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You'd probably be better off asking someone like @JO2024 or @Pure facts about how much flexibility Paris has.

But I will say this. LA is somewhat behind Paris in this respect (even though it did host back in 84). Paris has gone through all of this, twice, this Millennium. Tweaks such as those LA are making now are not unusual at this stage of the bidding process after discussions with IFs and the IOC, discussions Paris would've already had twice over. London, for example, made several changes at this stage, equestrian and shooting being the main two (although, as a point of contrast to LA, we were asked to move sports from existing venues further out to temporary venues closer to the main Olympic clusters!).

Does Paris need 'options' given that the IFs were happy with their last bid which scored very highly in the IOC's evaluation report? Will there really have been much discussion about changing things up? I doubt it. (I just had a look at the 2012 Evaluation Report, and it seems the only real qualm back in 2005 when it was published was lack of accommodation close enough to the rowing venue...something I'm sure would've been taken into account by Paris this time around).

 

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The only potential large facility not currently included is the new French National Rugby Stadium at Ris-Orangis proposed to have a 82,000 seat capacity and sliding pitch/roof option

However it is nowhere near any other facility close by currently proposed ... it is 20miles south of the Expo Centre and the AccorHotels Arena ... however it could hold several sports under the same roof and maybe be a Football venue, with the Parc des Princes used for Rugby7s if they wanted a larger capacity

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Good point. I guess they could include it in the bid as a possible venue. According to the thread on SSC it's due to open 2021, though with this venue I'll only believe it when we start seeing spades in the ground. If this gets the go ahead soon, we could have an LA bid and a Paris bid with two truly astonishing soon-to-be-built venues in Inglewood and Ris-Organgis that they're not quite sure what to do with. Amazing situation to be in!

I guess it'd make sense for both to be proposed venues for the football finals, as Wembley was in 2012, though weirdly neither will have that as their primary sport outside of the Olympics.

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19 minutes ago, Rob. said:

Good point. I guess they could include it in the bid as a possible venue. According to the thread on SSC it's due to open 2021, though with this venue I'll only believe it when we start seeing spades in the ground. If this gets the go ahead soon, we could have an LA bid and a Paris bid with two truly astonishing soon-to-be-built venues in Inglewood and Ris-Organgis that they're not quite sure what to do with. Amazing situation to be in!

I guess it'd make sense for both to be proposed venues for the football finals, as Wembley was in 2012, though weirdly neither will have that as their primary sport outside of the Olympics.

Another possible venue which I note has not been used is the Stade Sebastian Charlety in the 13th arrondissement.

At the moment Paris 2024 have no listed venue for Baseball/Softball that I can find. If this sport is there in 2024 (it is back for 2020), then this stadium might be used due to it's oval shape result from incorporating a Running Track. For football, it has 20,000 seats

There is also a small arena with a capacity of 1850 which is probably too small for anything

 

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3 hours ago, Rob. said:

But I will say this. LA is somewhat behind Paris in this respect (even though it did host back in 84). Paris has gone through all of this, twice, this Millennium. Tweaks such as those LA are making now are not unusual at this stage of the bidding process after discussions with IFs and the IOC, discussions Paris would've already had twice over. London, for example, made several changes at this stage, equestrian and shooting being the main two (although, as a point of contrast to LA, we were asked to move sports from existing venues further out to temporary venues closer to the main Olympic clusters!).

Does Paris need 'options' given that the IFs were happy with their last bid which scored very highly in the IOC's evaluation report? Will there really have been much discussion about changing things up? I doubt it. (I just had a look at the 2012 Evaluation Report, and it seems the only real qualm back in 2005 when it was published was lack of accommodation close enough to the rowing venue...something I'm sure would've been taken into account by Paris this time around).

What I find interesting, to say the least, is that for someone who claims that they've "been following up in this bid city process for a long time", that the would've already known a lot of the answer to their question to begin with, & not just with Paris specifically, but with any bid city then.

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15 minutes ago, gromit said:

Another possible venue which I note has not been used is the Stade Sebastian Charlety in the 13th arrondissement.

At the moment Paris 2024 have no listed venue for Baseball/Softball that I can find. If this sport is there in 2024 (it is back for 2020), then this stadium might be used due to it's oval shape result from incorporating a Running Track. For football, it has 20,000 seats

Interesting, though baseball's inclusion is at the moment only for 2020:

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Today’s vote was the culmination of a two-year process that began with the unanimous approval of the IOC’s strategic roadmap in 2014. The recommendation to give Organising Committees the flexibility to propose new sports for their edition of the Games was intended to put even more focus on innovation, flexibility and youth in the development Olympic programme.

Tokyo 2020, the first Organising Committee able to take advantage of the change, submitted its proposal for the five new sports to the IOC in September 2015.

The additional sports in Tokyo will not impact the athlete or event quotas of existing Olympic sports or be binding on future host cities.

https://www.olympic.org/news/ioc-approves-five-new-sports-for-olympic-games-tokyo-2020

The 2024 host city will be able to choose their own additional sports (or not, if they don't want to).

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Japan chose to add baseball because it is the most popular sport in the country, they already have the stadiums for it and they will almost certainly win gold or silver. There's no need for Paris to find a baseball stadium because it will not be included for 2024 unless Los Angeles wins.

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What an Eiffel: Paris approves proposal for nudist park

Paris could set up a park for nudists as early as next summer, in a possible first for a capital city, in a country that is the world’s top destination for clothes-free leisure lovers.

Paris lawmakers voted late on Monday to approve a proposal by ecologists to set up the zone, possibly in one of two major wooded areas on the edge of the city.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/26/what-an-eiffel-paris-approves-proposal-for-nudist-park?CMP=twt_gu

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15 minutes ago, Rob. said:

What an Eiffel: Paris approves proposal for nudist park

Paris could set up a park for nudists as early as next summer, in a possible first for a capital city, in a country that is the world’s top destination for clothes-free leisure lovers.

Paris lawmakers voted late on Monday to approve a proposal by ecologists to set up the zone, possibly in one of two major wooded areas on the edge of the city.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/26/what-an-eiffel-paris-approves-proposal-for-nudist-park?CMP=twt_gu

Good to see Paris invoking the spirit of the original Olympics where all the competitors, of course, were nudists! ;)

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1 hour ago, zekekelso said:

Not sure how this works in France, but my experience is that people who like to be nude in public are not the people you want to see nude. .

Probably true in France as well. When I went to Lloret De Mar in Spain 4 years ago I went sunbathing one day and a few women were bold and took their tops off to give their sagging tits some color. This wasn't a nudist beach, or a private one. The women just whipped them out like nothing and no one said a word. And the topless women weren't remotely attractive.

Hell in San Francisco the ones who made the biggest stink about nudity laws going away were uglyass creepy looking guys who have no business taking their clothes off for anyone. 

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Hmmm. I don't mind myself from going au natural at a nudist beach now and then. I find it mixed - you get a lot of pretty toned muscle Mary's wanting to show off their attractions - especially if they're cruising. But also a more than a good dollop of sights you wish you could un-see again.

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Here are a few information regarding existing and planned public transport in Paris and the Greater Paris' area:

Public transport network in Paris region

"Grand Paris Express" : the new Paris transport infrastructure supporting Paris long-term urban develoment plans

A few highlights:

  • The existing public transport system currently transports 8.5 millions people a day
  • All competition venues within Paris region are served by public transport with:
  •       the "Paris Centre Zone", home to 12 competition venues, the Olympic Family hotel, 2 live sites, is served by 13 train lines, 16 metro lines and 2 tram lines
  •       the "Grand Paris Zone", home to 6 competition venues, the Olympic Village, IBC/MPC will be served by 2 train lines, 5 metro lines (2 existing, 3 under construction / expension) with a capacity of 130,000.00 people per hour
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IOC president 'impressed' by Paris 2024 bid

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/ioc-olympics-paris-2024-1.3788076

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French President Francois Hollande treated IOC President Thomas Bach with a special gift: an Olympic flag from the 1924 Olympic games that were held in Paris.

In addition to the vintage present, Hollande also had a special message for Bach: "This Olympic flag dates back to nearly a century. It will be a century old when Paris will host the Games in 2024."

Paris, which has not hosted the Olympics since those Games, is competing against Budapest, Rome and Los Angeles. The International Olympic Committee will choose the host city in September.

After meeting with French athletes and Paris bid leaders during a two-day visit in the French capital, Bach met Hollande at the Elysee Palace on Sunday to discuss the bid.

He told Hollande he was "impressed" by the Paris dossier and the strong support the bid is enjoying.

"The Paris bid is a very, very strong bid because of the unity and the large support it is sparking off," Bach said. "Personally, I'm very impressed by the unity among both the sporting and political worlds."

Bach insisted the strong support among the general population was a key asset to the Paris bid.

"This has not always been the case with the previous French bids," he said.

Paris failed in bids for the 1992, 2008, and 2012 Games and France also decided not to bid for 2020 after Annecy was humiliated in the race for the 2018 Winter Games.

This time, bid officials have made sure their project is backed by the government, the Paris city hall, and enjoys a strong level of public support.

The Paris bid is also in line with the IOC's Agenda 2020, a set of recommendations encouraging bidding cities to promote maximizing the use of existing facilities and infrastructure to save money.

More than 70 percent of the proposed venues in the Paris bid are existing facilities, with a further 25 percent being temporary structures. The main construction requirements for the bid include an aquatics center close to the Stade de France, a new indoor arena in the southern Bercy neighborhood, the Olympic village and media center. Paris officials are also promising there won't be any white elephants and that 100 percent of the venues will have a real legacy.

"Your project is excellent and is in line with the Agenda 2020," said Bach.

Despite the security threats in France, Hollande repeated that Paris has the experience needed to organize and protect major events if it gets the Games, citing the soccer European Championships France hosted last summer as an example.

More than 200 people have died in France in the last 20 months in several terror attacks.

"I have no idea how the world will look like in 2024, but it will necessarily be dangerous," Hollande said. "There is not a single country, or capital, that might think it will be immune. We have been confronted by this reality for a while, but we have what it takes to protect an event like the 2024 Olympics."

Bach, who attended a soccer game between refugees and French athletes at the end of his visit, said security is a top priority for the IOC.

"We have to face challenges, but these challenges are not restricted to one particular city, or to one particular country," he said. "Unfortunately, we are living in a world where all big events and normal citizens have to live with this threat of terrorism. This is true for every country in the world. What is important is to see how countries are dealing with this challenge. And France has shown with the recent organization of the Euro (European Championship) that they can deal with security challenges." Next week, Bach is expected to meet Italian officials, who still hope the Rome bid can be revived despite opposition from the city council, which voted in favor of scrapping the bid after Mayor Virginia Raggi rejected the candidacy.

 

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Le Monde, one of the main opponents to the Paris 2024 Games publishes another article about the Games today.

Their strategy is astute : based on the withdrawal of Rome, they suggest a new bid approach which they know is not acceptable for the IOC (spreading the Games throughout Europe).

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I've just read the second bidbook:

http://paris2024.org/medias/presse/bidbook_2_digital_anglais_cmjn_hd.pdf

It can be noticed a few changes (it can be seen in table 22 at the end of the file):

  • weightlifting is no more at Arena 92. It is at Zenith.

It means there is now 1 sport only (Gymnastics) in Arena 92 (Arena 92 is a 30000 seats rugby stadium with a roof).

Maybe they want to increase the capacity for gymnastics (17500 in the first bidbook)?

  • boxing is no more at Zenith. It is now at Roland Garros!

Suzan Lenglen court will be used. It is the second biggest court (10000 seats). It implies that a roof is needed (this is not planed in the current Roland Garros renewal project).

http://www.nouveaurolandgarros.com/english-version

  • There is now a second arena for basketball at Stade Pierre de Coubertin

Stade Pierre de Coubertin is an old 4000 seats arena. It is planed 7.4 M$ for its renovation in the bidbook.

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Paris ranked world leader in public transport
10/15/16
Press release – Friday October 14th, 2016

The New York-based Institute for Transportation and Development Policy has
published a ranking showing that amongst large cities, Paris has the best
public transport links in the world. This exceptional network will be reinforced
throughout Greater Paris by 2024.

All Parisians, no matter what arrondissement they live or work in, are close to some form of fast
public transport: metro, tram, etc. This fact has propelled Paris to first place in the ranking by the
Institute for Transportation and Development Policy (ITDP).

This renowned organisation specialised in public transport evaluated the 26 most densely
populated cities in the world. It looked at the number of inhabitants living less than 1km away
from a fast frequent network with nearby stops. The French capital was the only one to achieve a
rate of 100%, compared with, for example, 77% in New York and only 17% in Brasilia.

This exceptional network will be reinforced on a wider scale, as well as the frequency and
efficiency of public transport, as part of the development of Greater Paris, by 2024. Many metro
and tram lines extensions are planned, in particular the Grand Paris Express and an Olympic
rapid transit line. The Parisian bus network will also be improved in order to accommodate recent
demographic changes and to make travelling from peripheral districts to the suburbs easier.

This exceptional network will greatly benefit from Paris’ bid to host the 2024 Olympics. It has the
advantage of being compact, with 22 sports sites within a 10 km radius of the Olympic Village.
This will provide a unique experience for delegations, 85% of athletes will be accommodated less
than 30 minutes from their competition site, and spectators will be able to travel between the
various competition sites in just a few minutes, whether by public transport, bike, or on foot.

Around the Rings

 

 

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On 10/15/2016 at 3:34 AM, neige said:
 
 

How will they secure a Village intersected by the Seine?  

Will they stop all river traffic?  

Will they place grates underwater to screen out underwater terrorists?  

If the IOC rejected NYC 2012's plan of ferrying the athletes from the Queenside Village to the Manhattan Athletics stadium by water, how will this be different?  

Or will the 2 sides of the Village be fully armed camps, independent of each other, so that traffic on the Seine will continue to flow unimpeded?  

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There's no problem with an island athletes village. Tokyo 2024 will have one. 

I believe the issue with Governor's Island is the lack of an evacuation plan since it only had ferry service. Tokyo and Paris have road access as well. 

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48 minutes ago, zekekelso said:

There's no problem with an island athletes village. Tokyo 2024 will have one. 

I believe the issue with Governor's Island is the lack of an evacuation plan since it only had ferry service. Tokyo and Paris have road access as well. 

 
 
 

Oh I see, part of it is on that island.  So they can block off the part that bisects the Village physically; and let river commerce just flow on the other side. 

BTW, NYC's plan was NOT on Governor's Island.  It was part of a parcel in Queens that was close to the Silvercup Studios in Astoria.   

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