George_D Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 http://2024 Olympics: Anne Hidalgo, Mayor of Paris: "Today, my heart is rather on Sport and Games» http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=fr&rurl=translate.google.fr&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http://sportetsociete.org/2015/02/10/jo-2024-anne-hidalgo-maire-de-paris-aujourdhui-mon-coeur-est-plutot-sur-le-sport-et-les-jeux/&usg=ALkJrhhpVCECssAMEF-1gcgaCcTNbJqIzA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarkSnow2012 Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 For some countries it seems difficult to purpose another bid than their own capital, like Japan, England, France or Italia for SoG. Boston it's a kind of Lyon or Marseille for me if I can compare. Boston is not the first city you think about USA but i'm sure it's good choice. European colonies (frequently very large indeed) grew in a very different way from European nations (mostly very small). Hence the multiple megacities in the USA, or even Sydney / Melbourne, very much contrasted with the clusters of smaller cities which are common in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulsa Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Sondage : 73 % des Français favorables aux JO-2024 à Parishttp://www.leparisien.fr/paris-75/so...15-4521311.php Strange pole. I'm curious to know how they ask the question. But it seems too optimistic. Moreover this pole arrives just 2 days before the report about the opportunity to bid for Paris. It look likes political manipulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 European colonies (frequently very large indeed) grew in a very different way from European nations (mostly very small). Hence the multiple megacities in the USA, or even Sydney / Melbourne, very much contrasted with the clusters of smaller cities which are common in Europe. Most of the large "newer" countries decided to put their political capital outside the largest cities. I have a hunch this prevented those largest cities form becoming the all-powerful super cities that dominate places like France and England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nacre Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) Most of the large "newer" countries decided to put their political capital outside the largest cities. I have a hunch this prevented those largest cities form becoming the all-powerful super cities that dominate places like France and England. Yes. In many cases this was intentional. IE US states capitols are usually their second to fifth biggest cities. Sacramento instead of San Francisco, Albany instead of New York, etc. And many of the larger new world countries built a model city for their capitol. Washington, Canberra, Brazil City, etc. The other issue is that the new world countries rarely had a royal court. (Brazil and Mexico being sometime exceptions.) So there was no need to live in the city of the king or queen in to benefit from royal patronage. However I still think Dom Pedro II was the best new world leader of all time. And Mexico would have been much better off if the Franco-Mexican war was resolved peacefully with Benito Juarez as Maximilan's prime minister. That's more than a bit off topic, though. What has caused the French government to change its mind on the topic of hosting? I wonder if the IOC has promised them some things behind closed doors. Edited February 10, 2015 by Nacre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamC Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 The French government was never again hosting, it was Paris's mayor who was reticent. She seems now more open to it (maybe that's pressure from the government, maybe that's her wanting to be more cooperative and show unity with Hollande after the tragic events of January, I don't know), still a long way to go though IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR2028 Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 The French government was never again hosting, it was Paris's mayor who was reticent. She seems now more open to it (maybe that's pressure from the government, maybe that's her wanting to be more cooperative and show unity with Hollande after the tragic events of January, I don't know), still a long way to go though IMO. I think I read somewhere that she is now leaning in favor of the bid. The only event I think playing a hand in all of this is the Charlie Hebdo attacks. Like the Boston Bombing, it is bringing the city closer together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarkSnow2012 Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 Most of the large "newer" countries decided to put their political capital outside the largest cities. I have a hunch this prevented those largest cities form becoming the all-powerful super cities that dominate places like France and England. I may have posted before that that's exactly how Londinium came to be created by the Romans in the middle of a marsh. What they didn't quite get right was "the Canberra thing"- creating a capital which most people outside politics barely notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony E Loves Architecture Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 Europe looks more likely to host 2024. Boston and Durban should wait until 2028. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryker Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 I thought Durban decided against bidding for 2024 electing instead to focus on the Commonwealth Games? If Paris is indeed going to bid, a field with Rome and either Hamburg or Berlin all but sets up a return to Europe in 2024, precisely why the U.S. should've passed on this round just like the Canadians did. I could see Boston being included in a four city shortlist and eliminated in the first round. As for a Paris bid, I raised this question a while back, but where would the Olympic Village be located. Isn't the land that was marked for the OV in their 2012 bid now developed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JO2024 Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 I'm pretty sure Paris will bid for the 2024 games, it's looking more and more positive. By 2024, a lot of infrastructures will be already built regardless the Olympics, and not much would be needed for the Games. The only issues right now is indeed about the Olympic Village, which will have to be close to the Olympic Stadium (stade de France most likely) and the Olympic swimming pool (probably where it was to be 2012, close the Stadium). There are a few options though, and I think it would be similar to what London did in 2012, transforming and old industrialised area. I am not sure there will be a proper Olympic Park like there were ever since the 1992 games, but I think that Agenda 2020 was made to accept non-compact games, and anyway most of the infrastures for the games would be within a 20km limit, so I suppose it's acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarkSnow2012 Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 I'm pretty sure Paris will bid for the 2024 games, it's looking more and more positive. By 2024, a lot of infrastructures will be already built regardless the Olympics, and not much would be needed for the Games. The only issues right now is indeed about the Olympic Village, which will have to be close to the Olympic Stadium (stade de France most likely) and the Olympic swimming pool (probably where it was to be 2012, close the Stadium). There are a few options though, and I think it would be similar to what London did in 2012, transforming and old industrialised area. I am not sure there will be a proper Olympic Park like there were ever since the 1992 games, but I think that Agenda 2020 was made to accept non-compact games, and anyway most of the infrastures for the games would be within a 20km limit, so I suppose it's acceptable. That is indeed a problem, since the Plaine St. Denis redevelopment (of which the Stade de France is a part) turned out to be a bit premature in Olympic terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JO2024 Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 That is indeed a problem, since the Plaine St. Denis redevelopment (of which the Stade de France is a part) turned out to be a bit premature in Olympic terms. And for the Paris 2008 bid which had planned the Athletes village to be in Saint Denis, where the Stade de France is, the IOC didn't like this idea and suggested Paris to put this village somewhere else. As of now, it's suggested that the Olympic Village could be either at la Coureneuve, close to the Stadium and Saint Denis, or at Colombes, where most of the infrastructures for the 1924 Games were. It would then be between the Northern cluster and the Western cluster, so it could be a good option I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulsa Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 I'm pretty sure Paris will bid for the 2024 games. I hope not. The mayor of Paris promised to stop public spending... If she says yes to Paris 2024, it will be a politic problem for her. Moreover when you have strong opposition in your team, it's very difficult to lead your team to the victory.In the French team some people thinks it's not the good moment to bid for Paris. About the public support Paris mayor should do a referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted February 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 The other issue is that the new world countries rarely had a royal court. Uhmmm, Hawaii had a royal family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JO2024 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 I read the summary of the feasibility report that was introduced today to Paris' mayor Anne Hidalgo and the press. It's obviously what we all pretty much expected, very very positive. The games would cost around 4.5 billion euros if you take out the 2 billion from the IOC. A vote within Paris council will be held in April. I think it will decide whether should bid or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOtherRob Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Interestng how quickly Paris' mayor seems to have changed her opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JO2024 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 I don't think she was actually against the Games, she was just being very cautious with the whole thing. Basically just making sure Paris could afford it and could win the bid! We don't want another Paris 2012. It's been 10 years but the wound hasn't healed quite yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulsa Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 I read the summary of the feasibility report that was introduced today to Paris' mayor Anne Hidalgo and the press. It's obviously what we all pretty much expected, very very positive. The games would cost around 4.5 billion euros if you take out the 2 billion from the IOC. A vote within Paris council will be held in April. I think it will decide whether should bid or not. I read too, it is too optimistic... The cost is utopian and isn't realistic. It's impossible to bid with 4,5 billions. Since 2000, No cities has spent less than 10 billions and every time during the application process they underestimated or they hid the real cost of SoG or WoG. You can find the summary here in French : http://www.lemonde.fr/jeux-olympiques/article/2015/02/12/jo-2024-a-paris-ce-que-dit-l-etude-dite-d-opportunite_4574763_1616891.html Another article in French : http://http://www.francetvinfo.fr/sports/jo/candidature-de-paris-aux-jo-2024-les-questions-qui-fachent_821879.html another in English : http://www.connectsports.com/blogs/is-the-cost-of-the-sochi-olympics-worth-it/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshi Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Allez Paris! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JO2024 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 I read too, it is too optimistic... The cost is utopian and isn't realistic. It's impossible to bid with 4,5 billions. Since 2000, No cities has spent less than 10 billions and every time during the application process they underestimated or they hid the real cost of SoG or WoG. You can find the summary here in French : http://www.lemonde.fr/jeux-olympiques/article/2015/02/12/jo-2024-a-paris-ce-que-dit-l-etude-dite-d-opportunite_4574763_1616891.html Another article in French : http://http://www.francetvinfo.fr/sports/jo/candidature-de-paris-aux-jo-2024-les-questions-qui-fachent_821879.html another in English : http://www.connectsports.com/blogs/is-the-cost-of-the-sochi-olympics-worth-it/ Tulsa, here's an article about why the Games always cost more than what was planned. It's interesting, and in French. Have a look. http://www.eurosport.fr/jeux-olympiques/jeux-olympiques-2024/2015/paris-2024-le-vrai-cout-des-jeux_sto4597550/story.shtml I agree that this is being very optimistic, but I also think it wouldn't cost more than 8 billion, since 1) the infrastructures are already there or will be by 2024, and 2) Transportation wise, the Grand Paris project will happen whether or not Paris get the Games, so its cost won't be considered part of the Games cost but it will considerably strenghten Paris' bid. The only major cost will be the Olympic Village, the media centers and an Olympic swimming pool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshi Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 We're not up against you, so the Entente applies fully - seriously, come on Paris. It's been much, much too long. How did that come up as a separate post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR2028 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Shove it Tulsa and stop being so bitter over 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamC Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Obviously recent Olympics have never costed les than $10bn but recent Olympics have never required so little infrastructure work. I can see the cost rising but not by much ultimately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JO2024 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Obviously recent Olympics have never costed les than $10bn but recent Olympics have never required so little infrastructure work. I can see the cost rising but not by much ultimately. Agreed, and I think that if Paris indeed bids, it could win because of that. "Cheap" Olympics could seduce the IOC in order to regain attractivness after the insane costs of the last Olympics (Winter or Summer). That's why I don't think Boston stands a chance, since it has to build pretty much everything and would cost a lot more than what they've planned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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