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8 hours ago, JesseSaenz said:

I mean the US is a dumpster fire right now, politically, but for the time being, at least, LA is not rioting nor is it up in flames.... nor has support for the games diminished.

Maybe a swap would be on the table? LA 24 Paris 28?

 

It would not be Paris 2028 that will be dead in the water we could see Los Angeles USA 2024 - Jakarta Indonesia 2028 Jakarta was an outstanding back up host for the 2018 Asian Games they could easy put on and be the back up host for the 2028 Summer Olympic and Paralympics Games, By then Jakarta would have a good railway system, The Current President of Indonesia is very likely to get re-elected before Easter and if 2024 games are moved to Los Angeles he could try to get the 2028 Summer Games to Indonesia. 

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5 hours ago, Olympianfan said:

It would not be Paris 2028 that will be dead in the water we could see Los Angeles USA 2024 - Jakarta Indonesia 2028 Jakarta was an outstanding back up host for the 2018 Asian Games they could easy put on and be the back up host for the 2028 Summer Olympic and Paralympics Games, By then Jakarta would have a good railway system, The Current President of Indonesia is very likely to get re-elected before Easter and if 2024 games are moved to Los Angeles he could try to get the 2028 Summer Games to Indonesia. 

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No.. not a thing we could see.  There is no scenario that winds up with Jakarta hosting the 2028 Olympics.  How would that thought even cross your mind?  That's really stupid.

I get that this is an internet forum where hot takes are encouraged, but maybe let's not be so damn reactionary to tweet as if it's "OMG, a political candidate has an agenda.. let's all run for the hills and entertain ideas of cancelling the Olympics!"  This community looks foolish when we think like that.

More than that.. the word referendum is nothing more than a bogeyman.  Can't just throw that word out there and have it mean anything without some sort of basis behind it.  It's overly simplistic to say "but Denver did it."  Yea they did, but a specific question was put to vote.  It was a fairly trivial amount of funding that did the Denver Olympics in, but the question the citizens of Colorado were voting on wasn't "should Denver tell the IOC to go screw themselves."  And that was in the 1970s.  Imagine how that would play out now.

If there is any notion of a referendum on the Olympics for Paris, it needs to be well thought out and with specific purpose.  Take a lesson from Brexit.  Officials in the UK put it to their citizens a question that never should have been asked and now the resulting fallout is a complete and utter shitshow because it wasn't thought out.  Paris was awarded the Olympics 2 years ago.  What is the basis that all of a sudden that's no longer acceptable?  Where were the naysayers for the past 2 years?  

Every Olympics has opposition.  Every.  Last.  One.  Paris is not unique in that regard.  The only difference is that some people think they can throw around the R word and scare citizens into following their whims.  Not a smart move.  Let's not come up with stupid ideas to address 1 innocuous political candidate's tweet just so we have something to talk about here.  Be smarter than that.

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On 4/4/2019 at 5:37 PM, FYI said:

^Oh my, & where have we heard that you-know-who cockamamie idea before?! Anything to have L.A. wind up with the 2024 Games afterall, huh. :rolleyes:

And opposition to an L.A. Games has already begun, it’s just not really pronounced ATM cuz the 2028 Games are still almost a decade away (so most are clueless or don’t care for now).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/psmag.com/.amp/economics/meet-the-grassroots-organizers-trying-to-keep-the-olympics-out-of-los-angeles

Like they say, be careful what you wish for. Switch the order around & let’s see if a NO-LAOlympics group won’t get off to a really good start.

 

NOlympicsLA has been around for some time now, even when LA was still in the bidding process. They haven't gain much momentum, even now in 2019 long after the games were awarded. They are with the Democratic Socialist group and most of their attacks are on social media. They aren't too organized either.

The opposition that LA has is tiny compared to what Paris is now dealing with.

Financially, LA's plan always the more prudent. Again, anything can happen here, but the city is in a much better spot right now than Paris.... by a lot.


There's also this report about it's booming economy.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-04-05/los-angeles-economic-boom-outpaces-u-s-cities

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On 4/7/2019 at 5:12 PM, JesseSaenz said:

NOlympicsLA has been around for some time now, even when LA was still in the bidding process. They haven't gain much momentum, even now in 2019 long after the games were awarded.

The opposition that LA has is tiny compared to what Paris is now dealing with.

It’s only been 18 months since the 2028 Games have been awarded to L.A. so no, not “long after”, relatively speaking. Again, the 2028 Olympics are sooooo far away, that most people in L.A. I’m sure are clueless to it or either don’t care because they feel that it’s too far out to even care about ATM. Will there even be a world left by 2028 anyway, especially if King Cheetoh were to get re-elected (yikes)! 

What’s going on in Paris too is not necesarily against the Olympics, but mostly against the gov’t in general. Plus, most Europeans are more in tune with their domestic politics than the average American. All we mostly care about here are sport stats & how many likes one can get on their social media page. Let’s see if things are still so calm in L.A. come 2027, then a determination can be made if the people there are still totally okay with the Olympics horning in on their city.

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On 4/6/2019 at 2:44 AM, RuFF said:

Here is an article on the subject. Whether it’s a rea threat or not I don’t know, however:

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1077624/paris-councillor-calls-for-referendum-on-whether-to-cancel-2024-olympic-and-paralympic-games

I fail to see why you're all panicking.

The chances of this woman or her party ever being elected to the Paris town hall are zilch!  She belongs to a far left party called "La France Insoumise" (A Rebellious France) led by a fire breathing demagogue called Jean-Luc Mélenchon who still hasn't lived down the humiliation of having lost a presidential election he was probably the only one to think he could win!

This call for a referendum is some last ditch & desperate call for attention.

Nobody listens what she has to say and no one cares......

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They're not panicking. Some LA supporters, even though they've got their Games, haven't dropped the mindset that they're still in competition with Paris (you used to be like that with London Frenchy ;)).

I suspected what you said about this councillor was the case when I read the story, but thanks for clarifying. :)

Guess what? This is what you get in democracies! People who complain about autocracies taking over the Olympics can't then overreact when a democratic host has a bit of political dissent.

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8 hours ago, Frenchy said:

I fail to see why you're all panicking.

The chances of this woman or her party ever being elected to the Paris town hall are zilch!  She belongs to a far left party called "La France Insoumise" (A Rebellious France) led by a fire breathing demagogue called Jean-Luc Mélenchon who still hasn't lived down the humiliation of having lost a presidential election he was probably the only one to think he could win!

This call for a referendum is some last ditch & desperate call for attention.

Nobody listens what she has to say and no one cares......

He's not panicking.  He's trolling.  Poorly, at that.

And yes, thank you for providing some perspective as someone who doesn't think the Olympic world revolves around Los Angeles and that everything is about them.

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I didn't actually name you, but that's quite a reaction. Guilty conscious?

And since you bring up "immaturity" - most here think you're a horrible little cunt who who brings little to this forum aside from from casual homophobia.

Just to be clear where we all stand.

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Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47941794

Yeaaaaaah....that's going to be a LOT of money to be spent in the reconstruction. Will most likely lead to budget cuts to the Olympic project for sure.

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I doubt it'll have a knock on effect, France (and the world) will find the money for this regardless. My feeling seeing the pictures this morning - which don't look as bad as we thought last night - is the donations already pledged might well cover it.

What seems certain is we've got a segment of the opening ceremony sorted.

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18 hours ago, Ikarus360 said:

Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47941794

Yeaaaaaah....that's going to be a LOT of money to be spent in the reconstruction. Will most likely lead to budget cuts to the Olympic project for sure.

Nope, two of France's richest men (Pinault and Arnault) have pledged already like $330 million for ND's reconstruction).  That's way more than enough.   Maybe the newly reconstructed ND can also double as the Handball venue before it permanently becomes a house of worship again??  I guess they will have to rush its completion before 2024.  

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21 hours ago, Ikarus360 said:

Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47941794

Yeaaaaaah....that's going to be a LOT of money to be spent in the reconstruction. Will most likely lead to budget cuts to the Olympic project for sure.

Don't count on it.  As Rob and baron already noted, there will be more than a few very large donations that will cover it.  The French government will likely need to spend little to nothing of their own money, let alone that it would affect Olympic budgets.

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5 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said:

Nope, two of France's richest men (Pinault and Arnault) have pledged already like $330 million for ND's reconstruction).  That's way more than enough.   Maybe the newly reconstructed ND can also double as the Handball venue before it permanently becomes a house of worship again??  I guess they will have to rush its completion before 2024.  

Apart from of the less serious parts of your post, Macron has heard you: He wants to have everything rebuilt within five years.

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2 minutes ago, StefanMUC said:

Apart from of the less serious parts of your post, Macron has heard you: He wants to have everything rebuilt within five years.

I got Manny's number. ;)   We are on the same wavelength.  I think putting up a new roof WITH sprinklers I guess, should be easy enough to set up.  And they will have to find ingenious ways to hide little reservoirs/water tanks in the upper parts of the structure to hold reserve water.  And then they will have to water- and fireproof everything below that now.  NO MORE CANDLES in Notre Dame and ALL THE CHURCHES in Chirstendom.  

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I know people like the idea of rebuilding it exactly as it was, but given just how close a shave it was surely there's a case for rebuilding the hidden structural elements with less flammable, modern materials whilst still retaining the external aesthetics.

Is putting a huge stack of wood on top of it once again really the best idea?

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32 minutes ago, Rob. said:

I know people like the idea of rebuilding it exactly as it was, but given just how close a shave it was surely there's a case for rebuilding the hidden structural elements with less flammable, modern materials whilst still retaining the external aesthetics.

Is putting a huge stack of wood on top of it once again really the best idea?

I doubt they will just do it like it was before. Read today that in Cologne, the original wooden roof was replaced by an iron construction when the Cathedral was finally finished in the 19th century, which helped it to avoid even more destruction in WW2.

So there’s surely aesthetically good solutions which are fire-proof available.

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40 minutes ago, Rob. said:

I know people like the idea of rebuilding it exactly as it was, but given just how close a shave it was surely there's a case for rebuilding the hidden structural elements with less flammable, modern materials whilst still retaining the external aesthetics.

Is putting a huge stack of wood on top of it once again really the best idea?

I would think they would want to put some skylights (and sprinklers) in there and therefore make the famous Rose windows shine even more brilliantly whether viewed from the inside or out.    They should ask Dan Brown.  He might set his THE DA VINCI CODE 2 in the new Notre Dame. 

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1.  We now know that one Paris landmark will NOT host the 2024 Olympic flame, even for one night.  

2.  If breakdancing will be a regular Olympic sport for 2024, should Bell-ringing, open only to h___backs, be the new Paralympic event for 2024?   :wacko: 

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