Paris 2024

[Tulsa]

Like Ofan said, Sochi is what scared off the masses. Think about all the European cities/countries that showed interest in bidding for 2022. Then they all start dropping out after they see the excesses from Sochi. PC had nothing to do with that, especially since a lot of their potential problems like the weather that you're mentioning and the lack of excitement for biathlon in 2009 wouldn't be issues in other European countries. They got scared off anyway.

PC like Sotchi waste too much money. Moreover all the ski resorts who will host event are already in bankrupt... PC is already a fail.

Back to Paris 2024, without bid from Paris.

[BR2028]

PC like Sotchi waste too much money. Moreover all the ski resorts who will host event are already in bankrupt... PC is already a fail.

Back to Paris 2024, without bid from Paris.

Stop being so butthurt about Annecy loosing.

You're like a French Baron, and Annecy is your Reno.

[baron-pierreIV]

Stop being so butthurt about Annecy loosing.

You're like a French Baron, and Annecy is your Reno.

Kinda stupid comparison, being Reno has never been an official candidate unlike Annecy. And I only backed Reno because its more beautiful component is Lake Tahoe. So shut your trap. You don't know what you're talking about.

[Tony E Loves Architecture]

Your momma's not right.

Don't bring my Mum or any other member of my Family into the argument. They are right.

[BR2028]

Don't bring my Mum or any other member of my Family into the argument. They are right.

Your moms face is right.

[FYI]

Because they haven't natural snow and they can't product artificial snow like in Sotchi. February in South Korea is the dry season, and the most part of the time they have lot of difficult to have artificial snow for their ski resorts. First point.

South Korea didn't host winter event like Alpin ski, Acrobatic ski (they try one time but it was cancelled because the track was too dangerous), Biathlon in 2009 was the biggest failed in the history of Biathlon... They have a big lack of knowledge about winter events.

Last one, South Korean doesn't care about this event, they won't have public fervor or supporter, excepted in short track and artistic skating.

I think the main problems will be the weather, without snow and without capacity to product it will be a failed. And the lack of knowledge about host winter sports event will be a problem for the show, maybe dangerous for actors.

Really here, nobody want to hear these problems because everybody thinks if you spend money you don't have problems...

I'm sure PC2018 will be a failed and a disaster for IOC. Why do you think nobody wants to bid for WoG in Europe ?

Annecy remains a better choice than PC. PC will be the biggest fail in the IOC history. Mark my words.

You just know everything, don't you. Sour grapes still? Talk about a SORE loser attitude! Truly illustrates your Olympic "spirit". You need to be part of the IOC's ExCo board so you can tell them just how "stupid" they really are!

Says the guy who uses memes from 2007

Lmfao!

Why the hell do we fight about every fucking thing on these forums...****, this isn't You-Tube.

Especially when the one 'fighting' likes to regular cite how much they "hate" Gamesbids bcuz of such petty squabbling. Oh the irony!

[Frenchy]

You just know everything, don't you. Sour grapes still? Talk about a SORE loser attitude! Truly illustrates your Olympic "spirit". You need to be part of the IOC's ExCo board so you can tell them just how "stupid" they really are!

Please note that I disassociate myself completely with my fellow countryman Tulsa's rantings over Annecy and PyeongChang.

Annecy 2018 was a non starter from the word go! Central government only went with it (or rather pretended to go with it) to placate local dignitaries and show the IOC , then, that they hadn't completely turned their back on an OG. I'm surprised btw that we even managed to scrape 7 votes!!

As I mentioned in previous posts, the accepted policy (to this day) is that there will never be a WOG in France until a SOG has been held in Paris. Tulsa needs to live with it.

Now back to the object of this thread, Paris 2024.........

[zekekelso]

What, you mean everyone in France doesn't think exactly alike. Sacre bleu!

Note - I have no idea what sacre bleu means.

[LatinXTC]

What, you mean everyone in France doesn't think exactly alike. Sacre bleu!

Note - I have no idea what sacre bleu means.

it's a fancy way of saying "holy s**t!"

It's literal translation is sacred blue.

[Tulsa]

You just know everything, don't you. Sour grapes still? Talk about a SORE loser attitude! Truly illustrates your Olympic "spirit". You need to be part of the IOC's ExCo board so you can tell them just how "stupid" they really are!

Are you kidding me ? Olympic spirit doesn't exist... If not Beijing, Sotchi or Peyongchang wouldn't have be the host of Olympic games... Everybody knows than Russia or Korea pay bribes to host WoG, it's a fact. How it could be possible if not ?

If you have a Olympic Spirit you shouldn't have scandale about cheaters like in Boxing or Rowing in the last summer games.

Moreover IOC choices are totally stupid. I chose Korea like exemple because it's the more recent stupid choice. Korea never hosted the main winter sports events and they are chosen for WoG ? Moreover they don't have snow in winter, isn't mad for WOG ? Lot of people here are stupid they think like IOC money is enough and we don't care about logic or respect.

It's for these reasons than Paris shouldn't bid and they won't. IOC doesn't care about "Olympic Spirit" they have only the "Money Spirit" nothing else.

French bids try every time with the Olympic Spirit because they think it's the good way to win... It's false.

[TorchbearerSydney]

But I am sure Sydney, London and Vancouver (just to name 3) bid with the Olympic Spirit at the heart of their bids- and they won. Sydney in particular was up against giants that were much more lucrative financially for the IOC, such as China and Germany.

So it is not so simple.

[DamC]

Pyeongchang won because the IOC wanted the Winter Olympics back in Asia, there's nothing scandalous about it.

Now Sochi that's another story

[baron-pierreIV]

Oh, it's Tulsa who needs his head examined.

[Mainad]

What, you mean everyone in France doesn't think exactly alike. Sacre bleu!

Note - I have no idea what sacre bleu means.

"The phrase originated from the swear words "sacré bleu", a Marian oath, referring to the color (i.e., "sacred blue") associated with Mary, mother of Jesus."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrebleu

[FYI]

Are you kidding me ? Olympic spirit doesn't exist... If not Beijing, Sotchi or Peyongchang wouldn't have be the host of Olympic games... Everybody knows than Russia or Korea pay bribes to host WoG, it's a fact. How it could be possible if not ?

If you have a Olympic Spirit you shouldn't have scandale about cheaters like in Boxing or Rowing in the last summer games.

Moreover IOC choices are totally stupid. I chose Korea like exemple because it's the more recent stupid choice. Korea never hosted the main winter sports events and they are chosen for WoG ? Moreover they don't have snow in winter, isn't mad for WOG ? Lot of people here are stupid they think like IOC money is enough and we don't care about logic or respect.

Yeah, I am totally kidding! I mean the rest of us here & the IOC are totally "stupid"! What the heck do we know when we have you onboard with your "knowledge"!

If the IOC is all about money & they have "no" Olympic spirit even before the election of PyeongChang, then why were you so vehemently on all our a$ses here, back in 2011 (if you knew the "truth" then about the IOC), when we were telling you that Annecy's chances were virtually nil. Why would then want a corrupt & spiritless organization in your hometown if that's truly the way you feel even BEFORE PyeongChang got elected?!

See, it doesn't make absolute sense other than utter hypocrisy & sour grapes on your part. If the IOC had chosen Annecy, you'd be harping a different tune now, despite the IOC's "total stupid choices" of Beijing & Sochi.

It's for these reasons than Paris shouldn't bid and they won't. IOC doesn't care about "Olympic Spirit" they have only the "Money Spirit" nothing else.

French bids try every time with the Olympic Spirit because they think it's the good way to win... It's false.

Right, until if/when Annecy were to ever decide to run again. Then you'd be telling us how wonderful the IOC is & how they'll make things right if they "choose" Annecy.

[Quaker2001]

It's for these reasons than Paris shouldn't bid and they won't. IOC doesn't care about "Olympic Spirit" they have only the "Money Spirit" nothing else.

French bids try every time with the Olympic Spirit because they think it's the good way to win... It's false.

Again, let's look at those 3 bids from Paris.

1992 - Maybe they should have won that one, but Samaranch pretty much rigged that race so Barcelona would win. They had every right to be upset with how that one played out.

2008 - So Paris comes back 16 years later and runs into Beijing. That one came following another European win with Athens. And Beijing had just narrowly missed winning the 2000 Olympics, so this one was theirs for the taking. We can talk all about human rights issues and pollution and all the reasons they shouldn't have won, and then they'll tell you how 1/5 of humanity lives in their country.

2012 - Again, this was as even a contest as you can get. London beats Paris by 4 votes. Any number of factors can be given that swung the last few votes on that one and made the difference. So yea, Paris lost, but who's to say their "Olympic Spirit" was better than that of London?

I get that it's frustrating to lose like that and it might discourage Paris from trying again. But the key to all 3 of those is that they went up against big competition. For them to bid in 2024, the competition doesn't seem as strong. There's no political pawn like Barcelona. There's probably no new frontier bid like Beijing (and even if South Africa bids, I'm not sure where I'd rate them). And there's no imperial London they have to go up against. Yes, it's possible they could bid and lose again. And like others in Europe, if they don't want to deal with the IOC's politics, it would be understandable for them to stay away. But if they are truly interested in hosting an Olympics, and I believe they are, they absolutely should bid in this cycle and I think they stand a very good chance at winning.

[ofan]

Again, let's look at those 3 bids from Paris.

1992 - Maybe they should have won that one, but Samaranch pretty much rigged that race so Barcelona would win. They had every right to be upset with how that one played out.

2008 - So Paris comes back 16 years later and runs into Beijing. That one came following another European win with Athens. And Beijing had just narrowly missed winning the 2000 Olympics, so this one was theirs for the taking. We can talk all about human rights issues and pollution and all the reasons they shouldn't have won, and then they'll tell you how 1/5 of humanity lives in their country.

2012 - Again, this was as even a contest as you can get. London beats Paris by 4 votes. Any number of factors can be given that swung the last few votes on that one and made the difference. So yea, Paris lost, but who's to say their "Olympic Spirit" was better than that of London?

I get that it's frustrating to lose like that and it might discourage Paris from trying again. But the key to all 3 of those is that they went up against big competition. For them to bid in 2024, the competition doesn't seem as strong. There's no political pawn like Barcelona. There's probably no new frontier bid like Beijing (and even if South Africa bids, I'm not sure where I'd rate them). And there's no imperial London they have to go up against. Yes, it's possible they could bid and lose again. And like others in Europe, if they don't want to deal with the IOC's politics, it would be understandable for them to stay away. But if they are truly interested in hosting an Olympics, and I believe they are, they absolutely should bid in this cycle and I think they stand a very good chance at winning.

Unfortunately for them, Berlin or Rome could play the exact same role that London did this time around.

[Quaker2001]

Unfortunately for them, Berlin or Rome could play the exact same role that London did this time around.

They could. Paris wouldn't be without stiff competition if those 2 were to bid, but I still like their chances up against Berlin/Rome than against the previous cities they lost against.

[FYI]

I wouldn't rate Rome as a big threat to Paris. Especially with their still lingering weak Italian economy. I'd put them along the same lines as Madrid. And Berlin, well if their local support is still drastically low, like it was for the their 2000 attempt, then I wouldn't rate them that high either. If it's still really low, that could sink it for them as well. So Paris could be sittin' pretty in a dynamics like those, not to mention all the other aspects that Quaker highlighted.

[Quaker2001]

I wouldn't rate Rome as a big threat to Paris. Especially with their still lingering weak Italian economy. I'd put them along the same lines as Madrid. And Berlin, well if their local support is still drastically low, like it was for the their 2000 attempt, then I wouldn't rate them that high either. If it's still really low, that could sink it for them as well. So Paris could be sittin' pretty in a dynamics like those, not to mention all the other aspects that Quaker highlighted.

Exactly. Rome and Berlin are obviously big name cities, but I don't know they'll be able to put up as strong a front as London 2012 offered. Obviously it goes without saying the Paris has to have their own affairs in order. If they do, I'd put them up against anyone.

[reindeer]

I get that it's frustrating to lose like that and it might discourage Paris from trying again. But the key to all 3 of those is that they went up against big competition. For them to bid in 2024, the competition doesn't seem as strong. There's no political pawn like Barcelona. There's probably no new frontier bid like Beijing (and even if South Africa bids, I'm not sure where I'd rate them). And there's no imperial London they have to go up against. Yes, it's possible they could bid and lose again. And like others in Europe, if they don't want to deal with the IOC's politics, it would be understandable for them to stay away. But if they are truly interested in hosting an Olympics, and I believe they are, they absolutely should bid in this cycle and I think they stand a very good chance at winning.

I've said this before but the French have picked the wrong battles before. Granted 2012 was a very close one and 1992 had the Samaranch influence but 2008 immediately after Athens and against Beijing looks foolish. Then again, I believe Paris could have got the Games in 1988 and 2020 easily if they had put forward a bid, maybe even 2000. Not all of them of course but one of those, although I am ready to admit that 1988 is a bit too much to ask for considering the state of the Olympic movement after what happened in 1976 to a French speaking city and the boycott of Moscow.

[reindeer]

I wouldn't rate Rome as a big threat to Paris. Especially with their still lingering weak Italian economy. I'd put them along the same lines as Madrid. And Berlin, well if their local support is still drastically low, like it was for the their 2000 attempt, then I wouldn't rate them that high either. If it's still really low, that could sink it for them as well. So Paris could be sittin' pretty in a dynamics like those, not to mention all the other aspects that Quaker highlighted.

I think also that Paris would run clear favorite against them but do the French again miss their luck by sitting out? Berlin looks politically unpopular both within the city and the rest of Germany and there is also the big possibility of Euro 2024 in Germany. Rome might be beautiful, historic and exotic, but even leaving aside the economy I am not sure if it is the right place to host a 21st century Olympic games. Rome is congested, chaotic and has a deficient public transport. It's simply not at the same level as cities such as Paris, London, Madrid or Berlin with their wide avenues and sophisticated infrastructures. Rome is like a third world city compared to them.

I haven't been a vocal supporter of Paris in the past but the idea of them hosting has began to grow on me when thinking about what the other options might be.

[FYI]

I've said this before but the French have picked the wrong battles before. Granted 2012 was a very close one and 1992 had the Samaranch influence but 2008 immediately after Athens and against Beijing looks foolish.

I don't believe any of those were "wrong battles", even 2008. I don't believe for a second that the French were that "foolish" to believe that they'd get 2008 with second time running favorite Beijing in the picture & Athens having 2004. I think that those "warm-up" bid scenarios could easily be used here. Thats why the French so readily came back for 2012, knowing full well they'd have the edge after their failed 2008 attempt. And thus packed it in after the 2012 loss & didn't go for 2016 (after London won), so unlike one of their 'foolish' neighbors.

[TheOtherRob]

Well, with 2012 London's bid was very uncertain until quite near the application deadline. I think (iirc), London was the last city to submit their application to the IOC. Paris had submitted their intention to bid months before.

[runningrings]

I've said this before but the French have picked the wrong battles before. Granted 2012 was a very close one and 1992 had the Samaranch influence but 2008 immediately after Athens and against Beijing looks foolish. Then again, I believe Paris could have got the Games in 1988 and 2020 easily if they had put forward a bid, maybe even 2000. Not all of them of course but one of those, although I am ready to admit that 1988 is a bit too much to ask for considering the state of the Olympic movement after what happened in 1976 to a French speaking city and the boycott of Moscow.

This is Paris' problem. A combination of four issues: picking the wrong battles (2008), being screwed over (1992), bad luck (2012) and oddly (for an Olympic eager city) not entering the races it quite possibly could have won (1988, 2000, maybe 2004, 2020)

I've got a book on Aust Olympic history and I a member recalls (Luxton I think) that the IOC had been seeking a Paris candidacy for one of the 70s editions (it got Lyon for 68) and that selection Montreal represented more than a Cold War breaker, but also a French consolation prize as Paris never eventuated for 1972 like they had wanted.

Well, with 2012 London's bid was very uncertain until quite near the application deadline. I think (iirc), London was the last city to submit their application to the IOC. Paris had submitted their intention to bid months before.

I remember roughly following the 2012 bid process and being quite surprised by London stepping up, even thinking how difficult it would be in such a complex city.