stryker Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 Didn't realize the new national rugby stadium was that far out. Still it's be a brand new state-of-the-art venue with a roof. WIth the emphasis on utilizing existing venues, I would like to think it could be included in a Paris bid. I don't about transportation links outside of the Paris Metro, but is there a line that goes to Evry or perhaps one could be built? If the IOC wants Paris bad enough, I could see that distance being overlooked, then again in a crowded field, it could be a hindrance. As for a new downtown arena in Paris as mentioned, could Paris realistically support two indoor arenas or after a Paris Olympics, would it be time to demolish Bercy? I don't think you'll have to worry about Doha, or Dubai, or any other Arab nation in the Middle East hosting. With the 2022 World Cup fiasco along with the human rights violations involving the workers, I doubt the IOC goes near anyone of those countries. At some point, I do think a member of the Arab world will host an Olympics (I always thought it would be Egypt and it would be my first choice. It's a shame of what has happened with Egypt over the past few years), but if I had to guess my bet would be Morocco but not for a while, or at least not until South Africa hosts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony E Loves Architecture Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 Didn't realize the new national rugby stadium was that far out. Still it's be a brand new state-of-the-art venue with a roof. WIth the emphasis on utilizing existing venues, I would like to think it could be included in a Paris bid. I don't about transportation links outside of the Paris Metro, but is there a line that goes to Evry or perhaps one could be built? If the IOC wants Paris bad enough, I could see that distance being overlooked, then again in a crowded field, it could be a hindrance. As for a new downtown arena in Paris as mentioned, could Paris realistically support two indoor arenas or after a Paris Olympics, would it be time to demolish Bercy? I don't think you'll have to worry about Doha, or Dubai, or any other Arab nation in the Middle East hosting. With the 2022 World Cup fiasco along with the human rights violations involving the workers, I doubt the IOC goes near anyone of those countries. At some point, I do think a member of the Arab world will host an Olympics (I always thought it would be Egypt and it would be my first choice. It's a shame of what has happened with Egypt over the past few years), but if I had to guess my bet would be Morocco but not for a while, or at least not until South Africa hosts. My prediction is that Dubai, United Arab Emirates will be the first Arab Host. As for the two indoor arenas, if Paris doesn't need two Indoor Arenas, they can make one of them Temporary for the Games, like we did here in London, England, the Basketball Arena was Temporary and the Copper Box (Handball Arena) is permanent, not to mention other Arenas like The 02, Wembley Arena and The Excel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger87 Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 Nah, Dubai is even hotter that Doha at the time of the Summer Olympics, and if we use the same criticism from Qatar, UAE has the same perrogative. Morocco can be the ultimate Arab country and that's still a big "IF" especially with the bad precedent from African countries and some Arab members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.bernham Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 Nah, Dubai is even hotter that Doha at the time of the Summer Olympics, and if we use the same criticism from Qatar, UAE has the same perrogative. Morocco can be the ultimate Arab country and that's still a big "IF" especially with the bad precedent from African countries and some Arab members. Well Morocco sounds exotic, your right though that entire region and area just has a bad reputation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony E Loves Architecture Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 Nah, Dubai is even hotter that Doha at the time of the Summer Olympics, and if we use the same criticism from Qatar, UAE has the same perrogative. Morocco can be the ultimate Arab country and that's still a big "IF" especially with the bad precedent from African countries and some Arab members. Maybe Casablanca? They are building a 80,000 Seater, State of the art 'Olympic Stadium' to prepare for a future Bid, maybe for 2028? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 Is this the Paris 2024 thread or the Panarab Games 2028 thread? Seriously...with so much volatility (to put it mildly) in Northern Africa currently, an Olympic bid - or even hosting - surely is not high on anyone's agenda, in the IOC or the current governments there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 Morocco is as "exotic" as Algeria or Tunisia. I swear, it makes me totally laugh when some people squawk about South Africa hosting but then bring up Morroco, a country with less than half the GDP that of South Africa. Seriously, the only viable & truly exotic option in the Muslim world is Istanbul. A much more secular & cosmopolitan city with a growing economy that could give the Olympics the great ambiance of a new frontier. But these other notions that some are just throwing around are nothing more than a mere fantasy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted March 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 For Tony, it's like playing darts. He'll blurt out the cities that have OBVIOUSLY been left out by the more seasoned pros here, hoping he will have engendered some discussion w/ cities that wouldn't even be at the starting gate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 For Tony, it's like playing darts. He'll blurt out the cities that have OBVIOUSLY been left out by the more seasoned pros here, hoping he will have engendered some discussion w/ cities that wouldn't even be at the starting gate. To be fair, several other people brought up Morocco before Tony did. So this one isn't really on him. Back to topic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchy Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 (...)Back to topic Anne Hidalgo, whom the polls see as winning the next mayoral election in Paris, has publicly stated that she was, “at this moment in time”, “not really” in favour of an Olympic bid. She added that it was not for the Paris ratepayer to meet the costs of the games and that she first needed to be given financial guarantees. However, she concluded, if the bid does go ahead, she would be happy to work with the bidding team: (in French) http://www.leparisien.fr/paris-75/video-jo-2024-hidalgo-pas-favorable-aujourd-hui-a-la-candidature-de-paris-04-03-2014-3642131.php http://paris-ile-de-france.france3.fr/2014/03/05/jo-2024-hidalgo-pas-vraiment-favorable-une-candidature-de-paris-427023.html An online poll run by a French daily gave the following results which need no translation! : http://www.leparisien.fr/sports/souhaitez-vous-que-la-france-soit-candidate-a-l-organisation-des-jeux-olympiques-de-2024-03-03-2014-3639953.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 You want a sub-Saharan African host city? A Muslim host city? Why not Lagos. I'd take them over many of the African cities mentioned, or anything in Azerberjian. As for why bring this up in the Paris thread.... because this is the competition, and it highlights how well prepared Paris is. We are debating whether or not Paris might end up with an extra arena it doesn't really need. Compare that to the sitution is Durban, etc. Not in the same ballpark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamC Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Didn't realize the new national rugby stadium was that far out. Still it's be a brand new state-of-the-art venue with a roof. WIth the emphasis on utilizing existing venues, I would like to think it could be included in a Paris bid. I don't about transportation links outside of the Paris Metro, but is there a line that goes to Evry or perhaps one could be built? If the IOC wants Paris bad enough, I could see that distance being overlooked, then again in a crowded field, it could be a hindrance. As for a new downtown arena in Paris as mentioned, could Paris realistically support two indoor arenas or after a Paris Olympics, would it be time to demolish Bercy? re: The Evry stadium. There is a Rer D station nearby (20 minutes by walk) and a light rail line linking it to the nearest high speed train station is gonna be built. It's not perfect IMO, but it's better than nothing. I think it's not ideal, it will probably put the stadium at at least 45 minutes from the center of Paris: re: The new arena. There is a need for a new arena in Paris, not a big 20,000 seat arena but somewhere in the 12,000-14,000 range, yes.It doesn't have to replace Bercy, just like Wembley Arena and The O2 complement each other in London. This arena would be the home of PSG Handball (in desperate need of a new, larger home), and QSI could buy the Paris Levallois (there has been a lot of talk going on for the past year) and bring them under the PSG umbrella to turn them into a big Euroleague team. They'll need an arena to do that. The Paris area also has Nanterre, a team that played the Euroleague for the first time this season and had to play their games in old Hall Carpentier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger87 Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Maybe Casablanca? They are building a 80,000 Seater, State of the art 'Olympic Stadium' to prepare for a future Bid, maybe for 2028? Still the city needs more development to create a proper bid. My suggestion to Morocco was related to Dubai, but yes, those countries won't happen in near future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger87 Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Forget Nigeria. The country is close of a civil war between north and south with the recent attacks and Lagos is a chaotic city with no real infrastructure. Even with all the money from the oil, the stability of the country is fragile. You want a sub-Saharan African host city? A Muslim host city? Why not Lagos. I'd take them over many of the African cities mentioned, or anything in Azerberjian. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 This site is so hysterical sometimes, particularly some of it's posters. It's absolutely amazing to me that the same people that balk about South Africa's "negatives" are sometimes the very same ones that would rally for a place like Nigeria, as far as an African Olympics is concerned. A country that has a mere fraction of GDP per capita that of South Africa, which also doesn't have the basic sanitation services for nearly half of it's people (like suitable drinking water), a crumbling education system, crime, a low life-expentancy rate, HIV, very little mass-transit (other than buses for now), no real atmosphere, no real multi-sport hosting experience, very little Olympic tradition (Nigeria didn't even medal at London 2012), but yet somehow, in some very strange & bizarre way they'd be a better pick than South Africa. Maybe in another world. Sounds to me that Nigeria has MANY other problems to take care of first before ever contemplating an Olympic bid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony E Loves Architecture Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 This site is so hysterical sometimes, particularly some of it's posters. It's absolutely amazing to me that the same people that balk about South Africa's "negatives" are sometimes the very same ones that would rally for a place like Nigeria, as far as an African Olympics is concerned. A country that has a mere fraction of GDP per capita that of South Africa, which also doesn't have the basic sanitation services for nearly half of it's people (like suitable drinking water), a crumbling education system, crime, a low life-expentancy rate, HIV, very little mass-transit (other than buses for now), no real atmosphere, no real multi-sport hosting experience, very little Olympic tradition (Nigeria didn't even medal at London 2012), but yet somehow, in some very strange & bizarre way they'd be a better pick than South Africa. Maybe in another world. Sounds to me that Nigeria has MANY other problems to take care of first before ever contemplating an Olympic bid. Maybe Nigeria should consider Bidding for the 2022 Commonwealth Games with Abuja, with their new sports facilities and seeing as though there is very low interest in the 2022 Commonwealth Games, this might be Abuja's opportunity. Although, I can see South Africa putting in a last minute Bid. Anyway, back to the Paris 2024 topic. Paris will definitley be a front runner and if Rome doesn't Bid, I'm supporting Paris 2024's Bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usa2024olympics Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Anne Hidalgo, whom the polls see as winning the next mayoral election in Paris, has publicly stated that she was, at this moment in time, not really in favour of an Olympic bid. She added that it was not for the Paris ratepayer to meet the costs of the games and that she first needed to be given financial guarantees. However, she concluded, if the bid does go ahead, she would be happy to work with the bidding team: (in French) http://www.leparisien.fr/paris-75/video-jo-2024-hidalgo-pas-favorable-aujourd-hui-a-la-candidature-de-paris-04-03-2014-3642131.php http://paris-ile-de-france.france3.fr/2014/03/05/jo-2024-hidalgo-pas-vraiment-favorable-une-candidature-de-paris-427023.html An online poll run by a French daily gave the following results which need no translation! : http://www.leparisien.fr/sports/souhaitez-vous-que-la-france-soit-candidate-a-l-organisation-des-jeux-olympiques-de-2024-03-03-2014-3639953.php Wow I didn't realize that many people were against a Parisian bid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 which also doesn't have the basic sanitation services for nearly half of it's people (like suitable drinking water), a crumbling education system, crime, a low life-expentancy rate, HIV, very little mass-transit (other than buses for now),... Sounds to me that Nigeria has MANY other problems to take care of first before ever contemplating an Olympic bid. So close to grasping the point... On the one hand, we have countries that have trouble keeping their citizens alive. On the other hand.. Paris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissO Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Wow I didn't realize that many people were against a Parisian bid This was an online poll, so with no real statistics process... A few days before L'Equipe & IPSOS made a real poll which only gave 51.9% in favor of a Paris 2024 bid ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.bernham Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 This was an online poll, so with no real statistics process... A few days before L'Equipe & IPSOS made a real poll which only gave 51.9% in favor of a Paris 2024 bid ! Since the 2012 US elections I have learned that polls are just a bunch of BS that can comfort or upset us...unless were talking about Germany or Crimea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOtherRob Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Or unless you're Nate Silver... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Since the 2012 US elections I have learned that polls are just a bunch of BS that can comfort or upset us...unless were talking about Germany or Crimea. Actually, the polls were pretty much dead on. It was the people who didn't like what they were saying and trying to unskew them that caused the trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.bernham Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Actually, the polls were pretty much dead on. It was the people who didn't like what they were saying and trying to unskew them that caused the trouble. Those polls claimed Romney would win, as we saw that night - he didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Those polls claimed Romney would win, as we saw that night - he didn't. No, the polls overwhelming showed an easy Obama victory. The polls were so accurate Nate Silver was able to use them to not only predict Obama as an easy winner, but to get every single state (50 out of 50) correct. Those inside the "fox bubble" were shileded from all the accurate polls, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony E Loves Architecture Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 No, the polls overwhelming showed an easy Obama victory. The polls were so accurate Nate Silver was able to use them to not only predict Obama as an easy winner, but to get every single state (50 out of 50) correct. Those inside the "fox bubble" were shileded from all the accurate polls, however. I thought America had 52 States? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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