TheOtherRob Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 Paris syndrome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 It's a cultural difference maybe, but usually European Fans and moreover in latin countries like Spain, Italia, France are loudly. Maybe you should go more often in european sports events but it's an ordinary behavior from fans... But now SoG or WoG are less and less popular, and more and more reserved only for a chosen who don't have the habit to go in stadium or classic sport events. When I'm watching SoG or WoG on my TV the atmosphere is very quiet compare to classic sport events. We Americans can be raucous too, some of us very annoyingly so. However, there was an intensity and arrogance to the French fans that I haven't seen elsewhere, but my experience is limited. I did live in the UK for a couple of years and I have been to various international sporting events, but I don't remember any other fans being quite so full of themselves as the French. I am NOT saying that all French people are this way. Not at all. I'm just saying that based on personal experience, I wouldn't go out of my way to attend Olympics in Paris. Having lived in Paris for two years I can state with authority that Parisians are no colder or unpleasant than any other inhabitants of a very large European city. Obviously we had different experiences. But I would think that the experience of a tourist would more closely parallel an Olympic guest's experience than the experience of a long-term resident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reindeer Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 I would never say ALL Parisians are obnoxious and condescending, but the few I met were. I'm sure there are many delightful exceptions. I did attempt some French and I don't think I generally present myself as an uncultured, entitled American. I would never say ALL Parisians are obnoxious and condescending, but the few I met were. I'm sure there are many delightful exceptions. I did attempt some French and I don't think I generally present myself as an uncultured, entitled American. I was thinking more about the customer experience one could have as the service in Europe's big cities may seem cold and indifferent whereas the American style with overflowing niceties and smiles may seem a bit unauthentic to Europeans but it is just another cultural difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted April 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 I never have problems with snootiness in Paris whenever I go there. I don't let that ruin my trip. I enjoy Paris regardless... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.bernham Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 I would never say ALL Parisians are obnoxious and condescending, but the few I met were. I'm sure there are many delightful exceptions. I did attempt some French and I don't think I generally present myself as an uncultured, entitled American. The French fans I observed at kayaking and fencing in Athens were incredibly loud. They mocked other competitors and (figuratively speaking) beat their chests quite loudly when their own athletes performed well. They were by far the most "in your face" of all the fans I observed in Athens. I have never been to Japan, but I have friends who have been to Tokyo and they couldn't believe the prices -- and that was without temporary Olympic inflation. I was just in Hawaii and marveled at the huge number of Japanese tourists. The locals explained that they come to shop in Honolulu (and often to get married as well) because everything is 50-75% cheaper. Very true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 I have never been to Japan, but I have friends who have been to Tokyo and they couldn't believe the prices -- and that was without temporary Olympic inflation. I was just in Hawaii and marveled at the huge number of Japanese tourists. The locals explained that they come to shop in Honolulu (and often to get married as well) because everything is 50-75% cheaper. I think Japan still has trouble shaking its reputation from the bubble economy years of the 80s. I've found it's far from what it was. For example, I HATE shopping. But hubby lives to shop. We seem to go to Japan every few years, and the biggest attraction for him is that it's cheap. And as long as you're prepared to dine like the locals and not just go to the top restaurants in the top hotels, I agree, I find it quite reasonable these days. Or at least cheaper for us. The US is just so incredibly dirt cheap for us at the moment. Actually, I've been coming close to talking the other half into going to Canada for our next hols. Then people keep telling him that it's really expensive these days. Is that so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted April 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 Actually, I've been coming close to talking the other half into going to Canada for our next hols. Then people keep telling him that it's really expensive these days. Is that so? I hope not. Will be going to Toronto for 3 days in June. But then again, I'm staying with a cousin who will put me up and all I really want to see are Niagara Falls. Then I fly on to Chicago; do a few things and then catch the California Zephyr train ride back to the Bay Area from there. The US transcontinental rail ride is maybe half as expensive as the Canadian version...but the Canadian rockies (or at least where the train goes) might be more picturesque. Will find out in June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nacre Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Only if there was another city in France able to host them... Marseilles could be a good host. I think the issue is legacy rather than hosting ability. Marseilles doesn't need two big stadiums, but Paris does. Actually, I've been coming close to talking the other half into going to Canada for our next hols. Then people keep telling him that it's really expensive these days. Is that so? Shopping is a tad more expensive (because of the higher taxes in Canada) but some other stuff is cheaper. I don't think there's a big difference, to be honest. However you can have your cake and each it too, and pick two cities like Vancouver and Seattle or Montreal and Boston. The train from Vancouver to Seattle is a beautiful trip and customs seems easier to me than when driving. I haven't taken the train from Toronto to New York or Montreal to Boston, but I assume it's much the same, though a much longer trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulsa Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Marseilles could be a good host. I think the issue is legacy rather than hosting ability. Marseilles doesn't need two big stadiums, but Paris does. That's right Marseille doesn't need to have 2 stadiums, like Lyon too... Maybe a temporary stadium could be a good idea but SoG are too expensive for city like Marseille or Lyon. About another big stadium, Paris will get a new one before 2020 for rugby. FFR Stadium will have 85000 seats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchy Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 From another thread: http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/apr/23/world-cup-olympics-rio-de-janeiro-brazil-sensation-disaster These mega-events traumatise a complex modern city. They upset the rhythms of its politics and infrastructure investment. They clear thousands from their homes and virtually close down whole cities for a month. IOC plutocrats arrive like visiting princelings long accustomed to living at the expense of others. In London they demanded and got exclusive limousine lanes (including outside Harrods) and traffic lights switched to green as they drove to their venues. They block-booked luxury hotels and dumped unwanted rooms onto the market when it was too late for re-letting. Their sponsors demanded the removal of rival advertisements anywhere near the venues (even on toilet equipment). They expected some 40,000 security staff to be on hand, or four times the number of athletes, to protect “the Olympic family”. Even after shaking off past corruption scandals, the IOC is addicted to extravagance. The games nowadays float on national hyperbole and civic rivalry, festivals not of sport but of competitive mega-structures. The IOC requires each venue to meet meticulous specifications at whatever cost. The number of sports increases each time (currently 26 covering some 400 events), all craving their hour in the television spotlight. Some 95% of the budget of a modern Olympics goes not on sport but on steel, concrete, bricks and mortar, even in cities such as London with perfectly adequate facilities already. “Starchitects” propose ever wilder arenas that everyone knows will come in at double or treble their estimates. They absorb labour, energy, materials, land and effort which are then not available for urban investment elsewhere. The global scale of such evanescent spending over the decades must be staggering. Now do you undestand why we're not that keen to bid for the SOGs let alone host them! The ioc really do need to get their house in order...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony E Loves Architecture Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Marseilles could be a good host. I think the issue is legacy rather than hosting ability. Marseilles doesn't need two big stadiums, but Paris does. Shopping is a tad more expensive (because of the higher taxes in Canada) but some other stuff is cheaper. I don't think there's a big difference, to be honest. However you can have your cake and each it too, and pick two cities like Vancouver and Seattle or Montreal and Boston. The train from Vancouver to Seattle is a beautiful trip and customs seems easier to me than when driving. I haven't taken the train from Toronto to New York or Montreal to Boston, but I assume it's much the same, though a much longer trip. IMO, Marseille wouldn't Host a Summer Olympics. It would always be Paris for a Summer Olympics and Paralympics. Marseille would be a ideal Host for a future European Games. For Winter Olympics and Paralympics, maybe Nice, Annecy, Albertville or Grenoble? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woohooitsme83 Posted May 3, 2014 Report Share Posted May 3, 2014 Lessons of Annecy 2018 failure to be studied before Paris 2024 bid decision, says French Minister Friday, 02 May 2014 By Nick Butler French sports Minister Najat Vallaud-Belkacem has confirmed talks are ongoing over whether Paris will bid for the 2024 Olympics and Paralympics, but no decision will be taken until they have fully evaluated mistakes made during the Annecy 2018 campaign. Vallaud-Belkacem, who was appointed Minister for Women, Sports, Youth Affairs and Community Life in a cabinet reshuffle by new Prime Minister Manuel Valls last month, did not give a precise timetable on when a decision will be taken. "We are working on it," she told television station BFM. "I do not know if we will be a candidate but you will know more in a few months." The 36-year-old has vowed to draw on her experience as councillor of the city of Lyon since 2008, which meant she was involved in Annecy's unsuccessful bid for the 2018 Winter Olympics and Paralympics, in which the city finished third with just seven votes behind winners Pyeongchang, which won 63 votes, and Munich. "When I worked in the regional council in Lyon, I experienced the Annecy 2018 bid and I remember very well what it should not do. "Do not go head-on without having a project that is worn by all players in the sports world." It can be assumed from these words that the bid will only be launched if it is believed that enough figures from the French and wider sports world are in favour of the attempt. Among those to have expressed support for a bid has been International Olympic Committee President Thomas Bach, who encouraged a bid during a visit to the country last November to meet President François Hollande. But there have also been voices of dissent, including from the freshly appointed Mayor of Paris, Anne Hidalgo, who said during her campaign that she was currently not in favour of the bid and would change her mind only if certain conditions were met. This included a pledge that the cost of bidding would not be funded only by Parisian taxpayers. But Vallaud-Belkacem who, like Hidalgo, represents the Socialist Party, has also outlined the benefits of bidding for the Games, which will take place on the 100-year anniversary of the last time they were held in Paris, in 1924. "Organising a major sporting event, this is not a financial burden, but also investment, attractiveness and international reputation," she said. "And for the whole country, its cohesion." The race for the 2024 Games has already been marked by a number of contenders withdrawing due to economic and logistical concerns, including Mexico City, St Petersburg, Kazan and Toronto. Among those still considering bids are Rome, Berlin and up to six cities across the United States. Source: http://www.insidethegames.biz/olympics/summer-olympics/2024/1019804-lessons-of-annecy-2018-failure-to-be-studied-before-paris-2024-bid-decision-says-french-minister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted May 3, 2014 Report Share Posted May 3, 2014 I think what would be much more beneficial is for them to "study" the shortcomings of the Paris 2012 campaign than Annecy 2018. Annecy was always the outsider in the 2018 campaign. There's not much to figure out there. France was the only country out of Germany & South Korea that had hosted the Winter Olympics most recent & multiple times at that. The Summer Olympics would seem to be much more within their grasp. They lost 2012 by only four votes. Paris wouldn't have hosted for a century come 2024. Their case would be by far much more compelling than Annecy ever could've been for 2018. Look at the positives from the 2012 campaign & start building from there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofan Posted May 3, 2014 Report Share Posted May 3, 2014 I can do a study right now: don't bid with Annecy. Simple as that. Now let's move on to Paris.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted May 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2014 I think what would be much more beneficial is for them to "study" the shortcomings of the Paris 2012 campaign than Annecy 2018. Lesson #1 - Don't let a 36-year old lead the bid. < Same as Lesson #10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotosy Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Paris to launch feasibility study into potential bid for 2024 Olympics and Paralympics October has been identified as the crucial month in deciding whether or not Paris will bid for the 2024 Olympics and Paralympics, the President of the French National Olympic and Sports Committee (CNOSF) has predicted. Denis Masseglia has revealed that a feasibility study is due to be launched next week into whether Paris should bid again following three unsuccessful attempts to bring the Games back to the French capital for the first time since 1924. The results of the study are due to be announced in October and, if that is positive, the CNOSF plan to launch a campaign to ensure the public support it. ... full article http://www.insidethegames.biz/olympics/summer-olympics/2024/1020224-paris-to-launch-feasibility-study-into-potential-bid-for-2024-olympics-and-paralympics 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Lesson #1 - Don't let a 36-year old lead the bid. < You want to hang out with a bunch of decrepid old men, knock yourself out. Me? I'm more than following a 36-year old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woohooitsme83 Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Rowing boss Rolland and tennis star Mauresmo among 200 figures involved in Paris 2024 feasibility study A feasibility study featuring 12 Working Groups compiled of 200 figures from across French society has been unveiled today to consider whether a proposed Paris bid for the 2024 Summer Olympic and Paralympic Games should go ahead. The Groups, unveiled by the French Committee of International Sport (CFSI) President Bernard Lapasset, will study all aspects of the potential bid over the next four months before submitting a decision to political leaders later this year. In particular, there will be a focus on meeting the needs of France, and on how to best encourage International Olympic Committee (IOC) members to vote for Paris. The members consist of figures from a wide variety of backgrounds, including former athletes, Federation Presidents, and representatives of industry, business and civil society, with Sports Minister Najat Vallaud-Belkacem one notable participant.Also included are three prominent sporting females, consisting of the three-time Olympic champion sprinter Marie-Jose Perec, the two-time Grand Slam winning tennis player Amelie Mauresmo and the double gold medal-winning fencer Laura Flessel. Martin Fourcade, who won two biathlon gold medals for France at Sochi 2014, and the four-time European table tennis champion Jean-Philippe Gatien are among the male participants, along with Athens 1997 world 400m hurdles champion Stéphane Diagana. Also included are several sporting administrators such as the President-elect of the International Rowing Federation, Jean-Christophe Rolland and the race director of the Tour de France, Christian Prudhomme. Slalom canoeist turned IOC member Tony Estanguet is also included as an effort is made to discover the opinion of IOC members first hand. "We do not want to rush to announce the nomination, we must first organise a strategy," announced Bernard Lapasset, who is also President of the International Rugby Board. "The first step, therefore, is reflection. "The Working Groups will meet three times between June 16 and September 14, with the first two occasions taking place before July 14. "Their proposals will be reviewed in September, for a final decision of the study expected at the end of the year." Although Lapasset insisted "the athletes are at the heart of the process", the final decision, expected in the summer of 2015, will be made by political leaders. But there will also be a public consultation conducted in parallel to the feasibility study, via a dedicated website which will open on June 16 with the aim of gaining ideas and innovations from the general public. Given the fact the 2024 contest is likely to consist of a powerful United States bid, strengthened by the signing of a contract between the IOC and broadcaster NBC Universal, there is a realisation that there is no room for error if a successful bid is to be launched. Paris last hosted the Olympic Games in 1924, and has failed with bids to host the 1992, 2008 and, most recently, 2012 editions, where they finished runners-up to London despite being favourites for much of the preceding contest. The French city of Annecy also lodged an unsuccessful bid for the 2018 Winter Olympics, in which the city finished third with just seven votes behind winners Pyeongchang, which won 63 votes, and Munich. While a recent poll of French companies found 83 per cent were in favour of Paris 2024, other polls have been less positive, and assessing public reaction is another key aim of the feasibility study. The withdrawal of Kraków from the 2022 Olympic race following a failed referendum in the Polish city yesterday, along with the problems faced by Oslo in their bid, is a further indication of the economic pitfalls facing all European bids. The race for the 2024 Games has already been marked by a number of contenders withdrawing due to economic and logistical concerns, including Mexico City, St Petersburg, Kazan and Toronto. Among those still considering bids are up to six cities across the United States, along with Rome, Berlin and Hamburg. Source: http://www.insidethegames.biz/olympics/summer-olympics/2024/1020307-rowing-boss-rolland-and-tennis-star-mauresmo-among-200-figures-involved-in-paris-2024-feasibility-study 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningrings Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Bring it on. I can see their equivalent of the Glastonbury Tor being a giant tiered cake that Antoinette emerges from. I imagine a Paris Olympics would draw a huge crowd from London too, having the Olympics come back so close only 12 years later would be a great experience. Just a couple of hours down the line from Stratford! Hell, put a few events there if things get tight. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Just a couple of hours down the line from Stratford! Hell, put a few events there if things get tight. Oh, I know who'd love that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchy Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Sorry to put a dampener on all your - justified - anticipations but this sentence stood out like a sore thumb: "But there will also be a public consultation conducted in parallel to the feasibility study, via a dedicated website which will open on June 16 with the aim of gaining ideas and innovations from the general public." Considering the fact that any potential bid will be politically steered by the present government and in view of recent election results, I'm not sure the French taxpayer is going to rush in and vote for a resounding 'Oui'!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexjc Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Sorry to put a dampener on all your - justified - anticipations but this sentence stood out like a sore thumb: "But there will also be a public consultation conducted in parallel to the feasibility study, via a dedicated website which will open on June 16 with the aim of gaining ideas and innovations from the general public." Considering the fact that any potential bid will be politically steered by the present government and in view of recent election results, I'm not sure the French taxpayer is going to rush in and vote for a resounding 'Oui'!! True...and France is well known for it's passion when it comes to spending money...as much as we all want Paris to host, in the end it's up to them, not us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOtherRob Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Bring it on. I can see their equivalent of the Glastonbury Tor being a giant tiered cake that Antoinette emerges from. I imagine a Paris Olympics would draw a huge crowd from London too, having the Olympics come back so close only 12 years later would be a great experience. Might have to pencil it in for my 40th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOtherRob Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 (edited) Paris' new Mayor Anne Hidalgo has cast a large question mark over whether the French capital will bid for the 2024 Olympics and Paralympics by refusing to publicly endorse it, claiming it is low on her list of priorities. Hidalgo, a member of the Socialist Party who took office last month, claimed she will wait until a feasibility study launched earlier this week is completed before deciding whether or not to back the campaign. But she did not sound enthusiastic. "I didn't promote this project during my campaign," said Hidalgo, the first woman to be Mayor of Paris. "Parisians expect me to provide housing, public services, justice, economic ease." She made her comments during a visit to the United States where she appeared alongside New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, who earlier this week had ruled out a bid from his city for the 2024 Olympics and Paralympics. "I love sports, I love sports competitions, I know what it can bring to a society and a city in terms of dreams and energy," said Hidalgo. "But today we are all under financial and budgetary restraints that do not make it possible for me to say I support such a candidacy." ... "I will make my stance known once this work is completed," said Hidalgo. http://www.insidethegames.biz/olympics/summer-olympics/2024/1020428-paris-mayor-unenthusiastic-about-bid-for-2024-olympics-and-paralympics Edited May 31, 2014 by Rob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchy Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 http://www.insidethegames.biz/olympics/summer-olympics/2024/1020428-paris-mayor-unenthusiastic-about-bid-for-2024-olympics-and-paralympics Anne Hidalgo is Bertrand Delanoë's protégé. He was the previous Paris mayor. She owes him everything and it's thanks to him that she got elected. So much so that she arranged for him to keep a private office in the town hall in spite of the fact that he has officially retired. Bertrand Delanoë also is the one who led the Paris 2012 bid. Needless to say the ioc, who betrayed her mentor, is not very high in her esteem!! I've got a feeling that not only will she do nothing to facilitate a 2024 bid but will probably do everything to sabotage it. But then again that's just my opinion....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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