very far. But why not Jean Bouin Stadium for the main hockey field? (20000 seats very closed to the field) And in that case, rugby could be located in the Olympic Stadium (2 days during the first week) like Tokyo 2020. I don't know, maybe because it's more practical for everyone (the media covering the competition for example) I don't think having Rugby Sevens in the Stade de France is a good idea, it would be more challenging logistically to convert the stadium for Opening Ceremony mode to Rugby mode then to Track and Field mode (+ same problem of seats too far from the pitch if Rugby hosted at Stade de France in T&F mode) The current plan is to have Hockey in a purpose-built venue (probably temporary) in the North of Paris, close to the Olympic Village. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neige Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 I don't think having Rugby Sevens in the Stade de France is a good idea, it would be more challenging logistically to convert the stadium for Opening Ceremony mode to Rugby mode then to Track and Field mode (+ same problem of seats too far from the pitch if Rugby hosted at Stade de France in T&F mode) You may be right! Bellow, it is written it takes 80 hours to move from Rugby mode to Athletics mode.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stade_de_France#Stands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafa Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 Exciting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neige Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 I think Paris should quickly nail down Mike Lee before any other city does. Signing up Mike Lee on your side, immediately improves your chances 55%!! seems it's done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JO2024 Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Yep, Paris 2024 has recruted Mike Lee!!! http://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1028143/paris-turn-to-key-london-2012-figure-to-help-launch-olympic-bid-for-2024 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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