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Rendering of the Olympic stadium (stade de France) and the aquatic center. 

Because Baron.

Touche. (Don't know how I can get the accent aigue on mon keyboard.)

That's what I said...Aigue!!

That's why we don't bother with accents in anglais.

One of my first directives on assuming the Presidency of France will be to get eliminate all the ACCENTS & make French a phonetically correct language -- egalite pour tout! That will definitely vault France into the top 3 rank of the world.

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To be fair, only a minority like hektor, who doesn't live here btw, think of France as he does.

The rest of us are quite proud of our country in spite of some of her failings.

As for doing good, I agree that organising a SOG would have been quite uplifting.

That's precisely why we bid in 2005 for 2012.

Unfortunately the ioc preferred playing politics and Russian roulette rather than giving the games to the only city who was genuinely passionate about its bid.

That was then.

This is now.

Today everyone here believes that the present political, economic and social climate isn't conducive to a successful bid for 2024.

Too bad........

Bitter much?

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Paris certainly doesn't need the Games, but I think Paris clearly wanted them more than New York and were more bruised by their defeat in 2012. I don't actually remember many New Yorkers being too fussed about the 2012 result, but Paris was built up as a great favourite, invested a lot emotionally in them, and funnily enough (I don't know if you remember this Athensfan) their presentation actually concluded with the words "Paris NEEDS the Games".

Maybe Paris' attitude is closer to New York's now though. Maybe they've moved on and won't look back - and I wouldn't blame them necessarily but like Mainad would think it a shame. But if they're not bothered about landing the Games now it's because they've been spurned when they DID really want to host, not because they were never that bothered in the first place. There's the difference between NYC and Paris.

Paris wants the games! They want to reach the stars, ooh!

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Paris certainly doesn't need the Games, but I think Paris clearly wanted them more than New York and were more bruised by their defeat in 2012. I don't actually remember many New Yorkers being too fussed about the 2012 result, but Paris was built up as a great favourite, invested a lot emotionally in them, and funnily enough (I don't know if you remember this Athensfan) their presentation actually concluded with the words "Paris NEEDS the Games".

Maybe Paris' attitude is closer to New York's now though. Maybe they've moved on and won't look back - and I wouldn't blame them necessarily but like Mainad would think it a shame. But if they're not bothered about landing the Games now it's because they've been spurned when they DID really want to host, not because they were never that bothered in the first place. There's the difference between NYC and Paris.

That's probably one of the most perspicacious vision I've read of the current situation of Paris.

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To be fair, only a minority like hektor, who doesn't live here btw, think of France as he does.

The rest of us are quite proud of our country in spite of some of her failings.

As for doing good, I agree that organising a SOG would have been quite uplifting.

That's precisely why we bid in 2005 for 2012.

Unfortunately the ioc preferred playing politics and Russian roulette rather than giving the games to the only city who was genuinely passionate about its bid.

That was then.

This is now.

Today everyone here believes that the present political, economic and social climate isn't conducive to a successful bid for 2024.

Too bad........

Agree with everything you say. Except for one thing; London showed a great young and generational impetus that showed them too were passionate. If France started to trust young people more instead of pre-retired technocrats wanting to remain with each other, lots of progress would be made...

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Agree with everything you say. Except for one thing; London showed a great young and generational impetus that showed them too were passionate. If France started to trust young people more instead of pre-retired technocrats wanting to remain with each other, lots of progress would be made...

Ah. The old « énarchie » debate!

Bit of a chestnut, non?

Then again, you may be right.

But it’s not what lost us the 2012 bid.

If you have time to spare (or waste! :D ) you might want to read the following books:

http://www.amazon.fr/Jeux-perdus-Paris-2012-g%C3%A2ch%C3%A9/dp/2213628491

http://www.amazon.fr/JO-2012-Paris-perdu-Comment/dp/2748309456

http://www.amazon.fr/Malheureux-aux-jeux-lorganisation-Olympiques/dp/2916400001

I agree with your other post elsewhere, this ‘Paris 2024’ debate is slowly turning into an obsession for some.....

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I agree that Paris would be hesitant, especially given how their 1992 and 2012 bids ended up. In fact- I think the Paris 1992 bid was the worst. It really was one of few Olympic bids that can genuinely claim that it was robbed. I think everyone around this time in Olympic history gets distracted by the controversy of the 1996 bid- but 1992 was so much more ridiculous and unfair. (Even though BCN hosted a magificent games)

As hard as it is to admit as an Australian, I've always felt that 2000 was another big missed opportunity for Paris. I understand that Albertville was probably a big distraction, but I think Paris could have most certainly knocked Beijing and Sydney aside and hosted an iconic Millennium Games.

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Well I am in the Netherlands, so I don't think I am so far from France (300 km) that I can't judge the situation. I watch French television, I read French newspaper and I still have a lot of friends in France. And I am in France twice a month.

But to give an example. My specialty is astronautics: no perspective in France with the downscaling of the space sector. And when I moved from France to the Netherlands, my salary went up 100%. If I had been specialized in carving stones in gothic cathedrals or restoring XVIIIth century paintings or writing history books about French Occupation by Germany I think i would have had a better time finding work in France. So yes museum country.

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Well I am in the Netherlands, so I don't think I am so far from France (300 km) that I can't judge the situation. I watch French television, I read French newspaper and I still have a lot of friends in France. And I am in France twice a month.

But to give an example. My specialty is astronautics: no perspective in France with the downscaling of the space sector. And when I moved from France to the Netherlands, my salary went up 100%. If I had been specialized in carving stones in gothic cathedrals or restoring XVIIIth century paintings or writing history books about French Occupation by Germany I think i would have had a better time finding work in France. So yes museum country.

Hi hektor,

Gothic cathedrals and 18th century paintings are precisely what bring visitors to France in droves. Not astronautics. Anyway, last time I looked Kourou was in France not Holland.

May I suggest you try reading this book. It's a bit dated but still topical:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sixty-Million-Frenchmen-Cant-Wrong/dp/1861057156

I’ll stop there because we both run the risk of seriously going off topic….. :)

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I think the Paris 1992 bid was the worst.

Where did you get this info? If it was "the worst," then why did the Spaniards and El Jefe resort to desperate tactics to box Paris in...and give out Albertville earlier? From all the sources out there, Paris 1992 had the Catalans running scared and sh*tting in their pants -- hence the results were manipulated the way they came to be.

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Where did you get this info? If it was "the worst," then why did the Spaniards and El Jefe resort to desperate tactics to box Paris in...and give out Albertville earlier? From all the sources out there, Paris 1992 had the Catalans running scared and sh*tting in their pants -- hence the results were manipulated the way they came to be.

Do you often have difficulties in reading comprehension?

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If not, then you should at least try to finish reading the whole message.

In fact- I think the Paris 1992 bid was the worst. It really was one of few Olympic bids that can genuinely claim that it was robbed. I think everyone around this time in Olympic history gets distracted by the controversy of the 1996 bid- but 1992 was so much more ridiculous and unfair.

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Where did you get this info? If it was "the worst," then why did the Spaniards and El Jefe resort to desperate tactics to box Paris in...and give out Albertville earlier? From all the sources out there, Paris 1992 had the Catalans running scared and sh*tting in their pants -- hence the results were manipulated the way they came to be.

You really, really need to stop taking comments out of context and going on a tangent about the said edited comment.

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Where did you get this info? If it was "the worst," then why did the Spaniards and El Jefe resort to desperate tactics to box Paris in...and give out Albertville earlier? From all the sources out there, Paris 1992 had the Catalans running scared and sh*tting in their pants -- hence the results were manipulated the way they came to be.

Baron I usually enjoy your posts, but this one was way out of context.

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You really, really need to stop taking comments out of context and going on a tangent about the said edited comment.

I stopped as soon as you said that "...the Paris 1992 bid was the worst." Why should one continue?? You already scrambled the reader's mind...so why should I waste my time if what follows is more gibberish. U're fairly literate. Say it right the first time.

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I stopped as soon as you said that "...the Paris 1992 bid was the worst." Why should one continue?? You already scrambled the reader's mind...so why should I waste my time if what follows is more gibberish. U're fairly literate. Say it right the first time.

The issue here is your inability or refusal to attempt to understand how a word is operating within a sentence. I'm not going into battle over syntax choices.

You're creating mountains out of molehills.

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If not, then you should at least try to finish reading the whole message.

Ooh. SNAP!

Baron goes down again...

Not that he'll ever admit it.

I stopped as soon as you said that "...the Paris 1992 bid was the worst." Why should one continue?? You already scrambled the reader's mind...so why should I waste my time if what follows is more gibberish. U're fairly literate. Say it right the first time.

He obviously meant Paris '92 was the worst and most painful, undeserved loss. It's totally clear in context. You just didn't read it and now you're trying to blame runningrings for your mistake.

Everybody makes mistakes. I misinterpret things. Why is it so hard for you to admit you're wrong? It's not a big deal.

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