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The question should be how much would Paris be willing to spend on these things to get them sorted without the Games.

Security is of course the unavoidable black hole but if regeneration of St Denis is needed and planned anyway, and if the instrastrcuture plans had been mooted before the Olympic bid, then the Olympics should be seen as an incentive to push these things forward, not seen as the cause of unwanted spending.

Exactly. And the Olympics would undeniably offer job opportunities for many of the people in the north of the city, and perhaps bring the two halves of Paris closer together. Spending money to improve Paris' banlieus is exactly what France ought to be doing with government money. I think Paris would benefit even more from the Olympics than London did.

But even the advocates of a Parisian Olympics have to admit the Olympics are expensive even in the cities best suited for the games.

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Rendering of the Olympic stadium (stade de France) and the aquatic center. 

Because Baron.

If 2024 is too early, why would 2020 have fared any better, particularly coming off of Rio 2016? Add to that the revenue deal issues as FYI brought up and it wasn't the right time. If we're talking about an open door, that's the 2022 Olympics. Hindsight being 20/20, who knew that all the European cities would have dropped out, but that's the Olympics the USOC could have landed. Then they could have sat out 2024 and 2028 and by 2032, they'd be in pretty decent position to jump back into the fray, difficult as it is to land a Summer Olympics so soon after a Winter Olympics

look- you're right. I also didn't think about 2016 being in South America - back to back Americas was unlikely. Even so- Chicago, LA or Boston could have easily triumphed over Tokyo or Istanbul for 2020.

Still willing to bet that France, the U.S. and South Africa will have the SOG tied up between them up to 2032.

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The bidding process continues on its dynamic:

-Today the pre-bidding committee is meeting at CNOSF, with state, regional and Paris delegates and the olympic movement. They will talk about the governance of the bid (Etienne Thobois, a specialist in sport strategies, who collaborated with winning Tokyo 2020 committee, is apparently joining the leadership of the Parisian bid).

-Tomorrow, president François Hollande will visit the IOC museum in Lausanne and meet IOC president Thomas Bach, to talk about Paris bid. He will be accompanied by Tony Estanguet, IOC member, and CNOSF president Denis Masseglia.

Saw an interview with Bernard Lapasset (source here in french, sorry) when the journalist asks him "2016 isn't too late to do a consultation?" Lapasset answers "The consultation will begin in two weeks, when the plan, and the tools to do it will be at our disposal. We will meet every territories concerned: Paris, Ile de France, and coastal regions who want to host sailing sports."

That's it for now ;)

Oh I almost forgot that, the official bid announcement would probably be done just before IOC session in Kuala Lumpur, July 30-August 3.

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The bidding process continues on its dynamic:

-Today the pre-bidding committee is meeting at CNOSF, with state, regional and Paris delegates and the olympic movement. They will talk about the governance of the bid (Etienne Thobois, a specialist in sport strategies, who collaborated with winning Tokyo 2020 committee, is apparently joining the leadership of the Parisian bid).

-Tomorrow, president François Hollande will visit the IOC museum in Lausanne and meet IOC president Thomas Bach, to talk about Paris bid. He will be accompanied by Tony Estanguet, IOC member, and CNOSF president Denis Masseglia.

Saw an interview with Bernard Lapasset (source here in french, sorry) when the journalist asks him "2016 isn't too late to do a consultation?" Lapasset answers "The consultation will begin in two weeks, when the plan, and the tools to do it will be at our disposal. We will meet every territories concerned: Paris, Ile de France, and coastal regions who want to host sailing sports."

That's it for now ;)

Oh I almost forgot that, the official bid announcement would probably be done just before IOC session in Kuala Lumpur, July 30-August 3.

Is it true that Estanguet will be leading the bid? If so, that'd be one smart move!

Paris 2024 is clearly doing its homework...now if we Germans could do that...!

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Is it true that Estanguet will be leading the bid? If so, that'd be one smart move!

Paris 2024 is clearly doing its homework...now if we Germans could do that...!

Yes (except if big surprise) He is clearly the man leading the sport movement in this bid as triple olympic champion and IOC member. He became IOC member in this perspective, (it shows how long since this bid is prepared and not just spontaneous.. Annecy I see you).

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Tony Estanguet, as triple Olympic Chamion, the last being in London 2012, would be a perfect leader for Paris 2024, as a former Olympic Champion and an IOC member. I think the bid will be carried by both Bernard Lapasset and Tony Estanguet, which is great.

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Did Manuel Valls disclose today the future olympic park?

He launched today a consultation for a 1.7 million square meters project just near the stade de France.

http://www.leparisien.fr/seine-saint-denis-93/une-concertation-lancee-sur-le-central-park-de-la-courneuve-14-04-2015-4692487.php

Here is the map of the project:

http://www.lejdd.fr/JDD-Paris/Images/Un-Central-Park-a-la-francaise/Le-projet-Central-Park-du-Grand-Paris#highlight

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There are 4 options regarding the possible Athletes Village for Paris 2024 :

-Saint Denis Pleyel – very close to the Stade de France and possible Aquatic Centre, will be converted into student dorms after the Games.

-La Courneuve (Central Park project) – Will happen whether Paris get the Games or not. It’s very close to the Stade de France and will be quite an amazing setting. Converted into housing after the Games.

-Le Bourget – Don’t know much about this one, but it will be close to the Bourget Airport, possible Athletes and officials airport. A bit far from the rest of the venues though.

I’m not sure but The Central Park and le Bourget project might be the same…

-The former PSA-Peugeot area: It’s quite big, and it would be right in front of the Bourget Airport, a few metres from the Villepinte Exhibit Centre (possible venues for small indoor sports) and 5 minutes from the future Tremblay-en-France Coliseum. Also a bit far from the rest of the venues.

But with all the future metro lines, it will be well connected to the Stade de France and the rest of Paris. Also good connection to the Charles de Gaulle Airport.

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How do can I post a photo from my laptop? I'm having issues, since it seems I can only post photos from the internet...

You could always upload a picture from your laptop to a site like imageshack - and then post the link here!

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-Saint Denis Pleyel – very close to the Stade de France and possible Aquatic Centre, will be converted into student dorms after the Games.

I'd be interrested if you can explain more about Pleyel...

looking at the map I can't see where it is possivle to build an olympique village! + an aquatic center!

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You could always upload a picture from your laptop to a site like imageshack - and then post the link here!

Thanks for the tip plusbrilliantsexploits :D


I'd be interrested if you can explain more about Pleyel...

looking at the map I can't see where it is possivle to build an olympique village! + an aquatic center!

It is part of a poject, the Quartier Universitaire International:

http://www.grandparis-mipim.com/plaine-de-france-quigp/

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I find the idea to use Le Bourget very clever. Having an airport separated from regular traffic and dedicated to the athletes and to the Olympic family, and close to the Olympic Village, is a very attractive proposal.


Saint-Denis Pleyel will become a major transportation hub, with four subway lines converging there (14, 15, 16 and 17).

http://www.societedugrandparis.fr/gare/saint-denis-pleyel

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I find the idea to use Le Bourget very clever. Having an airport separated from regular traffic and dedicated to the athletes and to the Olympic family, and close to the Olympic Village, is a very attractive proposal.

Saint-Denis Pleyel will become a major transportation hub, with four subway lines converging there (14, 15, 16 and 17).

http://www.societedugrandparis.fr/gare/saint-denis-pleyel

Agreed. With all those future metro lines, Saint-Denis Pleyel would be 3 minutes from the Stade de France and less than 10 minutes from the Bourget Airport.

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There are 4 options regarding the possible Athletes Village for Paris 2024 :

-Saint Denis Pleyel – very close to the Stade de France and possible Aquatic Centre, will be converted into student dorms after the Games.

-La Courneuve (Central Park project) – Will happen whether Paris get the Games or not. It’s very close to the Stade de France and will be quite an amazing setting. Converted into housing after the Games.

-Le Bourget – Don’t know much about this one, but it will be close to the Bourget Airport, possible Athletes and officials airport. A bit far from the rest of the venues though.

I’m not sure but The Central Park and le Bourget project might be the same…

-The former PSA-Peugeot area: It’s quite big, and it would be right in front of the Bourget Airport, a few metres from the Villepinte Exhibit Centre (possible venues for small indoor sports) and 5 minutes from the future Tremblay-en-France Coliseum. Also a bit far from the rest of the venues.

But with all the future metro lines, it will be well connected to the Stade de France and the rest of Paris. Also good connection to the Charles de Gaulle Airport.

Thanks JO2024!

"Saint-Denis Pleyel" certainly has the best traffic connections but I still find it too small.

Concerning "le Bourget", I think you 're right when saying "The Central Park and le Bourget project might be the same"

It would be a huge olympic parc:

Le Bourget Airport could be a VIP airport

The exhibit center could be the Media Center

The Olympic village would be on the edge of the park (central park housing project)

All missing venues could be implemented either along the highway or inside the "La Courneuve Sport Park"

- aquatic center + waterpolo

- hockey

- all additionnal needed arenas

- shooting (there's a shooting club in the "La Courneuve Sport Park")

- and even Montain Bike, Marathon Swimming and Equestrian Sports in the central park

From my point of view, it would be really nice but I can see a potential problem: opponents to the central park housing project...

The "former Peugeot area" project may be safer. It could be a big Olympic parc including Peueot site + "parc du Sautet" + Villepinte exhibit center

In that case, it would be nice if the planed Tremblay arena could be implemented in the former Peugeot site... (not sure Tremblay concil would agree for that!)

And a RER station would also miss near the former peugeot site (the nearest station is in the middle of "parc du Sautet" but it's quite far)

(it is not planed for the time being in Grand paris Express map)

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Rob made an interesting point a while back that France doesn't have a referendum culture like other parts of Europe.

Well yes, to my knowledge of the French constitution, only the President is authorized to call a referendum anyway...not aware of the precise rules on consultative referendums on the municipal level, though.

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Roland Garros is usable as it is for Olympic Games. If Paris get the Games, it will be improved no matter what, though it's been a struggle lately. The IOC won't care much I think, they were happy with it back in 2005, so...

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Random question that's probably been asked already (I'm a bit too tired to go through 125 pages...), but what are the chances of this being derailed by referendum?

Paris mayor, Anne Hidalgo, stated that the Parisians would be "consulted". What form that consultation would take wasn't specified. It seems, nevertheless, that a full on referendum isn't on the cards......

Roland Garros is usable as it is for Olympic Games. If Paris get the Games, it will be improved no matter what, though it's been a struggle lately. The IOC won't care much I think, they were happy with it back in 2005, so...

Seconded....

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Rob made an interesting point a while back that France doesn't have a referendum culture like other parts of Europe.

Only revolutions and strikes where they put the heads of the fallen leaders on spikes!! ;)

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