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1 minute ago, baron-pierreIV said:

Do you REALLY have to re-post every pick-a-ninny utterance on anything Olympic?  STOP FLOODING these boards with inconsequential and EXTRANEOUS stuff.  As if Edwin Moses' opinion will make any difference?  :rolleyes:

Get on with your day and stop trying to control what other members post.

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1 hour ago, baron-pierreIV said:

Do you REALLY have to re-post every pick-a-ninny utterance on anything Olympic?  STOP FLOODING these boards with inconsequential and EXTRANEOUS stuff.  As if Edwin Moses' opinion will make any difference?  

Baron,  make your mind up.

Do you want Russia banned from Paris 2024, world sport, the IOC  …… or not ? 

You also started the thread called: 

“Time to kick muddah f———  Russia out once and for all”

Now when, Edwin Moses, an esteemed high profile sports leader and treasured USA and World Athletic icon calls for Russia to be banned from Paris 2024, you go on attack.

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22 hours ago, AliciasBlade said:

I’m pretty sure they’ll be revealed in late 2022 since the Milan-Cortina 2026 Mascots will be revealed in Spring of 2023.

Yes the Paris 2024 mascots should be unveiled by this fall.

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Paris 2024 expected to maintain plans for shooting and basketball venues (insidethegames.biz)

SO there's pushback against moving shooting to the National Centre for Sport Shooting in Chateauroux. I do wonder though as e costs climb for cleaning up the site in La Corneuve whether or not Paris will ultimately move the event especially given the fact they just said no to a temporary grandstand for sailing events in Marseille. A bit more puzzling is FIBA's opposition to the Porte de Versailles exhibition centre for basketball. Can't see any issues with that one.

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/\/\ That article is so FULL of contradictory facts that I came away from it more confused than ever.  Will they or won't they move those sports?  Will they or won't they clean up those sites?  Will FIBA OK the new Porte de Versailles location or won't they?  The Paris COJO seems more bananas than ever.  They're trying to have their gateau and eat it too!  As that FAKE French queen said: Let them eat Gateau!!  

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11 hours ago, stryker said:

Paris 2024 expected to maintain plans for shooting and basketball venues (insidethegames.biz)

SO there's pushback against moving shooting to the National Centre for Sport Shooting in Chateauroux. I do wonder though as e costs climb for cleaning up the site in La Corneuve whether or not Paris will ultimately move the event especially given the fact they just said no to a temporary grandstand for sailing events in Marseille. A bit more puzzling is FIBA's opposition to the Porte de Versailles exhibition centre for basketball. Can't see any issues with that one.

Probably no issues for the basketball venue.

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5 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

Yes, but not polling too well.

In times of crisis, voters tend to group around the incumbent. Then again, she didn't have a reasonable chance by running for the leftist PS in a race that's been expected to be decided between the centre-right and far-right from the beginning.

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1 hour ago, baron-pierreIV said:

I say the IOC / IPC should say nothing until the very last minute -- AND then ban the Russkies and the Belarusskies.  That hurts even more.  Just keep 'em guessing.  

I do advise Lausanne to act clearly and not let themselves drag into shenanigans of that sort. If it's clear in early 2024 that Russia does still not behave in a way that justifies a place among the civilized nations of this planet, they should speak out a clear ban several months before the opening ceremony. Going back and forth and then putting on a last-minute ban will likely just fuel a Russian narrative of "the West" mingling in the IOC's affairs and the ban being no more than an anti-Russian propaganda bit dictated by the hosts who they probably see as a puppet on a string directed by Washington, anyway.

Different outcomes might ask for different actions on the IOC's side, though. Say there will be a peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine that involves for example accepting Russia's annexation of Crimea, a status similar to Finland or Austria where they can join the EU but not NATO, and the "independence" of the separatist "people's republics" in the east - which, at this point, is pure speculation, of course. I don't see how Russia and Belarus could take part in Paris under that circumstance, nor do I see how this outcome would justify a never-ending ban. So, the best way to handle this IMHO would be a limited-time ban (maybe for a decade, perhaps just for 2024 and 2026) and strict guidance on how these countries would have to act in the future to enable them a return to the Olympic family after that time. And such a regulation would need to be made public as soon as possible after the hypothetical agreement is ratified.

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I can't figure out why some summer games go with the highrise format of a Tokyo or Rio, while Paris or Sydney in 2000 goes with a friendlier format. Personally, the 2000 games appeared to have the most human-scaled, accessible format.

Youtube videos can be adjusted to get captioning in English.

This was London 2012:

 

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1 hour ago, Olympics2028 said:

I can't figure out why some summer games go with the highrise format of a Tokyo or Rio, while Paris or Sydney in 2000 goes with a friendlier format. Personally, the 2000 games appeared to have the most human-scaled, accessible format.

It’s just totally dictated by what works best for the host - it’s just an aspect where local needs, resources and traditions take precedence over aesthetics. How much space they have for a major housing project in the environs of the Olympic facilities? What are the housing traditions in those nations/cities? Not every city, indeed not many cities, have a large enough area of vacant land ripe for redevelopment as a residential zone for a games. Apartment living is more common in many areas, particularly Europe and Asia, than others. The US has tended to utilise its tradition of college dorms, which is pretty unique to North America- most of the rest of the world does not have that tradition.

Funnily enough, this was a source of much friction here during what was then an LA vs Paris race for 2024. Some Angeleno posters painted LA’s dorm solution as the trump card, and attacked Paris’s residential village as an expensive waste and a flaw. They couldn’t seem to grasp that government-funded public housing projects are far more accepted, even expected, in countries outside the US, where it appears the notion is anathema.

Ultimately, Olympic Villages are usually one of the leas controversial acts of Olympic planning - it’s usually (outside the US at least) easy to sell the concept of a new residential project for post games use.

Conversely, it’s one of the major negatives against the concept of a permanent Olympic host site or small selection of permanent host cities - it’s just not economically viable to maintain a mini-city/suburb for 16,000+ athletes and support staff in pristine and vacant condition between games. Take Sydney, whose village you admire. It’s all an established and fully populated suburb now. If Sydney were to host again in the near future, it would need a whole new Olympic Village, and I’m not aware of any tracts of land in the immediate Olympic Park vicinity suitable for development. Plus, while Australian cities have long been closer to the US suburban sprawl concept where standalone housing is more common, in recent years population pressure is changing that and we’re starting to se a lot more medium to density residential projects - ie, apartment complexes - than in the past. If Sydney were to host again soon, it would probably have to use apartment towers.  

Similarly, Paris’ Cite du Cinema village was also only a one off thing. In the race for 2024, when the IOC was asking about its preparedness to wait out till 2028, Paris said it couldn’t be done because the Cite du Cinema couldn’t be maintained for village use beyond 2024 - the business plan that made it viable required it to convert to residential use immediately post-games.

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7 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said:

It's NOT her decision to make.

I say the IOC / IPC should say nothing until the very last minute -- AND then ban the Russkies and the Belarusskies.  That hurts even more.  Just keep 'em guessing.  

Whether it's her or whoever the president of France is they can make that decision without IOC approval. Do you really think the IOC would risk a PR disaster trying to take France to court over this? They'd have no shot at winning especially if the French frame it ad a national security issue. Easy fix. Just deny the Russians and Belarusians entry visas and keep airspace closed to flights from them 

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